Java Lilith's Throne [v0.4.11.3 Hotfix] [Innoxia]

[Scapdra1]

But she can learn how to.

You're assuming that she cares enough to learn.

 

[PussyPassAnon]

Then why does Inno persist other than money? Or is money their only concern now? If they don't like it, just abandon it and move on.

My guess is money. I strongly believe Innoxia lost their charitable motivations not too long after they went on a clap-back war against anonymous users from 8chan, calling everyone "niqqers" and deleting posts criticizing them. Innoxia has pretty much donned the stereotypical "I care about what you want" facade while simultaneously kicking us all in the nuts/ovaries at every turn. The naive folk buy into it and write off every clear instance of backhanding as something understandable, but I distinctly remember the venom. I can relate to it, because I've been in that position before. That doesn't just go away; the poison doesn't just vanish, so I think Innoxia holds a vendetta against the blog commenters (probably, the community as a whole) and just extracts what they can from it since lustful primal urge is the only thing people primarily operate on in these situations. Throw a bit of red meat every so often and the dough keeps rolling for months, even if they explicitly say to the audience to pause all donations until updates come. I honestly feel a bit sorry for them, if this is true.

Feels like this game is a one big fat memory leak.

Also, what are possible outcomes of the Helena dates? Does she always turn into a turboslut, or is it connected to a "break her" option?

I've gotten a version of Helena that becomes Lustful Maiden, who never loses her virginity and yet uses every other orifice for pleasure. I think she will always wear slutty clothing, but that's just her personality. She's pretty much one of those "

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" who just goes full throttle on the "Bitch" part when you introduce her to the pleasures of degeneracy.

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, there are 2 version on Scarlet, a shemale and a female. How do I get the female version? The current Scarlet I have is a shemale.

During your romancing of Helena, you can go on a lunch date with Scarlett. At some point during these dates, you will learn that Helena has been insistent on pacifying Scarlett's aggressiveness by transforming them into an actual female. Scarlett will ask you if you agree and if you say you do, Scarlett will drink the potion and transform into a female.

 

[throbzombie]

It doesn't matter how large the tiles are in terms of land area, what matters is how many there are and how many would therefore need to be populated with content for the area to not feel too sparse. Which is too many.

It's a Pepsi and Coke debate at this point.

No, it's not, it's the core of the argument. If you accept the existence of the Arcane and all the silly stuff it already does, then you have no basis for claiming that this or that would not be believable. All that needs to be done to make literally anything believable according to your existing standards is append "because the Arcane did it" at the end of the description of the offending element.

No, it's not the core of the issue. Your point is that the Arcane is overpowered, but that has nothing to do with whether it's plausible or consistent within the rules of the setting, WHICH ARE THAT THE ARCANE CAN DO ALMOST ANYTHING. It's magic, and it's not even especially OP magic, as far as fantasy properties go.

My. Point. Precisely.

What did you think my point was?

you cant be serious. its just bad storytelling having a single magic concept/device explain every single thing that doesnt comform to real life standards and hand wave it as "its magic bro" thats some harry potter level shit. i think what @SordidDreams was refering to was that its preferable for the issue of the size clothes not be adressed and having it as an acceptable break from reality for gameplay purposes and not have the player think about it rather than having a bad attempt at an in universe explanation and having the player rolling their eyes and going "yeah right"

I'm not arguing whether it's good storytelling; that has nothing to do with whether it violates the laws of the setting. The Arcane is an established part of the LT world, with its abilities and limits defined by the author. And it should explain every deviation from reality, considering that it's the sole cause of every deviation from reality, including the very existence of Lilith's realm.

 

[H3ntaiMaster69]

All I had to do was search the text and found the person responsible for it. I sincerely believe censoring the identity is pointless, here. But, if that is, somehow, what's driving all this post deletion (imagine being afraid of having your already anonymous identity shown around on a forum, on the internet, where anyone can just screenshot your name at any time), then I'll laugh at the absurdity of it.

I just don't want people to go and harass them or something

 

[PussyPassAnon]

I just don't want people to go and harass them or something

Understandable. If someone does decide to do that, just know they'll have no problem finding their target. I wouldn't blame you, regardless of what happens. You don't control what people decide to do.

 

[anon707]

You're assuming that she cares enough to learn.

maybe if she allowed for some help beyond adding races. the line of volunteer stretched out beyond the doors.

 

[SordidDreams]

It's a Pepsi and Coke debate at this point.

Not really. I said there are too many tiles in the overworld map for Inno to ever populate with content, to which you responded that each tile is 22 km sq in size. It's more like a Pepsi and gravel argument. What you're saying is not even remotely relevant to what I'm saying.

Your point is that the Arcane is overpowered

No, my point is that if you're okay with the fact that the Arcane can do anything, then you have no basis for finding anything unbelievable, because anything can be justified with a simple "the Arcane did it".

What did you think my point was?

That "stuffing a small area with content strains your suspension of disbelief". But at the same time, you think that the all-powerful Arcane is "a perfectly sensible explanation for any weirdness that goes on in the game". You have to choose one of the two, either there are things that strain your suspension of disbelief, or there's a perfectly sensible explanation for any weirdness. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

 

[Tempor]

by that logic, why attempt to explain anything or have any kind of world building whatsoever? if anyone ask anything about the world and its logic, just tell them "shut the FUCK up its a video game bro LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO"

when your worldbuilding consists of "oooh the Arcane" yeah ide rather some explanations or justifications of gameplay aspects be omitted and have acceptable breaks from reality because you know videogame instead of even bringing the attention of the player to them and explain them in a convoluted manner. most RPGs dont even bother with the issue of clothing fitting you, some games you can go around massacring women for their string bikini armour to put on your hulk warrior and it suddenly transforms to full plate. the point is its a non issue made worse. if you can explain it and make it look logical in universe sure go for it but having a single "one size fits all" explanation and call it world building its generous to just call it plain dumb

oh and almost forgot on my last post, i find the whole seasonal events while good are badly implemented just because you cant experience them all in a single save file. if you want to start with an import you are stuck at starting at your systems date. this wouldnt be a problem on a game that had content enough to span a whole years worth of in game time but right now its just badly though imo, but this is the possible the most minor thing affecting this game

 

[bobomb]

BTW guys. Memory use fix confirmed. When I used to let the game run forever it would just keep leaking. Since my last 2 gig use post this is what happened

 

[bobomb]

All this talk of Inno is in over her head I think is premature. Yeah this is her first project, but she has made real strides on the engine and IIRC she said she didn't want to do much content yet but had to raise funds to get the engine right. We'll see what happens going forward, but that's just my 2 cents. Anyway like I said it's worth my buck a month to see what happens and that's where I stand on this for what it's worth. I am reminded of something I recently saw on perverteer's discord.
Patience folks, it's a free game and someone's artistic vision (Although I do support your right to criticise the vision. I haven't done Nyan's further quest and will probably wait based on what I am hearing about it here till it gets an inevitable rework).

 

[Scapdra1]

BTW guys. Memory use fix confirmed. When I used to let the game run forever it would just keep leeking. Since my last 2 gig use post this is what happened View attachment 1051201

How nice of you not to explain how this fix is performed. FYI, if you have a solution to a problem people are having post the entire solution. If you don't, it makes you look extremely suspect.

 

[bobomb]

How nice of you not to explain how this fix is performed. FYI, if you have a solution to a problem people are having post the entire solution. If you don't, it makes you look extremely suspect.

Well aren't we snarky? I told you how it was performed. I waited and it released memory. Iam on windows 10 using the win64 executable packaged by whoever posted the 3.13 version of the game here (Might have been Inno's package. I find the exe has worked better for me in the past because the package uses the JAVA version that Inno is developing on.)

 

[anon707]

when your worldbuilding consists of "oooh the Arcane" yeah ide rather some explanations or justifications of gameplay aspects be omitted and have acceptable breaks from reality because you know videogame instead of even bringing the attention of the player to them and explain them in a convoluted manner. most RPGs dont even bother with the issue of clothing fitting you, some games you can go around massacring women for their string bikini armour to put on your hulk warrior and it suddenly transforms to full plate. the point is its a non issue made worse. if you can explain it and make it look logical in universe sure go for it but having a single "one size fits all" explanation and call it world building its generous to just call it plain dumb

okay, so you basically agreed with me. so when you're able to enchant clothing and amp it up to basically become nukes, thats fine. when the same magic is explained for why all clothes can fit all sizes, naw thats dumb! so again, no need for explaining anything, just say "its a vidya gam bruh".

 

[Scapdra1]

Well aren't we snarky? I told you how it was performed. I waited and it released memory.

That's my bad. But it is kinda hilarious that the solution to the memory leak is to stop playing the game and do something else while it runs in the background.

 

[anon707]

All this talk of Inno is in over her head I think is premature. Yeah this is her first project, but she has made real strides on the engine and IIRC she said she didn't want to do much content yet but had to raise funds to get the engine right. We'll see what happens going forward, but that's just my 2 cents. Anyway like I said it's worth my buck a month to see what happens and that's where I stand on this for what it's worth. I am reminded of something I recently saw on perverteer's discord.
View attachment 1051205 Patience folks, it's a free game and someone's artistic vision (Although I do support your right to criticise the vision. I haven't done Nyan's further quest and will probably wait based on what I am hearing about it here till it gets an inevitable rework).

when its been about 2 years of this and we're still having this conversation, i think comments about Inno being in over her head are completely justified.

 

[bobomb]

That's my bad. But it is kinda hilarious that the solution to the memory leak is to stop playing the game and do something else while it runs in the background.

I edited the previous post with the details of exact version and OS platform I am using as well as some other details that might be pertinent

 

[bobomb]

when its been about 2 years of this and we're still having this conversation, i think comments about Inno being in over her head are completely justified.

Took me 3 years 40 hours a week to get good at server administration, but I have seen others progress faster. Also in my experience artist types tend to be a little nutty and suffer for it in ways that impact their lives and productivity. Also I support your right to think what you want, but this complaint is not new or different in any interesting way IMO.

 

[PussyPassAnon]

in my experience artist types tend to be a little nutty and suffer for it in ways that impact their lives and productivity

Haha. I thought I was the only one who thought Innoxia was nuts.

Joking aside, I don't think "Artist" is something anyone would call Innoxia. I don't see Innoxia's vision. Innoxia doesn't see Innoxia's vision. Does Innoxia have a vision? What is it? Do you know? Does anyone know? I thought visions had focus? Does any of this development process look "focused" to you? Do I need to screenshot the meme, where a guy just lists all of Innoxia's update posts on the blog that all continuously say some form of "Whoops, another delay" and "0.4 will be released, this time, for sure, I swear, after this one teensy detour I decided to take on whim?"

 

[anon707]

Took me 3 years 40 hours a week to get good at server administration, but I have seen others progress faster. Also in my experience artist types tend to be a little nutty and suffer for it in ways that impact their lives and productivity. Also I support your right to think what you want, but this complaint is not new or different in any interesting way IMO.

were you promising results for 3 years straight while progressing at a snail's pace while asking for money?

 

[throbzombie]

Not really. I said there are too many tiles in the overworld map for Inno to ever populate with content, to which you responded that each tile is 22 km sq in size. It's more like a Pepsi and gravel argument. What you're saying is not even remotely relevant to what I'm saying.

It is a matter of personal preference; you think it's too big, but I don't. There's nothing either of us can do to convince the other because it just comes down to subjective personal opinion: a Pepsi and Coke argument.

No, my point is that if you're okay with the fact that the Arcane can do anything, then you have no basis for finding anything unbelievable, because anything can be justified with a simple "the Arcane did it".

Originally, I didn't say that I was okay with the Arcane being able to do anything. All I said was that it didn't break the rules of the setting, a completely neutral, factual statement that neither condemns not endorses the Arcane. But yeah, the thing that is 100% responsible for everything weird in the setting from the word "go" should satisfactorily explain everything weird in the setting. It's not an ex post facto explanation for stuff; it's the premise of the game. Lest we forget, Lilith used the Arcane to reshape reality, so the Arcane underpins everything, even it it turns out not to be the sole reason for weird stuff. Also, as a side note, having a one-size-fits-all justification for everything isn't bad on its own. If if makes sense, and doesn't leave any loose threads, then what's the problem?

That "stuffing a small area with content strains your suspension of disbelief". But at the same time, you think that the all-powerful Arcane is "a perfectly sensible explanation for any weirdness that goes on in the game". You have to choose one of the two, either there are things that strain your suspension of disbelief, or there's a perfectly sensible explanation for any weirdness. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

I'm not having my cake and eating it too. This is a fantasy world which deviates from reality quite a bit, but within certain boundaries. What happens in the world is judged within those boundaries. It should be safely assumed that people aging 18 years within a day is due to the Arcane, but if people generally need to survive in this world, as evidenced by the fact that eating and related processes are referenced extensively in the game, then encountering someone who's spent 100 years locked in a cave without food should need to be explained. Because it violates the previously observed rule, that is, that everyone needs sustenance to survive, it requires further explanation.

Anyway, it's almost 8 and I still haven't eaten. Why don't we wrap things up here?