Java Lilith's Throne [v0.4.11.3 Hotfix] [Innoxia]

[ThisSiteisFullOfFascists]

[Lots of stuff about no bad ends because some people dislike them]

A solution for people that don't like bad ends has existed nearly forever. Save the game and load when you lose.

Pretty sure games are for entertainment first and foremost

You can boil down the basically formula for a "game" as a set of challenges you give to the player to overcome that makes the player's brain release the good brain chemicals.

The problem is that if there is no challenge, the brain doesn't give you the good brain chemicals. This becomes boring. Story can salvage a boring game because the player will want to at least give it one run through for the story content, but after that single run through you have nothing because you don't have a game that actually achieves its goal of being an enjoyable game. You have something people played for the story content only and not the game.

You need a fun gameplay loop that provides varied challenges due to overlapping mechanics generating unexpected results forcing the player into *meaningful* decisions to produce this.

That's why people keep saying it's not a game, it's a VN with a map. The game is missing.

 

[aspar4gus]

You can boil down the basically formula for a "game" as a set of challenges you give to the player to overcome that makes the player's brain release the good brain chemicals.

I love to have challenges on my normal games, but if my porn games dare to ruin my power fantasy and blueballs me by being incessantly hard i'd just stop playing and seek other venue

 

[ModraHD]

You can boil down the basically formula for a "game" as a set of challenges you give to the player to overcome that makes the player's brain release the good brain chemicals.

The problem is that if there is no challenge, the brain doesn't give you the good brain chemicals. *Snip*

Yeah, no, that's your definition you're trying to enforce, somewhat similar to when I said games are entertainment. We can take a philosophical step back and say ”games is a art” for a more correct definition everyone is unsatisfied with for its blanketing vagueness, but if you can't acknowledge other viewpoints and motivations we should stop here. (And I'm sick of new garbage gameplay hoops to jump through that get added to porn games and called an update)

Walking simulators exist, and are widely accepted as games due to their interactive nature (and so are VNs), yet often feature no challenge beyond locating the next door. That doesn't invalidate their existence as a game. (See The Stanley Parable for a game in this category that does a lot right) Similarly, textbooks are still books. (Are pamphlets books? What about flyers? Newspapers?) As for one and done games not being games, that's like 80% of them JFC dude not everything needs to be an optimized skinner box designed to suck out your life.

A game doesn't need anything. It's a medium with blurry lines at the edges because words are an arbitrary invention. Now if you'll excuse me, I'm late for a wank.

 

[ModraHD]

If Fortnite is a game where you struggle to be the last one left, does that mean ERP is a game you win if the other people leave?

On an unrelated (but more on topic) note, are there spawn conditions for the Rental Mommy, did that character get the axe, or am I just unlucky with a new character in 0.4.1? I tried digging through the source code but that proved to be too apocryphal for me.

 

[NoStepOnSnek]

On an unrelated (but more on topic) note, are there spawn conditions for the Rental Mommy, did that character get the axe, or am I just unlucky with a new character in 0.4.1? I tried digging through the source code but that proved to be too apocryphal for me.

Rental Mommy only shows up for mother's week (2nd May week).

 

[anon707]

A solution for people that don't like bad ends has existed nearly forever. Save the game and load when you lose.

It wasnt so much about people not liking bad ends (I've never even heard of complaints of bad ends till that post), its simply that it was a flimsy excuse not to do them anymore Inno and tossing the baby out with the bath water by not replacing bad ends with anything substantial.... or anything at all really.

I get that game features get cut in game development sometimes, but when they do and they're not sufficiently covered, you can feel missing void that the former feature left. If you ever wondered why you can just get your ass beat over and over again by bosses and nothing changes, now you know why.

 

[Deleted member 949415]

I made a list of the perks that the guests can receive from the various jobs. Made it primarily for myself because of my poor memory but I decided to share it with you all. Past 5am mind you...

Bartender - +15% Lust damage, +2 Lust shielding
Bouncer - +15% Unarmed damage, +15% Physical damage, +25 Health
Beautician - +15% Lust damage, +2 Lust shielding
Stripper - None
Massage therapist - None
Waitress - None
Construction worker - +5 Physique, +15 Health
Librarian - None
Writer - None
Maid - None
Receptionist - None
Business Woman - +5 Physique
Shop assistant - None
Nurse - None
Chef - None
Model - None

 

[cannon9009]

Since compiling removes comments, I'd have to compile the thing myself with the relevant lines uncommented and I'm not that interested.
That said, considering the entire

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is still in the latest preview on git, the only thing missing is, in fact, that commented out debug trigger, so getting that back in should do the trick and work just fine.

I'm surprised the character author was fine with just basically keeping the character in but locking it behind a door and swallowing the key. I mean, wouldn't people eventually figure out how to patch the character back in...?

 

[NODOGAN]

Ooooh, fetish prefference option? bruh FINALLY going to that waterhole to search for a partner is gonna be worth it! (can't remember how many times i reset a random partner there because their fetish completely turn me off lol)

 

[mysteryaccountname]

I'm not sure if I broke the game, it's bugged naturally, I'm just stupid, or all three, but it seems like no matter what I do my slaves won't get pregnant. I've given them enchanted clothing, pills, and tattoos that supposedly boost fertility but nothing seems to work. I know my character isn't sterile as I've impregnated non-slave characters.

 

[ModraHD]

I'm not sure if I broke the game, it's bugged naturally, I'm just stupid, or all three, but it seems like no matter what I do my slaves won't get pregnant. I've given them enchanted clothing, pills, and tattoos that supposedly boost fertility but nothing seems to work. I know my character isn't sterile as I've impregnated non-slave characters.

My only suggestion is to check your stats in your phone, and perks. Infertility perks are damn strong.

 

[NoStepOnSnek]

I'm not sure if I broke the game, it's bugged naturally, I'm just stupid, or all three, but it seems like no matter what I do my slaves won't get pregnant. I've given them enchanted clothing, pills, and tattoos that supposedly boost fertility but nothing seems to work. I know my character isn't sterile as I've impregnated non-slave characters.

Have you checked if your slaves are fertile too?

 

[LutholianDev]

I am also experiencing slaves being unable to be impregnated. So far my lesser alligator, fox, and vargr are all incapable of being impregnated. These slaves were all bought from markets. In my testing so far, my captured pair of demon slaves don't appear to have the same problem.

Right now my guess is its somehow related to the change about market slave generation that were in the patch notes. Will capture a non-demon slave and test to see if they are free of it for further confirmation.

 

[LutholianDev]

Captured a fox girl, was able to impregnate. Purchased a new cat girl, was not able to impregnate.

The message given is the same as the very low fertility "you know its not happening" line. Something probably got broke with generated market slave's fertility.

 

[RickJencans]

Holy shit an actual story update! This game's updates are usually a source of sadness and amusement for me, but at least this one had some minor progress along the main story.

 

[ModraHD]

I am also experiencing slaves being unable to be impregnated. So far my lesser alligator, fox, and vargr are all incapable of being impregnated. These slaves were all bought from markets. In my testing so far, my captured pair of demon slaves don't appear to have the same problem.

Right now my guess is its somehow related to the change about market slave generation that were in the patch notes. Will capture a non-demon slave and test to see if they are free of it for further confirmation.

Can confirm market generation is straight up fucked. Look at their fetishes, they only get shop specific ones. Steering clear of 0.4.1.5, as the fetish weight menu also doesn't work at the night club.

 

[Gierka]

I'm surprised the character author was fine with just basically keeping the character in but locking it behind a door and swallowing the key. I mean, wouldn't people eventually figure out how to patch the character back in...?

The author probably asked to leave the files in, because they still want to use their OC/self-insert while playing. Most people that complained wanted either the character to be gone or be allowed to get the... full course, so to say, i.e. in the current state you'd have to mod the character anyway, so perhaps that's why there was no interest.

 

[anubis1970]

Can confirm market generation is straight up fucked. Look at their fetishes, they only get shop specific ones. Steering clear of 0.4.1.5, as the fetish weight menu also doesn't work at the night club.

Surprise, surprise. An interim build with major bugs. This is why I stick to the hot-fixes of the major public builds.

 

[Szarala]

so.. tried this out for the first time last night and there was a lot of things I liked about it, but.. being level 5 and losing to a rando lv 2 ratboy in two turns due to overwhelming physical damage taken.. despite me fully blocking on turn 2.. -really- soured me on the whole thing.. well, that after getting destroyed by Brax and losing all my money in an encounter I couldn't back out of and had no idea would even happen in the first place (but at the time had just chalked up to something that was storyline intentional)

 

[tehlemon]

so.. tried this out for the first time last night and there was a lot of things I liked about it, but.. being level 5 and losing to a rando lv 2 ratboy in two turns due to overwhelming physical damage taken.. despite me fully blocking on turn 2.. -really- soured me on the whole thing.. well, that after getting destroyed by Brax and losing all my money in an encounter I couldn't back out of and had no idea would even happen in the first place (but at the time had just chalked up to something that was storyline intentional)

Yeah, the combat is kind of shit. Like, the entirety of it is just horribly designed. I'd recommend just ignoring combat entirely until you figure out how to make money. And once you have a good source of money, you'll have absolutely no problem breaking the game's progression completely asunder and combat will no longer matter lol