Java Lilith's Throne [v0.4.11.3 Hotfix] [Innoxia]

[PussyPassAnon]

Don't be so butthurt over a little truth pal.

... Something tells me that you know you're full of crap and you're deliberately saying over-the-top positive things about Innoxia just to get a rise out of people who know better.

That's the generous take, mind you. The alternative is that you're genuinely this clueless and are indeed a naive child. Let up on the gas, son. Praise the game all you like, but don't act like this bare-bones, placeholder-filled, 20% finished game didn't take 5+ years of Patreon bux and a plethora of excuses. The "customization" you speak of is barely fleshed out beyond copy-pasted descriptors. Next paragraph assumes that we go the "clueless" route:

Savin is making more progress on CoC2 than Innoxia is on LT. Savin began CoC2 in 2018 and is at 0.4.12 last I checked. Innoxia began LT in 2016. Innoxia has been in the 0.3 - 0.4 range for the last two or more years. Do your research first, before sucking up to people you don't know very well. If you want to try the "Solo Dev" route, let me simply direct you to Breeders of the Nephilim: that guy is also a "Solo Dev" and still is accomplishing much more progress on his graphic intensive game than Innoxia is on a text game; same for many other "Solo Devs" I'm watching who are doing both graphics and text at bare minimum.

I don't care to argue with you after this post, so say whatever you want and enjoy your last word against me. You'll probably still think you're right, like all the rest before you.

 

[♍VoidTraveler]

Anyways. Any1 could tell me how effective lust damage is in this game?
Are there skills/spells you could learn that deal lust damage?
I can't seem to decide what i should focus on, spell or lust damage.
Maybe some combo of the two is possible, haven't dug deep into the combat system yet, but it does look like doing some combos may be possible.

 

[SordidDreams]

Anyways. Any1 could tell me how effective lust damage is in this game?
Are there skills/spells you could learn that deal lust damage?
I can't seem to decide what i should focus on, spell or lust damage.
Maybe some combo of the two is possible, haven't dug deep into the combat system yet, but it does look like doing some combos may be possible.

Lust spells and weapons do exist, yes, and lust damage can be very powerful, although it can't one-shot everything like damage types focusing on directly damaging health can. If you want to be a lust spellcaster, enchant your items for both spell damage and lust damage. Damage buffs come in two categories, damage type and damage source, and they can be applies in many combinations (e.g. lust spells, fire spells, fire ranged, physical ranged, physical melee, etc.).

 

[♍VoidTraveler]

Lust spells and weapons do exist, yes, and lust damage can be very powerful, although it can't one-shot everything like damage types focusing on directly damaging health can. If you want to be a lust spellcaster, enchant your items for both spell damage and lust damage. Damage buffs come in two categories, damage type and damage source, and they can be applies in many combinations (e.g. lust spells, fire spells, fire ranged, physical ranged, physical melee, etc.).

Yeah that sounds right.
I had a couple fights already and noticed that trying to damage something with teasing is less effective than casting spells like fireball. HmHmm~ I like doing big, wrecking numbers of damage, so perhaps going pure spell damage is a win for me then.
Thanks for the tip. ^^)

 

[tehlemon]

I am very confused lol

I'm guessing the problem is with this site and not the game? If so, try hitting CTRL+F5 and see what happens, I guess lol

I'd need more info on what the problem is

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lmao

Tried only a tiny amount of this game so far but i can already tell that it's far better than that coc2 trash.
Dev, you rock. Keep rocking.
This thing is definitely on it's way to outdo both coc1 and tits combined, the amount of customization is mind-blowing.
You really get what made coc1 awesome unlike coc2 devs. ^^)

Fen should have given coc2 to this guy instead of that moron Savin.

You... must be new here...

This game isn't on its way to do anything. This game's development is so incredibly slow that they're going to have completely rebuilt TiTS from the ground up faster than this game manages to have a single system reworked lol

We get the equivalent of their monthly update approximately every six months.

This game might outdo either of those, but only because this game will still be working on getting to version 0.5.0 around the time CoC3 is half way done. Maybe by then we'll have computers powerful enough to compensate for the fact that we've gotten basically zero meaningful performance improvements aside from the couple contributors added for stuff like saving. It's been three years, and one of the memory leaks hasn't been fixed lol

And good god, just wait until you get to Nyan's reworked quest. You'll suddenly kill to have a writer as good as Observer working on LT lol

If you're going to throw that much shade, read the room first. Or at least play enough of the game you're making the comparison with to realize the huge, gaping flaws that even long term dedicated fans can't ignore.

Yeah that sounds right.
I had a couple fights already and noticed that trying to damage something with teasing is less effective than casting spells like fireball. HmHmm~ I like doing big, wrecking numbers of damage, so perhaps going pure spell damage is a win for me then.
Thanks for the tip. ^^)

Lust is basically only useful for the very earliest of levels, and specifically, only really when an arcane storm is happening. Otherwise you're going to need to do some heavy compensation to make up for the fact that it does a fraction of the effective damage as any other choice. At the very least, you better be ready to maintain a flash rotation so you don't just get gibbed lol

 

[SordidDreams]

Yeah that sounds right.
I had a couple fights already and noticed that trying to damage something with teasing is less effective than casting spells like fireball. HmHmm~ I like doing big, wrecking numbers of damage, so perhaps going pure spell damage is a win for me then.
Thanks for the tip. ^^)

Yeah, Tease is basically only useful for defeating the first handful of enemies during the arcane storm that is present at the start of them game (which causes enemies to start with their lust meters almost full, so you just need a few Tease attacks to defeat them). The problem with Tease is that its base damage is very low and only the damage type buff can be applied to it; since it's neither a spell nor a weapon, it's missing out on half of the buffs the other combat options can take advantage of. That said, those other options can one-shot common enemies and two-shot demons, so lust is still a completely viable option.

Regardless of which route you go, you do want both a damage source and a damage type enchantment. Your fireballs would benefit from both +spell damage (because they're spells) and +fire damage (because they deal fire damage). Applying both is more effective than just focusing on one.

 

[♍VoidTraveler]

This game isn't on its way to do anything. This game's development is so incredibly slow that they're going to have completely rebuilt TiTS from the ground up faster than this game manages to have a single system reworked lol

Yeah i'm new and yeah i began to suspect that something was up after being attacked over so little.
But then again, tits has an entire team by now not just one dude.
So of course they're going to be faster.

We get the equivalent of their monthly update approximately every six months.

Ouch, that's a bit of a shame, i love all this motherload of customization in this game.
But well, we also have real life yeah? Can't be sitting making games all day? Soo~
Maybe something is going on in RL for this dev? Maybe? Perhaps? Just sayin'?

This game might outdo either of those, but only because this game will still be working on getting to everyone 0.5.0 around the time CoC3 is half way done. Maybe by then we'll have computers powerful enough to compensate for the fact that we've gotten basically zero meaningful performance improvements aside from the couple contributors added for stuff like saving. It's been three years, and one of the memory leaks hasn't been fixed lol

HumHum~ I see, well... what can you do?
At least you had it in you to explain in a non-edgelordly manner, i like you.

And good god, just wait until you get to Nyan's reworked quest. You'll suddenly kill to have a writer as good as Observer working on LT lol

God please no, i'm sick and tired from all the 200.000 word essays that dude writes.

If you're going to throw that much shade, read the room first. Or at least play enough of the game you're making the comparison with to realize the huge, gaping flaws that even long term dedicated fans can't ignore.

It's still better than coc2, flaws or not.
I had fun in this game immediately. In comparison, i never had any fun in coc2, ever.

 

[tehlemon]

Ouch, that's a bit of a shame, i love all this motherload of customization in this game.
But well, we also have real life yeah? Can't be sitting making games all day? Soo~
Maybe something is going on in RL for this dev? Maybe? Perhaps? Just sayin'?

This is the devs full time job. They're making more money off this game than most.

But there is *always* something going on. They're either sick. Or maybe they're stressed about being behind schedule and need a month off. Or they're sick of working. Or maybe they're stressed about being behind schedule, so they're just going to cut all the content promised for a version, and just release that major version change as a cash grab while disable all public comments on the dev blog...

God please no, i'm sick and tired from all the 200.000 word essays that dude writes.

How about 200,000 word, badly written essays? Because I chose my comparison carefully.

 

[♍VoidTraveler]

Regardless of which route you go, you do want both a damage source and a damage type enchantment. Your fireballs would benefit from both +spell damage (because they're spells) and +fire damage (because they deal fire damage). Applying both is more effective than just focusing on one.

I see, this is a very useful tip.
I know some games split damage like this so knowing this is cool.

 

[♍VoidTraveler]

This is the devs full time job. They're making more money off this game than most.

Really?
Well, that is even bigger shame then.
So you're saying he's just milking?

But there is *always* something going on. They're either sick. Or maybe they're stressed about being behind schedule and need a month off. Or they're sick of working. Or maybe they're stressed about being behind schedule, so they're just going to cut all the content promised for a version, and just release that major version change as a cash grab while disable all public comments on the dev blog...

Damn...
Now i get why i was so quickly attacked lol hahahaha!
So, despite all this, people continue to pay him?

How about 200,000 word, badly written essays? Because I chose my comparison carefully.

You mean, i should expect 200k badly written essays in this game?

 

[tehlemon]

Really?
Well, that is even bigger shame then.
So you're saying he's just milking?


Damn...
Now i get why i was so quickly attacked lol hahahaha!
So, despite all this, people continue to pay him?


You mean, i should expect 200k badly written essays in this game?

The v0.4.0 was definitely a cash grab, yes.

And people definitely continue to pay her. She saw a big pay bump with the v0.4.0 release because it was so long anticipated, despite having cut literally *all* of the promised content for the version. We're only now getting some of it. Maybe in another couple versions we'll have the rest.

And yeah, Nyan's romance quest, which is a major feature/update for the game, is... bad. Like, really uniquely bad. Like, bad fanfiction levels of bad.

 

[Sarkath]

Yeah i'm new and yeah i began to suspect that something was up after being attacked over so little.

I think it was more that you came into this thread swinging at other devs. I respect that CoC2/TiTS aren't your thing, but that opening rant was a bit much, to be honest.

Really?
Well, that is even bigger shame then.
So you're saying he's just milking?

There are definitely issues with LT's design and how it's being developed. For example, a big part of the reason for the big 0.4.0 mess is because she spent a ton of time improving the engine rather than producing new content. That wouldn't be an issue, as the work definitely needed done, but the problem is that she kept making promises that she couldn't keep, and the delays piled up. I think 0.4.0 was delayed by something like 9 months.

Additionally, sometimes she'll deviate from established plans and implement things like, um…armpit sex. Yes, that's a thing that happened.

I don't really think she's out to scam anyone, and I believe that she means well (I mean, armpit sex is a really niche community request, but she did fulfill it ), but she definitely need to work on her communication and time management (say, setting aside X hours per week for tangential projects and/or engine work and padding out time estimates somewhat).

 

[♍VoidTraveler]

but that opening rant was a bit much, to be honest.

Don't see how but fuck it, i don't really care anymore.
Creating some drama fest here wasn't in my to do list.

kept making promises that she couldn't keep

Inexperience?

I think 0.4.0 was delayed by something like 9 months.

Well... err.. she? (It's a she? keep refering to the dev as he p_P") clearly could use some helpers.
Tried hiring some?

armpit sex

I think this one had been a thing in Japan lately. Weird stuff but some people are into it apparently lol.
Well, naturally. People are all perverts.

(say, setting aside X hours per week for tangential projects and/or engine work and padding out time estimates somewhat).

And hiring some extra hands maybe.
I could see potential radiating from this game the second i launched it, this game could definitely show it to both coc and tits.
I hope everything will work out for this dev.

 

[Porn Pleb]

is anyone having trouble starting combat encounters? whenever i try to fight the two slimes in the slime queens area the game just freezes. not like a crash because i can still go to the menu and reload.

 

[Dr.Feelgood]

And hiring some extra hands maybe.
I could see potential radiating from this game the second i launched it, this game could definitely show it to both coc and tits.
I hope everything will work out for this dev.

Might be misremembering this bit or just missed an update in a recent post, but despite AT LEAST 50% of the most additions to the game in the past several months, if not a whole year now, have came from the community and modders. The dev is vehemently against releasing any of their control (and most likely, profits) by working together with anyone.

Call me cynical or edgy all you like for saying this, but Innoxia had earned a reputation for this kind of stuff. Until they actually DO SOMETHING, because words and empty promises don't mean shit these days, to add some depth to the game instead of making the ankle deep experience any wider then I think its safe to say nothing meaningful will happen in the near future. I mean just look at some of the other single dev games on this site if you think I am being too harsh? Delays happen, but enough to persist throughout an entire year? That ain't a delay, whatever it is.

Have new fetishes and morph types been added? Yes. Has a new area been added? A proof of concept filled with placeholders has been, at the very least. Have the core systems that the dev has been promising to implement, fix, or otherwise do more than mention receive much attention? Nope. To make matters even worse, I'm fairly sure the modders on the game's discord have added more official content to the game in the past year or two than the dev has personally designed. The patch notes certainly imply this to be the case...

 

[Sarkath]

Inexperience?

I think so, yeah. I kinda get the impression that this is Inno's first major project.

That being said, the design is (as you can imagine) incredibly ambitious. I was kind of surprised at how much specific detail is tracked and saved for each character. It's mostly that the code that links it together is kind of rough, and the overall design is all over the place. LT seems modular enough to me that it looks like everything could be rewritten and fixed piecemeal, but it'll definitely take some effort.

Well... err.. she? (It's a she? keep refering to the dev as he p_P") clearly could use some helpers.
Tried hiring some?

As far as I know, Inno is a she. I haven't interacted with them directly.

She does accept public code contributions, which definitely helps. A while back I started working on some performance upgrades that looked pretty promising, but I kinda got sidetracked.

I don't believe she pays for any contributions, but I'm not sure she actually makes enough to at the moment. Developers are pretty expensive.

Well, naturally. People are all perverts.

I wouldn't have it any other way.

I could see potential radiating from this game the second i launched it, this game could definitely show it to both coc and tits.
I hope everything will work out for this dev.

Yep! Despite appearance, I don't think any of us here actually hate the game. It's more that we're bummed about the current circumstances.

The fact that fields content is being worked on is definitely a step in the right direction. Hopefully Inno keeps up that momentum.

 

[Carl0sDanger]

Anyways. Any1 could tell me how effective lust damage is in this game?
Are there skills/spells you could learn that deal lust damage?
I can't seem to decide what i should focus on, spell or lust damage.
Maybe some combo of the two is possible, haven't dug deep into the combat system yet, but it does look like doing some combos may be possible.

If you want a Lust Damage build, the general consensus seems to be that a magic-focused MC is the way to do it.

For starters, the damage from the Tease attacks is woeful. Pretty much the only time you'll probably use it is if you go wandering Dominion on your first night before the Arcane Storm ends. It just doesn't keep pace as you level up.

Not only do Arcane Strike and the spells from the Arcane school do more damage, but (last I checked, anyway) bonuses to Lust Damage and Spell Damage stack.

The bad news is that it takes two rounds minimum to take out any opponent with an Aura strong enough to cast spells using Lust Damage (you'll have to max out their Lust, at which point your Lust Damage will damage their Health and Aura next round), which includes all Demons. The only fight in the whole game where your ability to take opponents out quickly might possibly be an issue is against Demons.

That said, combat's easy as fuck in this game (the best combat tip is literally to just spam the basic weapon attack), so it's not like you have any real need to min-max the MC.

 

[Sphere42]

That said, combat's easy as fuck in this game (the best combat tip is literally to just spam the basic weapon attack), so it's not like you have any real need to min-max the MC.

While basic attack spam is the most efficient way to make it through combat there is another noteworthy approach with a different intent: Witch's Seal. With the Musician background and casting the seal on turn 1 as your only action it lasts 4 turns, way more than you need to regain all aura via Arcane Strike leaving you free to heal up, apply other effects and chain stun forever. Specifically you can fully strip people with Vacuum to grab extra gear from encounters you can't just loot normally afterwards. Arcane Strike also farms essences with the Sadist fetish in case the ability to buy those ever gets nerfed.

IIRC you also need to beat opponents via lust to have immediate "consensual" sex and stunlocking is the best option for anyone you can't facetank indefinitely. Especially demons who always take at least two rounds to defeat via lust as already mentioned.

 

[throbzombie]

I don't really think she's out to scam anyone

Maybe not initially, but come on now. Inno would have to be completely oblivious not to know what she's doing.

 

[tehlemon]

Maybe not initially, but come on now. Inno would have to be completely oblivious not to know what she's doing.

There's literally zero way that anyone could argue that the v0.4.0 release *wasn't* a cash grab to try and boost popularity.

Like, even in the internal notes it wasn't called v0.4.0 but another v0.3.x patch.

It might not have been a cash grab before, but it definitely is now.