Java Lilith's Throne [v0.4.11.3 Hotfix] [Innoxia]

[IvoryOwl]

The lore of the game states only criminals can be enslaved, so in a sense, this is their penance. The issue is that a lot resort to criminal activity and prostitution because the economy is in shambles, meaning for some the choice was brought up from desperation rather than the desire to be a criminal. This, however, can be beneficial to the PC because it means we won't have any trouble finding someone to enslave. If everyone was a goody shoes, we wouldn't slave content. The beauty of it lies in that you can be as kind or as ruthless as you desire.

Don't want to be a douche? Then don't. You're basically giving them a job, a roof over their head, a few meals a day and company versus living in the streets or struggling with the rent, never knowing what the next day will bring. In a sense, they become more like indentured servants than slaves. Don't care about ethics and morals in a videogame? Go for it and put them 24/7 in a room just for profit. It's a text game, half the context comes from your imagination.

 

[SheepPun]

Every randomized npc is a mugger, a prostitute, a cop or a club goer. OFC the economy is in shambles.
The rest might as well be cardboard cut outs.

 

[Zorlond]

Actually, I think the economy is in shambles because most of the population is DTF with literally anybody they bump into, 24/7. You don't get a lot of real work done if you're constantly taking 'breaks', not to mention the potential for workplace accidents, people getting the crap beat out of them because someone 'can't feel it' unless someone is in pain, and the drainage...

Oh yes, the drainage. You know what you get when people are especially squirty when having sex and they're having it multiple times a day? Fluids all over the floor. That stuff has to go somewhere, or it's a slipping hazard. So everywhere has to factor in fluid drainage, with drains, pipes, flow valves, and vermin traps for -every- floor in the building. And it's gotta be maintained, or it's gonna back up. And the people maintaining it are likely just as horny as everyone else.

And then everything gets dialed up to 11 when an arcane storm breaks out.

This is why you sometimes see 'world orgy' crop up sometimes in porn as an apocalypse scenario. Because everything just comes to a screaming halt when nobody can keep it in their pants.

 

[throbzombie]

Actually, I think the economy is in shambles because most of the population is DTF with literally anybody they bump into, 24/7. You don't get a lot of real work done if you're constantly taking 'breaks', not to mention the potential for workplace accidents, people getting the crap beat out of them because someone 'can't feel it' unless someone is in pain, and the drainage...

Oh yes, the drainage. You know what you get when people are especially squirty when having sex and they're having it multiple times a day? Fluids all over the floor. That stuff has to go somewhere, or it's a slipping hazard. So everywhere has to factor in fluid drainage, with drains, pipes, flow valves, and vermin traps for -every- floor in the building. And it's gotta be maintained, or it's gonna back up. And the people maintaining it are likely just as horny as everyone else.

And then everything gets dialed up to 11 when an arcane storm breaks out.

This is why you sometimes see 'world orgy' crop up sometimes in porn as an apocalypse scenario. Because everything just comes to a screaming halt when nobody can keep it in their pants.

Reality has no place in porn. That's rule #1.

 

[Zorlond]

Quick question: Can the lag that builds up from having large numbers of offspring be counter-acted by removing the offspring? IE, using the offspring map, beating them up, then chasing them off. Makes me feel like an ass, but I don't want my computer to blow up.

 

[NoStepOnSnek]

Actually, I think the economy is in shambles because most of the population is DTF with literally anybody they bump into, 24/7. You don't get a lot of real work done if you're constantly taking 'breaks', not to mention the potential for workplace accidents, people getting the crap beat out of them because someone 'can't feel it' unless someone is in pain, and the drainage...

Oh yes, the drainage. You know what you get when people are especially squirty when having sex and they're having it multiple times a day? Fluids all over the floor. That stuff has to go somewhere, or it's a slipping hazard. So everywhere has to factor in fluid drainage, with drains, pipes, flow valves, and vermin traps for -every- floor in the building. And it's gotta be maintained, or it's gonna back up. And the people maintaining it are likely just as horny as everyone else.

And then everything gets dialed up to 11 when an arcane storm breaks out.

This is why you sometimes see 'world orgy' crop up sometimes in porn as an apocalypse scenario. Because everything just comes to a screaming halt when nobody can keep it in their pants.

The population at large isn't actually terminally horny, save for the imps and whoever decides to go/gets caught out in a storm. Certainly not prude by any stretch but as with other things, the kinds of people we personally interact with and the effect of our special protagonist aura heavily colours perception.

 

[anubis1970]

Quick question: Can the lag that builds up from having large numbers of offspring be counter-acted by removing the offspring? IE, using the offspring map, beating them up, then chasing them off. Makes me feel like an ass, but I don't want my computer to blow up.

I don't know about chasing them off; I usually beat them up, enchant a piece of their clothing to enslave them, then sell them in Scarlet's shop. I know that keeps the population under control.

 

[StapleComm]

Reality has no place in porn. That's rule #1.

To be fair I wish that wasn't the case, my brain just breaks every time when I play some VN, and then it stops making sense because of porn

 

[Sarkath]

Quick question: Can the lag that builds up from having large numbers of offspring be counter-acted by removing the offspring? IE, using the offspring map, beating them up, then chasing them off. Makes me feel like an ass, but I don't want my computer to blow up.

Yep. As long as they're removed from your save file that should help. The lag comes from the game updating buff/debuff statuses on every NPC in the entire world every single turn.

If you're feeling adventurous, you can even edit your save file in a text or XML editor and directly remove the NPC tags. While that method is a lot faster, that can also cause your saves to become corrupted if you do something wrong. Be sure to make a backup if you attempt this!

 

[tehlemon]

The lore of the game states only criminals can be enslaved, so in a sense, this is their penance. The issue is that a lot resort to criminal activity and prostitution because the economy is in shambles, meaning for some the choice was brought up from desperation rather than the desire to be a criminal. This, however, can be beneficial to the PC because it means we won't have any trouble finding someone to enslave. If everyone was a goody shoes, we wouldn't slave content. The beauty of it lies in that you can be as kind or as ruthless as you desire.

Don't want to be a douche? Then don't. You're basically giving them a job, a roof over their head, a few meals a day and company versus living in the streets or struggling with the rent, never knowing what the next day will bring. In a sense, they become more like indentured servants than slaves. Don't care about ethics and morals in a videogame? Go for it and put them 24/7 in a room just for profit. It's a text game, half the context comes from your imagination.

What if instead, of all that, I just enjoy thinking about this stuff?

Don't get me wrong, I play a lot of slave managing porn games. It's just an interesting to think about how something like the potions in the game would fit into the real world scheme of ethics. Like, it gets pretty fucky fast.

Still gonna bang a house full of fox girls until we've overpopulated the world to a corrupting apocalypse. Game corrupting, not mechanically corrupting lol

Quick question: Can the lag that builds up from having large numbers of offspring be counter-acted by removing the offspring? IE, using the offspring map, beating them up, then chasing them off. Makes me feel like an ass, but I don't want my computer to blow up.

Depending on how many you have, it could just be easier to go delete them from your save file lol

 

[Tattletale21]

What if instead, of all that, I just enjoy thinking about this stuff?

Don't get me wrong, I play a lot of slave managing porn games. It's just an interesting to think about how something like the potions in the game would fit into the real world scheme of ethics. Like, it gets pretty fucky fast.

Still gonna bang a house full of fox girls until we've overpopulated the world to a corrupting apocalypse. Game corrupting, not mechanically corrupting lol



Depending on how many you have, it could just be easier to go delete them from your save file lol

you mentioned you've played some slave management games, and i've played a good few as well, but i was wondering if you had any suggestions that are more like this game specifically? or if not like this then better? off the top of my head a few slave management games i've played - and still play because they're actually pretty fun - are SlaveMaker, Strive For Power, Free Cities, and if i'm bored i'll play SlaveMatrix. any other suggestions?

 

[Tattletale21]

1. The companion system was initially modder content that she integrated into the game.
2. She canned it because it was causing issues moving forward (too many variables to consider when adding new sexable characters). Basically, updates would be even slower and with more delays than the present circumstances.

In other words, not happening. The best she will do is temporary companions now, when they get added.
IMO she made a mistake leaving that chunk of the code behind. Were it up to me I would have wiped that entire section instead of turning into a goddamn toggeable, because that means some people are going to enable it and then cry when the game breaks left and right (on top of everything else).

if i recall correctly, the romance side-quest for Helena - the Swan Harpy lady part of Scarlett's quest - requires you to hand over Scarlett after you've enslaved her and, to do that, you need her in your party. unless there's some convolutedly simple way i just ignored or something, i'm pretty sure that the companion system is required for that. i'm unsure about other quests though - mostly because i dont remember most of the early quests all that well.

 

[BBGunna]

Okay, as someone who really, really hates GRRM, that's not fair to him at all. At least he managed to get someone else to turn his work into a good show for three seasons. That's something. And his writing might be shit, but its at least publishable shit lol

Agreed, the comparison was more meant to display how neither is ever going to finish the large project they set out to do and at this point have clearly lost passion for the very thing that brought them so much money and attention. At this point both should just be upfront about the fact they clearly have no desire to finish said projects, but neither will cause money/ego.
All in all I'd put my money on sooner seeing a published version of Winds of Winter before we ever get a complete/stable version of LT.

 

[BBGunna]

you know, i scroll through this thread and see nothing but dislike and steadily growing hatred for the devs, and i understand a lot of it but brushed it aside because i understand burning out of a game development project and leaving it alone with tiny incremental updates to keep people interested.

i understand the hatred. i understand the dev.

and then i saw what the game was doing to my fucking memory like what the fuck-

i did a level 3 video game design and technology course in college and moved on to an additional three years in university, and i've seen it all. and i mean, i have seen some shit.

i have never, in literally all my 23 years of existence, seen such a travesty of coding and mismanagement of resources. i took one look at the code and my fucking eyes bled, my brain began leaking, my fucking ears ruptured. it was like staring into the sun and the sun directly staring back, daring you to look away. but you cant, because if you do you'll miss the sun suddenly getting just that little bit bigger, and then bam you're fucked up the arse with over 50GB of memory just gone, eradicated, reduced to atoms-

my everything hurts, and now i need to lie dow. rock on with the hate-party boys, rock on.

This is the thing that really irks me about Inno, I'm far from a programmer I did a course or two in College years ago and pretty much only know very basic stuff as a hobby. But fuck for this much time and money I feel like if you're still this bad at coding you either have zero talent or just aren't trying to improve, might be a bit of both in this case seeing how much spaghetti code is here.

It's sad because there is a really good game in here, so much potential being wasted on a person who clearly can't ever deliver. I get why people still pay money, lots of people have convinced themselves that with enough time and money that Inno will deliver the awesome version of the game this deserves to be, unfortunately I just don't think that game will very come from Inno, fan projects and mods may be the only hope. Would love to be proven wrong though...

 

[tehlemon]

you mentioned you've played some slave management games, and i've played a good few as well, but i was wondering if you had any suggestions that are more like this game specifically? or if not like this then better? off the top of my head a few slave management games i've played - and still play because they're actually pretty fun - are SlaveMaker, Strive For Power, Free Cities, and if i'm bored i'll play SlaveMatrix. any other suggestions?

I'm going to be honest, I don't have any other suggestions that are similar to this one. I'm actually playing the strive for power conquest patch right now lol

 

[CaptainBipto]

if i recall correctly, the romance side-quest for Helena - the Swan Harpy lady part of Scarlett's quest - requires you to hand over Scarlett after you've enslaved her and, to do that, you need her in your party. unless there's some convolutedly simple way i just ignored or something, i'm pretty sure that the companion system is required for that. i'm unsure about other quests though - mostly because i dont remember most of the early quests all that well.

It used to be that you had to add Scarlet into your party and walk over to Helena's store, but that part of the romance quest with Helena was changed. I can't remember when it changed, but now when you interact with Scarlet there is just a button that magically teleports you and Scarlet to her store in the slave alley.

 

[Sarkath]

if i recall correctly, the romance side-quest for Helena - the Swan Harpy lady part of Scarlett's quest - requires you to hand over Scarlett after you've enslaved her and, to do that, you need her in your party. unless there's some convolutedly simple way i just ignored or something, i'm pretty sure that the companion system is required for that.

That's correct. Elementals use the same basic system.

I think IvoryOwl is referring to the option in the menu that allows you to bring arbitrary companions with you, as well as the companion-specific dialogue littered in the game (such as bringing slave Brax with you when you talk to Sean in Slaver's Alley). That sort of thing tends to give people false hope.

This is the thing that really irks me about Inno, I'm far from a programmer I did a course or two in College years ago and pretty much only know very basic stuff as a hobby. But fuck for this much time and money I feel like if you're still this bad at coding you either have zero talent or just aren't trying to improve, might be a bit of both in this case seeing how much spaghetti code is here.

Inno has actually improved pretty drastically since the project started. The problem is that 1) many of those old systems haven't received the touchups that they need and 2) knowing how to program doesn't mean that you have the ability to properly organize and plan ahead (that's what separates a junior programmer from a senior programmer or software engineer). Inno is a better world builder than a software engineer and there's strong hints of that all throughout the code.

The former is something that can be improved with drastic refactors, but the latter is something that needs to be built up through collaboration and failure. If LT is Inno's first project—and I suspect it is—she's skipping a lot of steps that programmers generally take. I was a decent enough programmer in my teens, but I had to code myself into a corner many times before I learned how to actually design software.

In fairness, she's far from alone in this. It's much easier to get into programming and game development these days, and the multitude of fly-by-night Patreon projects are a side-effect of this very issue. It's easy to plot pixels to a screen, but it's hard to make a well-structured, maintainable program. A lot of people seem to like to shit on engines like Ren'Py and Twine, but despite their shortcomings they largely allow artists to just be artists. Without tools like those you'd have more cases like this, where artists have to figure out how to make a game engine before they can create their art.

I really don't think Inno is lying when she says she's experiencing burnout. The problem I have is that she's producing very little and earning an increasing amount of money. I would be shitcanned in a second if my productivity at work were anything like this, but as we see time and time again fanboyism and the sunk cost fallacy love to rear their ugly heads when scheduled donations are involved.

 

[themaxdiecool]

I was able to replicate this on my Mac. Turns out the Oracle JRE 8 installer only installs the browser plugin, so it will never be used when you try to launch it via Finder (or even through the command line without some finagling). Instead, it would try to use the OpenJDK 14 install that comes with macOS, which doesn't have JavaFX support built in (neither does your installed copy of JDK 12—Oracle removed JavaFX from JDK 11 in favor of OpenJFX, which is a separate SDK).

One approach I was able to use to get working was to use the Terminal to force it to launch using the JRE embedded in the browser plugin:

/Library/Internet\ Plug-Ins/JavaAppletPlugin.plugin/Contents/Home/bin/java -jar LilithsThrone_0_4.jar

It's definitely a bit unwieldy. :/ If you aren't comfortable with using a shell, I attached a script that will do this for you. Just unzip it and move it into the same directory as the JAR file. Running the script (you should be able to just run it from Finder) will launch the game using Oracle JRE 8.

Thank u very much, for Mac problem, this is the solution.

 

[Tattletale21]

so i just gave a look through the linked wiki this game has - that it has a wiki at all is something i've actively ignored up to now - and i understand it's a wiki updated as the game is developed, therefore it takes time to actually be updated...but the lack of content on the wiki genuinely astounds me. the wiki looks like it hasn't been updated since the 'Submission' area was added. and that was fucking ages ago. i'd do it myself but i have neither the inclination to do it nor the, to be frank, impartiality required for accurate additions to the wiki to be added.

something that isn't talked about, i imagine, and something i doubt will receive any updates even after bringing it up, but i just felt the need to talk about it.

 

[Sarkath]

so i just gave a look through the linked wiki this game has - that it has a wiki at all is something i've actively ignored up to now - and i understand it's a wiki updated as the game is developed, therefore it takes time to actually be updated...but the lack of content on the wiki genuinely astounds me.

Yeah, the same thing happened with the Flexible Survival wiki. I think in both cases the wikis are largely community-operated, and I imagine people generally just lose interest after a while. "Smutty game wiki editor" is like a niche within a niche, lol.