Java Lilith's Throne [v0.4.11.3 Hotfix] [Innoxia]

[Dr.Feelgood]

Y'all'd be in for quite the surprise if you ever actually asked Inno to describe her own code, but do go on, this imaginary version of her is quite entertaining

I mean, we would if we wouldn't instantly get kicked for trying to discuss the subject from her discord/hug box in a way that might potentially lead to some sort of progress. Given how not 100% encouraging Inno in her every endeavor or month long break is enough to earn a swift boot...

 

[Quintilus]

If you're aiming it at that sort of audience, targeting .NET wouldn't be a bad idea. That should allow it to slot into Unity pretty much effortlessly, and I believe there are .NET connectors for Unreal as well. That would also allow it to work with the Mono version of Godot.

Cross-platform desktop support has also been improving drastically in .NET as well, which certainly helps. With the upcoming AvaloniaUI 0.11 offering WPF-style rich text spans, it would be possible to create an LT-like game that wouldn't have to lean on embedded web views.

Debatable.
C++ now have compiler options to let it be translated to pretty much any platform/language in native code.
But yes, on C# its easier, since there are no segmentation fault, in generic case, even if it will be a little bit slower than C++ variant.

"thats just a text game, performance is not important here", yeee yeeee, I know...ooopppsie, my LT crashed due to stack overflow caused by childrens count.

 

[Simp Cattu]

I mean, we would if we wouldn't instantly get kicked for trying to discuss the subject from her discord/hug box in a way that might potentially lead to some sort of progress. Given how not 100% encouraging Inno in her every endeavor or month long break is enough to earn a swift boot...

When I was still in that hell hole, I once asked "Where is the update post?" since she promised earlier that she'd make one by that date, which was already delayed several times. She replied with a crying face, and people started bombarding me with "oh another white name" (means I'm not a supporter) and "she has enough problems" etc. I just noped out of there because nothing good can come out of those pampering white knight behavior. That was years ago and I can't imagine how much it has gone downhill from there.

 

[Sarkath]

Debatable.
C++ now have compiler options to let it be translated to pretty much any platform/language in native code.
But yes, on C# its easier, since there are no segmentation fault, in generic case, even if it will be a little bit slower than C++ variant.

Having a library like this in native code introduces a bunch of complications. Namely, the fact that it'll have to be built for every platform. At the very least: one x64 DLL for Windows, ELF for Linux/x64 and Linux/arm64, and Mach-O for macOS/x64 and macOS/arm64. Add in a few more if you want to support 32-bit systems. Cross-compiling is possible, sure, but at some point it'll need to be tested by someone who uses the target platform.

On the other hand, if you create a .NET class library or a Java package, it's one assembly for all platforms. If the code is reasonably well-written, the performance hit will be imperceivable, especially when you consider that C/C++ interop adds extra overhead when used with managed languages (especially if complex types are used). That's the main reason I suggested going that route (that, and the fact that distributing natives can be kind of annoying if you're using a managed language).

Really, though, after some thought I'm not sure how helpful something like this would be considering how many of games seem to use either use Ren'Py or some sort of HTML/JS-based engine (helloooooo Twine!). If they write it in Python as they originally mentioned, at least the folks making Ren'Py games might be able to use it.

 

[agrozombie]

ok i found 2 or 3 major problems id like to address 1 weird crash issue if the game runs too long 2 if not crash it does not save 3 the lag holy crap. i sware i can run subnatica on this pc with verry little lag but this no those are my issues
8 gb ram amd ryzen 9 processor 8 core are my specs video card 2gb ddr4

 

[Paril]

Just in general I wouldn't rely on the wiki too much anymore, if you look at "recent changes" it's gotten pretty dead and stuff like the Races page hasn't been touched in forever. Anything on there is likely to be multiple years out of date, for the parts of LT that have changed at all since then at least.

I can tell, but it's not like there's much of choice is there?

On another note, does anyone know that's the requirement to unlock sex actions for nipple penetrations? It's already enabled in the content option, but I just can't find how to do it

Edit: Nvm, I just figured it out right as I typed that in

 

[Quintilus]

If the code is reasonably well-written

Remind me, why are we discussing what would be the best way of rewriting LT???

 

[Quintilus]

I can tell, but it's not like there's much of choice is there?

On another note, does anyone know that's the requirement to unlock sex actions for nipple penetrations? It's already enabled in the content option, but I just can't find how to do it

Fuckable nipples.

 

[Paril]

Fuckable nipples.
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Oh, thanks! I thought I already figured that out... When I read nipple-cunts, I imagined something else

 

[GoldenFlower]

Sad that the bad end update to Themiscyra didn't make it in. It shoulda gone way worse for meraxis

 

[Fizel]

Fuckable nipples.
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You *also* need to be at least a certain cup size, D IIRC. Maybe C. But anything smaller then that is a no-go even with the nipple-cunts.

 

[Icarus Media]

Nipple Cunts!!!!

Sorry but when am I ever going to be able to say that in any other conversation in any other time?

 

[tehlemon]

ok i found 2 or 3 major problems id like to address 1 weird crash issue if the game runs too long 2 if not crash it does not save 3 the lag holy crap. i sware i can run subnatica on this pc with verry little lag but this no those are my issues
8 gb ram amd ryzen 9 processor 8 core are my specs video card 2gb ddr4

So, we can't help you. Sorry.

The game performance is just bad. It abuses the fuck out of memory, and the only thing you can really do is try to limit the number of NPCs that exist in the world.

For specific bugs, I'd report them on discord. The dev won't admit that she rage follows this thread (aside from the times when she accidentally lets it slip)

 

[tehlemon]

Or contact me and I'll explain how you can run the UI on a separate thread from the game logic to hide the fact that your game stalls so long that Windows thinks it crashed anytime you try and skip time on decently populated save.

Not that you'd need to do something like that if your game didn't borderline crash anytime you skip time. It won't help, but at least you won't see "Not responding!" and the screen turning grey each time you skip a day.

Edit: Also, I'm being heavily sarcastic when I say "decently populated save." Even in my drunken prototyping I've been doing lately I'm dealing with thousands of NPCs across a dozen maps with a few million map cells. Imagine making a game as simple as this and having your system stall to unreasonable levels with only a few hundred NPCs... I'd have to drink even more than normal.

 

[Quintilus]

Or contact me and I'll explain how you can run the UI on a separate thread from the game logic to hide the fact that your game stalls so long that Windows thinks it crashed anytime you try and skip time on decently populated save.

Not that you'd need to do something like that if your game didn't borderline crash anytime you skip time. It won't help, but at least you won't see "Not responding!" and the screen turning grey each time you skip a day.

Wont help, at least much.
From quick, diagonal glance on a code it looks like most of stalling happens due to overcomplicated calculations aka "who shit when under which bushes, while walking three meters to the nearby shop for 17 hours". It all should be reduced in size/complexion/quantity, or calculate it all in steps, aka process npcs with id % 13 == 1 on the next player turn, than npcs with id % 13 == 2 and so on. There are wouldnt be a big difference anyway, since its a turn based game.

 

[jfmherokiller]

Wont help, at least much.
From quick, diagonal glance on a code it looks like most of stalling happens due to overcomplicated calculations aka "who shit when under which bushes, while walking three meters to the nearby shop for 17 hours". It all should be reduced in size/complexion/quantity, or calculate it all in steps, aka process npcs with id % 13 == 1 on the next player turn, than npcs with id % 13 == 2 and so on. There are wouldnt be a big difference anyway, since its a turn based game.

would converting parts of it to some jvm side language make a diffrence? something like kotlin?

 

[tehlemon]

Wont help, at least much.
From quick, diagonal glance on a code it looks like most of stalling happens due to overcomplicated calculations aka "who shit when under which bushes, while walking three meters to the nearby shop for 17 hours". It all should be reduced in size/complexion/quantity, or calculate it all in steps, aka process npcs with id % 13 == 1 on the next player turn, than npcs with id % 13 == 2 and so on. There are wouldnt be a big difference anyway, since its a turn based game.

Oh it's not supposed to *help*

It just hides the problem by keeping the UI active while the game shits the bed so Windows doesn't think the program hung. But it won't do anything to prevent the hanging.

I'm not willing to put in any effort to fix this game unless I'm getting paid for it.

 

[Sarkath]

would converting parts of it to some jvm side language make a diffrence? something like kotlin?

The only reason that might help is that you're going through the code and rewriting it, presumably making some better decisions along the way.

The issue was never the language. The issue is what's being done with it.

 

[BobCarter]

Having a library like this in native code introduces a bunch of complications. Namely, the fact that it'll have to be built for every platform. At the very least: one x64 DLL for Windows, ELF for Linux/x64 and Linux/arm64, and Mach-O for macOS/x64 and macOS/arm64. Add in a few more if you want to support 32-bit systems. Cross-compiling is possible, sure, but at some point it'll need to be tested by someone who uses the target platform.

Linux can emulate windows for programs now, fairly sure this would work for that. Not sure about Mac, but Mac's always gotten the short end of the stick.

 

[Sarkath]

Linux can emulate windows for programs now, fairly sure this would work for that. Not sure about Mac, but Mac's always gotten the short end of the stick.

Yep. Things can get a little dicey when you're using bytecode languages, but I think wine-mono would probably do the trick if you're using, say, a native Windows DLL with a .NET app.

Intel Macs support Wine about as well as Linux boxes in my experience. Apparently some madlads even managed to get it working with Rosetta 2 (the x64 to ARM binary translation layer, if you aren't familiar with it), so even the new ARM Macs can get in on the fun.