Java Lilith's Throne [v0.4.9.9] [Innoxia]

[Carl0sDanger]

It is a testament to just how flexible this game is anyway that someone would even try this.

BTW, you can penetrate various orifices with a tail. Does that count?

 

[Amarok909]

It is a testament to just how flexible this game is anyway that someone would even try this.

BTW, you can penetrate various orifices with a tail. Does that count?

Yup, tail penetration is a thing, though only certain tails can do it. Cat, alligator and demonic are the only ones I can think of off the top of my head. Possibly rats?

 

[doomdoging1]

i like to see if your have a submissive bend...and a slave who more dominate the slave taking advanage of it and role reversing you.... i know there one scene where your slave rapes you but its only one scene with no lasting effect

 

[congamensch]

i like to see if your have a submissive bend...and a slave who more dominate the slave taking advanage of it and role reversing you.... i know there one scene where your slave rapes you but its only one scene with no lasting effect

Can't you already do this? Just pick submissive sex with a slave when you interact with them and you're good to go.

 

[doomdoging1]

Can't you already do this? Just pick submissive sex with a slave when you interact with them and you're good to go.

thats just play dom/sub not real sub/dom

 

[MagnaSonic3000]

Yup, tail penetration is a thing, though only certain tails can do it. Cat, alligator and demonic are the only ones I can think of off the top of my head. Possibly rats?

Youko can do it too because they have magical tails.

Also, you can't transform anything away that might be carrying a baby.

 

[congamensch]

thats just play dom/sub not real sub/dom

So random occasions where the slave takes control, then? I can see the charm if you're into that sort of thing, but I can see it being annoying if player agency is taken from them at random intervals, or even only during sexual interactions. Too much chance of the RNG doing something that the player might not be into, I'd think.

Or have I screwed up and misread your post again?

 

[SordidDreams]

Yeah, seems to me LT is a power fantasy kind of game. If you want to be sexually assaulted on a regular basis, play Degrees of Lewdity instead.

 

[doomdoging1]

So random occasions where the slave takes control, then? I can see the charm if you're into that sort of thing, but I can see it being annoying if player agency is taken from them at random intervals, or even only during sexual interactions. Too much chance of the RNG doing something that the player might not be into, I'd think.

Or have I screwed up and misread your post again?

it be a progress over time the player would have the option to crack down on the slave before the slave really starts to take control if there not into it

Yeah, seems to me LT is a power fantasy kind of game. If you want to be sexually assaulted on a regular basis, play Degrees of Lewdity instead.

its about role reversal and for that to work the player need to be in power to start with

 

[pesinafe]

it be a progress over time the player would have the option to crack down on the slave before the slave really starts to take control if there not into it

There's unfortunately nothing like that in the game yet. The closest I can think of is using the permissions tab to allow a slaves to initiate dominant sex with the player whenever they want, and then just roleplaying and using your imagination to make your own storylines. I recall hearing about plans to let players become slaves themselves, but it'll probably be a long way off and probably restricted to a side quest/storyline. Not a whole rebellious slaves gameplay mechanic. There are probably lore reasons why that won't happen either I guess.

 

[joeys88]

The only real role reversal thing I can think of is when the sub has pregnancy fetish and forces a creampie regardless of what you want.

 

[Carl0sDanger]

A couple options for subby stuff might be a "playroom" in the mansion (or other base) where the player can install a slave (with the appropriate fetishes) as master/mistress. A number of unique scenes could be triggered according to how the room is set up. Another might be options for the MC to meet a Dom at the Watering Hole (or maybe a specialist kink club).

HTiH handles it thusly: there is a main storyline where the MC ends up working as a kind of sexual secret agent. But the player can meet one of four possible Doms at the local club (two male, two female; two "gentle"; two "rough") and start submitting to them. It's entirely possible to treat the Dom completely as a side romance, but two of the Dom have options to decide to come and live with them with a further option for a "bad" end ("bad" in the sense that the main storyline is abandoned) where the MC decides to submit 24/7 and give up their freedom entirely. So maybe something like that?

An option like this is of course dependent upon having a main quest to deviate from in the first place. So Inno might will almost certainly be better served working on that first. And there's always the possibility of a "bad end" to the main quest itself where the MC is permanently stuck in a sex dungeon.

But the problem more generally is quite similar to the difficulty of making a good horror RPG. RPGs are about empowerment: players make meaningful decisions that have actual consequences and the particular combination of choices made result in a unique story emerging from the gameplay. This is precisely why people are so dissatisfied with the main story ATM: it has the potential for this, but so far doesn't deliver much. The Enforcer content at least promises some persistent consequences for the player's choices.

Submission, like horror, RPGs are about player helplessness which is really difficult to pull of without the player feeling railroaded.

 

[MagnaSonic3000]

There is no bad ends, Inno already stated bad ends are not even a concern because they're not planned to be in the game. Bad things can happen, but nothing that lasts forever.

 

[chemicalvamp]

I think people are missing the point, I mean yes your right im complaining about furries in a furry game. But I'm looking for the files to modify and as i said it would be better yet to instead of rewrite the ones here, to make some new ones. And if i wrote a mod that added any single lifeform it would be a demon in the theme of succubus and imps. But it appears to me some of the stuff i need to screw with is hardcoded? Im not sure. And if the author thinks any content i put in the mod is worth adding to the base game, very welcome to.

 

[Carl0sDanger]

There is no bad ends, Inno already stated bad ends are not even a concern because they're not planned to be in the game. Bad things can happen, but nothing that lasts forever.

Once she's got to the end of the main quest, something's gotta happen to the MC if the player loses the final boss fight. If not something that lasts forever, then perhaps some period of imprisonment before being rescued by your allies. It's already stated that Lilith plans to extract the power the MC holds by any means necessary. While I can't claim to know Inno's mind on the subject, I suspect these means would involve the MC being fucked rather a lot in extremely kinky ways. After reviewing the game carefully, I think I may have noticed subtle themes on that score.



Which actually reminds me of something. Doesn't Lilith have a corrupted Angel working as her torturer/jailer? Could be a way to put some hardcore S&M into the game.

 

[MagnaSonic3000]

I wouldn't bet on it. It took Inno a very long time just to slap a person around that you were fucking, and Inno said anything too hard on the S&M front is a hard no, she won't budge on that. I don't know how much violence is her limit, but the meaner acts (every action in red) were only recently added after so much time had passed.

As for the final boss, who knows. Something tells me if something bad happens to you, Inno would have added something that basically let you retreat or just avoid what ever fate you would have had. I'm actually betting by that point either you can freely warp out of there (you did get the warping spell at some point), or Arthur's experiments can now just rip you out of there for a momentary retreat. It seems a bit intrusive if you can just bail on the final boss like that, but there hasn't been a boss fight yet that's really put you in a bind.

 

[Carl0sDanger]

Not talking about breaching the scat/gore/etc. prohibitions. Probably shouldn't have said "hardcore" (that's a pretty deep well to dive down). Something about the level of Natalya's filly training or Amber's bitch training. MC gets captured, pumped full of fetish transformations, mind broken and fucked six ways from Sunday. Maybe even level drained. Allies break them out later and they have to recuperate before they can have another crack at Lilith.

 

[NoStepOnSnek]

I think people are missing the point, I mean yes your right im complaining about furries in a furry game. But I'm looking for the files to modify and as i said it would be better yet to instead of rewrite the ones here, to make some new ones. And if i wrote a mod that added any single lifeform it would be a demon in the theme of succubus and imps. But it appears to me some of the stuff i need to screw with is hardcoded? Im not sure. And if the author thinks any content i put in the mod is worth adding to the base game, very welcome to.

Races are spread across more than 60 individual java files, that's why everyone (including Inno) is waiting for the modding framework before adding new ones.

 

[UndeadEve]

Races are spread across more than 60 individual java files, that's why everyone (including Inno) is waiting for the modding framework before adding new ones.

I have no knowledge of how to make a game, but you make it sound like it's a real mess.
Is it ?

 

[NoStepOnSnek]

I have no knowledge of how to make a game, but you make it sound like it's a real mess.
Is it ?

It's a bit of a mess but mostly just an inconvenient structure for long term/large number of races.