Wait, these are demo versions? I've been using the one I got from patreon. I've never downloaded from here.
I see where the confusion is coming from, that's the $5 version that's being updated an whatnot, the deluxe version is the same version, just with extra bells and whistles. The free version (demo) is available through Aura-Dev's Itch, and I would assume has less content and is either not under active development, or is just further behind the $5 version and the Deluxe version you linked to here.
Easy to get confused when it isn't being made clear that there's a difference between the free demo (which I don't even see advertised or linked on the Patreon, but I didn't look very hard) and the $5 standard version. Basically what Aura-Dev is doing here is they made the post public so that everyone can see what was added, but the actual links are Patreon tier locked, so you can see what's been added, get interested, and get a subscription if you decide you want one.
Edit: I said it was an older post, it's from literally yesterday. Don't know how I fucked that one up.
Second edit: I should probably not have said the demo isn't being updated, as I actually have no idea. I haven't had the chance to play it yet, and I don't have a subscription to compare the versions. I re-read my response and realized I said things that had no basis in reality, and were just things I assumed then put to pen. That was dumb. It happens. Oops.
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I love it when ppl wasting time of fighting reality with empty words instead of using it for own good.the ungraspable iceberg of `LPoD` versions:
1. Demo. Free. Time limit.
2. Patreron. Paid. No time limit.
3. Patreon Deluxe. Extra paid. No time limit. Built-in cheats (possibly smth else).
1. Demo. Free. Time limit.
2. Patreron. Paid. No time limit.
3. Patreon Deluxe. Extra paid. No time limit. Built-in cheats (possibly smth else).
Other than the snark, this is genuinely quite helpful. Clear, concise, and to the point. Actually genuinely thanks for the very simple explanation. It's not like it's an "ungraspable iceberg", it's that it's not immediately clear that there's a demo version for free on itch from a quick glance, thus leading to confusion when people bring up a third version you had no idea bout. This comment helps clear thing up significantly.
The demo is a time-limited version: you can only play up to a fixed maximum number of in-game days, then you reach a hard end, but your save is valid if you then upgrade to the Patreon version, which has no in-game time limit
Sorry but I can't help it when I genuinely tell ppl how things are at the moment and getting and hour long lecture on the problems of game demo semantics in modern multi-platform gaming world as response.
That's pretty wild how people who never payed for patreon version know everything about it while
itch version kindly provided by the dev they play all the way. They are both in the same section...and both clickable...and there's all the info you asking about. And there is a magic changelog file in game folder that hints that demo receives content updates. And aura-dev responded in this thread regarding the versions.
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It is okay. I paid for the deluxe version before. I really remember the dev said onIy the deluxe didn't have the time limit. I never tried the non-deluxe version on Patreon before so I thought it was the same one on itch. It does have itch links. Maybe I was mistaken too.
If the ass just explained it instead of being an ass then this would have been cleared up already. Thanks for trying to clarify this.
First, and most important, I readily and fully admit I was speaking on topics I have no real knowledge of as far as the different versions of the game. It was colossally stupid of me to make empirical statements about the content of each version, and I have absolutely no idea what the fuck I was thinking. Absolutely dumb as bricks, I fully admit that.
Second, I was just trying to make the point that getting all bent out of shape over somebody calling all three available versions "demos" was unwarranted, since the distinction is largely pointless unless specifically talking about one version vs another.
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Third, I rarely check a dev's Itch page if they have a Patreon, I check the Patreon under the assumption that they'll have all the important links there excluding any content that's not Patreon-friendly. I imagine most people would just check one site, usually the first one linked, assume it has all the important stuff there is, and move on.
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Either way, starting to get off topic, so I'm going to leave you to it. I hope I have adequately explained my point, if not that's unfortunate. Main points are just that A) I'm an idiot. B) You don't need to be a dick for no reason/very minor reasons. and C) Not everybody checks every link, and not everything is immediately easy to find on Patreon, if it's even there.
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In terms of the parallel being drawn between prerelease and demo, although this is *technically* a valid point, it misses a very important distinction, I feel: the prerelease isn't a *demo* so much as us allowing players access to the most recent build of the game as it's actively being developed. The demo is "here's a slice of what you'll experience in the full game!" whereas the prerelease is "this is literally as much game as there currently is to play".
The deluxe version isn't the "standard version" of the game right? If so, there's a non-demo, non-deluxe version that I think people are more interested in
Yes, I fully agree. That's literally something I said earlier. I was specifically saying that for this game, at this specific point in time, there is no meaningful difference besides the free demo having a time limit. I have absolutely no issues with drawing the distinction, and when you've got versions that vary wildly in content it's a worthwhile distinction to make, but the guy I was responding to got really heated over somebody calling the prerelease versions "demos" when the only current difference is apparently the time limit.
I will reiterate that I have not had the chance to play through it yet, I have been told there are no content differences, and the demo is also active development, but I could be wrong. Either way my main point is that it sounds like getting hung up on the distinction between demo and prerelease at this point in development seems largely pointless, and it was initially in response to Uncommonsence getting weirdly heated over a guy who didn't know there was even a demo on Itch calling the $5 and $10 versions demos. I have no issue with the distinction or the terminology or anything of the sort, just the way that one guy got bent out of shape over it.
Tl;dr, I agree with what you say here, I just don't think this:
Is a reasonable response to someone calling them demos, and tried to explain why the distinction isn't that important for this game yet.
I hope this gets the attempted point across so I can stop going off on explanatory tangents and clogging the thread. I apologize for the confusion and clogging the thread with unnecessary rambling and arguments. Game looks fantastic and I look forward to eventually getting the chance to play it, but I'm going to stop arguing over "demos vs prereleases" and "not overreacting to people using words that could be more accurate". I said my piece (some of it very stupidly), and I'll leave it be.
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The contract system really suffers from Edgar just being terrible, his stats are bad, he has no abilities, and you can't directly build him like Rean so he rapidly falls off a cliff as you start infusing. He has a huge amount of defence but because he lacks defensive stance he can't tank, he has pierce but his damage is lower than Rean 5 levels below him so it ends up doing little to no damage even with advantage, he's a spellsword with 0 spells which means he can't trigger the weaknesses of literally any enemy in the game, guy just needs a full on overhaul so that building Edgar via contracts is actually somewhat viable. As of now he is so worthless that the optimal way to play is just to straight up ignore him and waste every afternoon infusing or learning spells (game really either needs more time slots or mourning needs to let you do things during it other than just work for Edgar).
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Weird right? It is almost like Edgar is there to fuck with Liora instead of being helpful.
To be fair, if Edgar gets his hands on a material like Resilient Bone, he will pretty much immediately infuse it, gaining HP and DEF. The issue is that he normally doesn't get those kinds of materials.
Also, I don't think this is in the game yet, but I would be surprised if he didn't at some point learn Defensive Stance, you know, once he has enough HP to do it in one go.
the big selling point of the contract system is that while you can’t directly control Edgar he is significantly more powerful than the other two party members, the problem is that just isn’t true after like first 10-15 days of the game once the characters start gaining levels you quickly realize his base stats are just way too low for the level he currently is.Weird right? It is almost like Edgar is there to fuck with Liora instead of being helpful.
Guy needs special abilities specific to him, a charged ability that kills enemies below a certain health threshold(letting him actually steal kills and upgrade himself) he needs to actually have a way to either gain more abilities like defensive stance (he already spends 90% of the time guarding anyway so there’s no reason for him not to have it) or have him start out with a bunch of different strong abilities that you can contract him to use. Pierce is worthless because his damage is so low that a offensive stance rean basic attack with advantage deals like triple its damage, he should have something stronger. I’m imagining how Edgar is possibly going to keep up with the party past day 30+ when he’s already getting one shot by most enemies by the time you reach that point.
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No, the entire point of the contact system is to get Liora NTRed and corrupted. This is not one of those villain is too powerful to drop so NTR is unavoidable type of games.
This game's battles are harder than most but the game can be beaten with the proper strategy without doing any contracts with him. In fact the current update adds Edgar tripping up Rean and harassing Liora in battle just shows how little benefits he brings to a proper team.
As others had said you can power up Edgar if you want but that means weakening the others so Liora is more dependent on him. Of course the opposite is true too. Focus on the couple and he will quickly get left behind. It all depends on how you want to play and if you want to avoid NTR or not.