RPGM Lisa [v3.0.5] [PaleGrass]

[Shackie]

I have 11 insta pic discovered, how i activate Byron beach scene? The objectives tell me always "post on Instagram 10 times"

Go to Lisa's room and check her computer , Byron sends a message and invites Lisa to the beach .

 

[Shackie]

when does the renpy version get updated?

https://f95zone.to/threads/lisa-v2-62-palegrass.86725/post-8486707
"No Ren'Py update to v2.62. As for now you'll have to wait for v2.7 to get published. "

 

[Pegasus thend]

Go to Lisa's room and check her computer , Byron sends a message and invites Lisa to the beach .

How can you tell how many pic you got already? when it’s been quite long already playing it!

 

[DaiMonSquirrel]

She definitely can't talk about it with Jo. It was already established at the swim meet that Jo is also best friends with Danny, and that she reacts very strongly to the thought of Lisa cheating. Lisa can't sit down with Jo and talk about the bad situation she's in because she cheated on Danny with a woman.



Maybe this is what will happen. The fact that it hasn't happened yet doesn't mean that it won't. Or perhaps Lisa will find another way. We have to wait and see.

One of your chief points seems to be that you think that Lisa would find a solution quickly, and I simply don't find your arguments on that point to be convincing.



I'm not sure why you would think that the fact that they would be assaulting 18 and/or 19 year olds would somehow make it better. The law protects 18 year olds to the same extent as 30 year olds.

Also, you say that Theo and others like Lisa, and they would therefore be willing to commit a felony in order to protect her. This is a very large leap to what seems to be a very shaky conclusion. How much does Theo like her, really? He's interacted with her just once, on the night when she first met Aoife. He gave her a ride home and warned her to stay away from his family. Yes, he treated her in a friendly way, but why would we assume that he's now ready to go to prison for her? I think that Theo is probably wild enough to risk prison for someone he really loves, like Josh/Aoife, for example. But why on earth would he risk losing his business and his freedom to help a new employee who shared a single bike ride with him?

And the same would hold true for the others, I think. You seem to find it very hard to believe that Lisa could be blackmailed by Paul, but very easy to believe that people she has known for a week or two would commit crimes for her. To me, the reverse seems far more likely.



We didn't go off topic. You say that the focus should be how to extend Paul's character in order to make him more believable. Well, we were talking about that, though I don't accept that this should be the only focus, or that either one of us should be able to define the conversation in such a way as to limit its scope. As long as we are talking about this in the context of the game and the characters in the game, then we are on topic for this thread.



As someone who also has a background in psychology, I assure you that it is plausible. Furthermore, I don't think that it's either necessary or important for PaleGrass to try to provide us with a backstory for Paul which explains why he is a sociopath. This story is about Lisa, not Paul. Perhaps Paul does have trauma in his past. Perhaps he was simply overindulged, overprotected, had no close friendships, and is now an example of the banality of evil. It really is sufficient for PaleGrass to say "Paul is a sociopath", which tells us what to expect from him in the story. We don't need to know what happened to Paul when he was 5 years old. We only need to know whether or not his actions are in keeping with his character. That is what makes for believability in storytelling.

We do, however, need some motive for Paul to blackmail Lisa, and some motive for Lisa to submit to blackmail. Lisa undeniably has motives already in the game for submitting, but I think that they need to be strengthened and better explained.

As for Paul having a motivation to victimize Lisa, I think that he does have one. I don't think that it's been made sufficiently clear in the game, and it's even possible that I'm reading too much between the lines and am therefore completely wrong about this, but I think that the subtext of the game so far is telling us that Paul has had a longtime crush on Lisa, which he has expressed for years now in the form of harassing behavior, which is fairly common for immature males.

Now, if I'm correct about Paul having a crush on Lisa, then the fact that she clearly dislikes him, and takes every opportunity to express that dislike to his face, is a rejection which he well may resent. And, having walked in on Lisa and Danny fucking in the living room, he may be more tempted than ever to regard her as a sexual object, and perhaps to think of her as slutty, and also to resent her apparently healthy and loving relationship with another man.

If Paul is a sociopath, and if I'm correct about the above being part of the subtext of the game, then he has all of the motivation needed to prompt him to blackmail Lisa. This just needs to be better explained in the game. And, now that he has his motive, all he needs is opportunity and leverage, which he very luckily stumbles upon (lucky for him, unlucky for Lisa).



I see what you did there.

We're running in circles. I disagree with what you said but I respect it. Having different opinions on fictional characters is however an indicator of a good job done by the creator of said character. MY Lisa, the Lisa I've created in my mind following a certain path, is different from YOUR Lisa without a doubt. Same for Paul. We have different opinions cause we "lived" different characters. And that's a strength for the game, I think.
Just a clarification, although you've been right on Jo (I forgot that part of her being close with Danny) I think that my focus was more on "Would Lisa look for help?" than "would that character help Lisa?". I keep thinking that Theo or someone else would eventually help Lisa if she explains them the situation but my concern is about Lisa's reaction to being blackmailed (the "burden too heavy to face by herself" part). That I feel unrealistic (again subjectivity) despite the outcome of that action.

 

[TheLecher]

How can you tell how many pic you got already? when it’s been quite long already playing it!

Did you check the Instagram Album on the game menu?

 

[Pegasus thend]

Did you check the Instagram Album on the game menu?
View attachment 1913111

I guess I forget that one!

 

[Igni Zola]

Okay, probably a dumb question but how do you unlock the "Summer Blouse & Jeans” outfit? The wardrobe only shows the camisole and cardigan outfit. Need that for basically every other quest after reaching exhibitionist level 2. Is it a case of missing files? I used the compressed version for the 2.62 update.

 

[TheLecher]

Okay, probably a dumb question but how do you unlock the "Summer Blouse & Jeans” outfit? The wardrobe only shows the camisole and cardigan outfit. Need for basically every other quest after reaching exhibitionist level 2. Is it a case of missing files? I used the compressed version for the 2.62 update.

You haven't advanced the story far enough. When you reach the correct place in the main story, Lisa will receive the summer blouse and jeans.

 

[SevenCostanza]

The blackmail scene plays out very similarly to the way it does in Japanese hentai/manga/NTR.
I understand there are cultural differences that may make it more plausible in Japan but as a North American the situation is hard to believe.
For starters, blackmail and revenge porn are illegal. As is rape. I get that in Japan the shame and dishonor from being in any of those situations can compel them to go along with the blackmailers, but as a North American I don't know any women who would be unwilling to go to the authorities out of honor or dignity.

Also the whole idea of 'someone has proof of me in a slightly compromising situation so clearly the best solution is to put myself in an even MORE compromising situation so they can get more proof and have more influence and control over me' is mind boggling. It just doesn't make sense. What is the plan in the long run? Go along with their demands the rest of your life? It only really ends if they come clean and either they continue the relationship without that hanging over them or the relationship ends and the proof has no more power.

The reasoning behind thinking that acquiescing to their demands will somehow make it stop is naive.
As is thinking that it would be worse to come clean to their significant other, then it would be to go along with the blackmailers demands.
I mean they could have gone right to the authorities after it happened saying they were raped and the significant other would likely be understanding and supportive. I mean what would be worse, admitting to fooling around with someone else or them finding out you had sex with a bunch of other people (even unwillingly) in order to make sure they didn't find out about fooling around with someone else?

Blackmail in general isn't the easiest thing to make believable or logical because often times what gets asked of the victim is far worse then the initial transgression and will do much greater and longer lasting damage to the relationship they were trying to protect to begin with. I understand this is a game/VN/fiction so I'm not hung up on it or anything. Just thought I'd contribute my thoughts on the discussion happening.

 

[TheLecher]

I understand there are cultural differences that may make it more plausible in Japan but as a North American the situation is hard to believe.

As a North American, I don't find it to be all that implausible. The only thing really needed to make it believable is for Lisa's motives for submitting to be made clearer and stronger.

For starters, blackmail and revenge porn are illegal. As is rape. I get that in Japan the shame and dishonor from being in any of those situations can compel them to go along with the blackmailers, but as a North American I don't know any women who would be unwilling to go to the authorities out of honor or dignity.

Um...

Of course blackmail and rape are illegal, and not only North America. Are you honestly trying to argue that, because they're illegal, they don't happen? Are you attempting to suggest that every rape victim in the US reports the crime to the authorities, because every available study on the subject would contradict that.

Also, you seem to have completely misunderstood the reason why Lisa doesn't want her affair with Viv to be revealed. It isn't because she's so very ashamed at the thought of the general public seeing a photo of her kissing a woman or appearing nude or semi-nude. It's because she's afraid of how specific people in her life (her aunt, her boyfriend, Luca) would react to the knowledge of what she and Viv are doing.

Edit - Also, while you may think that you don't know any women who would be unwilling to go to the authorities, I question if that's truly the case. It's a fairly common occurrence. If it's such a common occurrence as we are often told (It may or may not be.), then it's quite possible that some of the women you know, if they were ever raped, might fall into this category. Within my own normal sized circle of acquaintance, I've known three women who were raped who refused to report the crime.

Also the whole idea of 'someone has proof of me in a slightly compromising situation so clearly the best solution is to put myself in an even MORE compromising situation so they can get more proof and have more influence and control over me' is mind boggling. It just doesn't make sense.

Again, your objection seems to be predicated upon the incorrect interpretation that Lisa is trying to protect her public image. What she is trying to do is to preserve her relationships with people who are (or are becoming) important in her life. If her first concern is to keep those people from finding out, then she can't just refuse the blackmail until she has a way to neutralize the threat. This is still true, even if complying leads to the blackmailer's hold on her being strengthened.

What is the plan in the long run?

Lisa doesn't have a plan yet. That's quite obvious. She has to come up with a plan. And, until she does, she doesn't want Danny, Luca, and Sharon to know about it.

The reasoning behind thinking that acquiescing to their demands will somehow make it stop is naive.

And yet, people do acquiesce to blackmail in real life. So, apparently, it's often realistic to portray people as making naïve judgements and foolish choices. Lisa wouldn't be the first person to wrongly think, "I'll just give him what he wants, and then he'll go away." And it's already been made clear in the game that she now realizes that Paul isn't going to stop, and that she has to figure out a way to stop him.

As is thinking that it would be worse to come clean to their significant other, then it would be to go along with the blackmailers demands.

You're actually right that it would be better in real life, if you were being blackmailed over infidelity, to come clean to your partner and hope that you might be forgiven. That doesn't change the fact that people actually do go to some pretty crazy lengths to keep their cheating hidden, as I've already pointed out in this thread.

So, while you're right in saying that Lisa should have handled it differently, you're wrong to say that this makes the scenario unrealistic or unbelievable.

 

[SevenCostanza]

As a North American, I don't find it to be all that implausible. The only thing really needed to make it believable is for Lisa's motives for submitting to be made clearer and stronger.



Um...

Of course blackmail and rape are illegal, and not only North America. Are you honestly trying to argue that, because they're illegal, they don't happen? Are you attempting to suggest that every rape victim in the US reports the crime to the authorities, because every available study on the subject would contradict that.

Also, you seem to have completely misunderstood the reason why Lisa doesn't want her affair with Viv to be revealed. It isn't because she's so very ashamed at the thought of the general public seeing a photo of her kissing a woman or appearing nude or semi-nude. It's because she's afraid of how specific people in her life (her aunt, her boyfriend, Luca) would react to the knowledge of what she and Viv are doing.

Edit - Also, while you may think that you don't know any women who would be unwilling to go to the authorities, I question if that's truly the case. It's a fairly common occurrence. If it's such a common occurrence as we are often told (It may or may not be.), then it's quite possible that some of the women you know, if they were ever raped, might fall into this category. Within my own normal sized circle of acquaintance, I've known three women who were raped who refused to report the crime.



Again, your objection seems to be predicated upon the incorrect interpretation that Lisa is trying to protect her public image. What she is trying to do is to preserve her relationships with people who are (or are becoming) important in her life. If her first concern is to keep those people from finding out, then she can't just refuse the blackmail until she has a way to neutralize the threat. This is still true, even if complying leads to the blackmailer's hold on her being strengthened.



Lisa doesn't have a plan yet. That's quite obvious. She has to come up with a plan. And, until she does, she doesn't want Danny, Luca, and Sharon to know about it.



And yet, people do acquiesce to blackmail in real life. So, apparently, it's often realistic to portray people as making naïve judgements and foolish choices. Lisa wouldn't be the first person to wrongly think, "I'll just give him what he wants, and then he'll go away." And it's already been made clear in the game that she now realizes that Paul isn't going to stop, and that she has to figure out a way to stop him.



You're actually right that it would be better in real life, if you were being blackmailed over infidelity, to come clean to your partner and hope that you might be forgiven. That doesn't change the fact that people actually do go to some pretty crazy lengths to keep their cheating hidden, as I've already pointed out in this thread.

So, while you're right in saying that Lisa should have handled it differently, you're wrong to say that this makes the scenario unrealistic or unbelievable.

Sure I'll concede on some of your points like of course many women do not report rape/blackmail etc for various reasons and no I wasn't arguing that it doesn't happen because it's illegal, I was simply pointing out how the cultural differences make it much more prevalent in Japan which is where a lot of these plots seem to take inspiration from. Of course not all, and Japan didn't invent sexual blackmail, but it's a much bigger genre there then in North America and the scenario felt like it was plucked right out of Japan but that's probably just my own bias. Of course blackmail still happens and people give in and of course people try to hide their infidelity but in the specific circumstances of the story, in my personal opinion, it doesn't make sense.

I actually didn't misunderstand her reason for not wanting to be exposed. I never once mentioned her public image or reputation but it's hard to imagine that doesn't play a role at all.
It doesn't matter whether it's her public image, her relationship with her current partner, family, friends, or other personal relationships that she's trying to protect. At the end of the day someone is holding something over her head that she doesn't want exposed and is demanding she do what they say. Regardless of who or what she's trying to protect, how does putting herself into another/different compromising situation solve anything? Would she have no issue if they exposed her (to the three you mentioned) getting gangbanged as long as they don't expose her for what she did with Viv? Is that really better lol? What if it's just having sex with one other guy. Giving a blowjob. A handjob. Just being naked and groped by a bunch of guys. Are these really less threatening if exposed? What if they exposed her to co-workers, at school, friends or even random people she runs into regularly like the barista or neighbors. This isn't about her public reputation so no issues there. Whew, crisis averted. It's just another thing that would be used against her in some way, digging herself deeper in the hole.

With that being said yea I get it, it's a game and shit needs to happen so sex can happen. Yes people make naive dumb choices in real life as well and she isn't the sharpest tool in the shed I suppose so you do have a point.....

You know what? You convinced me. I agree with you, it's not unrealistic for her to go along with it because she does seem dumb enough to make those decisions.

 

[MrWally]

Okay, probably a dumb question but how do you unlock the "Summer Blouse & Jeans” outfit? The wardrobe only shows the camisole and cardigan outfit. Need for basically every other quest after reaching exhibitionist level 2. Is it a case of missing files? I used the compressed version for the 2.62 update.

Took me a while also. You have to finish the swim and other school events. A large part of the Markus event, a large part of the restaurant at the beach events, and i though like 18 deviancy. Then on the day mother is going to visit father the clothes are on the bed.

Other question, is there a way to skip or fastforward text? Some parts are so slow

 

[TheLecher]

You know what? You convinced me. I agree with you, it's not unrealistic for her to go along with it because she does seem dumb enough to make those decisions.

I'm pleased to have been of service.

 

[StrangeSilver]

Anybody have lisav2-62 completed saved?

 

[With The]

The blackmail scene plays out very similarly to the way it does in Japanese hentai/manga/NTR.
I understand there are cultural differences that may make it more plausible in Japan but as a North American the situation is hard to believe.
For starters, blackmail and revenge porn are illegal. As is rape. I get that in Japan the shame and dishonor from being in any of those situations can compel them to go along with the blackmailers, but as a North American I don't know any women who would be unwilling to go to the authorities out of honor or dignity.

Also the whole idea of 'someone has proof of me in a slightly compromising situation so clearly the best solution is to put myself in an even MORE compromising situation so they can get more proof and have more influence and control over me' is mind boggling. It just doesn't make sense. What is the plan in the long run? Go along with their demands the rest of your life? It only really ends if they come clean and either they continue the relationship without that hanging over them or the relationship ends and the proof has no more power.

The reasoning behind thinking that acquiescing to their demands will somehow make it stop is naive.
As is thinking that it would be worse to come clean to their significant other, then it would be to go along with the blackmailers demands.
I mean they could have gone right to the authorities after it happened saying they were raped and the significant other would likely be understanding and supportive. I mean what would be worse, admitting to fooling around with someone else or them finding out you had sex with a bunch of other people (even unwillingly) in order to make sure they didn't find out about fooling around with someone else?

Blackmail in general isn't the easiest thing to make believable or logical because often times what gets asked of the victim is far worse then the initial transgression and will do much greater and longer lasting damage to the relationship they were trying to protect to begin with. I understand this is a game/VN/fiction so I'm not hung up on it or anything. Just thought I'd contribute my thoughts on the discussion happening.

not everything has to be america rule, dude wake up.

 

[Angelo Vecchi]

Renshire 711 (were is ?)

Summer Blouse

Morning/Afternoon

 

[TheLecher]

Renshire 711 (were is ?)

Summer Blouse

Morning/Afternoon

Do a search in this thread for your answer. Or just read back through the last few pages.

 

[Ernst Kurz]

Cant find Aoife after dad picks her up in the limo, went to school which is what objectives tells me and can't find her there either, someone halp please.

Had the same problem. Triggered at the end for me, after getting the job in the hotel. But maybe there is more to it.
I am afraid that this unfathomable complexity will pile up into the usual game-killing mess. Otherwise a great effort. And I am not a fan of cows on permanent display.

 

[Shackie]

Took me a while also. You have to finish the swim and other school events. A large part of the Markus event, a large part of the restaurant at the beach events, and i though like 18 deviancy. Then on the day mother is going to visit father the clothes are on the bed.

Other question, is there a way to skip or fastforward text? Some parts are so slow

Fastforward text: -press and hold down the Enter

 

[PeterLA0909]

The update is looking good from all the teasers we get. Waiting for the Ren´Py version! A thank you and a shout out to the guys making the VN version of "Lisa"!

Did you know when the ren´py version will be updated?