Kotobiki

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So, I have to critize the newest version or better said, the direction the game takes. Because the game is in imminent danger of becoming a Moddy & Paul Blackmail Sim. The game is on the edge of a massive imbalance!

Lisa is still at school, in my opinion we are meant to corrupt her and getting more and more spicy and kinky scenes with her throughout the days. But meanwhile it looks like she's full time working at Moddy's? What about the many locations in the game where all started? The café, the park, the three different jobs, the school setting, the park next to the school, the forest, Theo's bar, the son of Viv, more with the highschool football guys? The spa, the clothing store, the red light district, Lisa jogging, etc. etc! Another encounter with Duncan, after a party at school for example on her way home, drunk. So to say the usage of the current available locations with the current available characters is now lacking way too much. The many possibilities to corrupt her slowly have been layed aside!

This results in the problem, if the dev wants to progress on this locations someday (hopefully), Lisa's behaviour with Moddy doesn't fit with all those locations and possible events there, at least if you want to implement a believable corruption, she is way to far with Moddy to connect to the early places. A negative example is one of the two events at Moddy's. Where Moddy comes in and she gives him a blowjob on the cheating route. No regrets or problems that Danny could enter the room. While the Byron event is exactly what I meant, that's how it should go, it was hot and kinda slow! But the Lisa with her behaviour in one event is a different Lisa than on the other event! It doesn't make sense.

And for me personally there is a reason for that. The poll some months ago, shorter and more or longer and less scenes. The longer and less scenes won. As far as I understand the alpha post of Palegrass, he is again "happy" to be done with those very long scenes. So we have here another danger of a burnout or boreout of the dev. Torturing himself to do long scenes. And those long scenes don't drive the events on all the many other locations and possibilites I mentioned earlier and lead to an imbalance, to a Moddy & Paul blackmail sim.

What spicy and kinky smaller scenes you can make on all those locations and corrupt her more and more. But if it goes on like this, she became already mindless fuckmeat. THere is no reason to corrupt her more and more in other places and events. The Paul scene is way too much (not what Paul tries but the other guys). They should first try something on their own and later on in the game it happens they find out Paul is having his claws in her and join him for example.

Maybe Palegrass sees some valid arguments here and rethinks what he originally wanted, how Lisa gets corrupted and the path for her in the game. And maybe he rethinks the less and longer scenes and goes more in the Byron scene direction (again). Patreons are there to support you to create the game you want, not to "pay" to have the saying how the game should be in their opinion. And if the game turns into something that the dev doesn't want, because of a poll, than it should be revoked. And I say, the game is going in a direction which wasn't there in the beginning (which made me love this game). But maybe he changed his opinion about it meanwhile, if this new direction is Palegrass' vision now, then it is how it is, it's _your_ game of course!

Longer scenes definitely yes. As a highlight, every two or three updates. Shorter scenes as standard, different people, different locations (which are already there) to corrupt her more slowly. You could even implement longer scenes for meanigful changes of Lisa. For example she reached a level of corruption where she finally (forced or not) would strip in a club. This, as a long scene, would be awesome. Or something again, later in the game, she prostitutes herself (in a backalley, in brothel, whatever), her first prostitution event as long scene with introduction etc. Oh man, that would be awesome!

Don't get me wrong, Lisa is still so freakin' hot, the renders are awesome and your writing of the scenes is excellent! But it is too much, making the game one sided, because there are so many open strings to follow (or at least I thought we could) which aren't followed anymore because of all your effort (which is phenomenal) goes into those long scenes. I mean maybe you could benefit from it to. You can plan and render a long scene over two or three updates, no anncouncement, only teasing, no time pressure. Today not in the mood to work on the longer scene? You could do this event, that event, drive the story forward, new quests.

I hope it is clear I do not critisize Palegrass' working morale, his renders' quality or his story telling within the scenes, which is all phenomenal! I praise you! It's simply the pace and direction the game is going meanwhile.

P.S.: To clarify one thing because I mentioned the two Moddy "heart symbol events". I am not against them. On the contrary, I love those mini events. Free roaming in a RPGM game and suddenly there is a heart symbol. Oh that's exciting I love it. But this is way too early, too much (not with Danny!, but with Moddy!). More events (with increasing kink) like the groping event in the 7/11 or when she's on her way to the clothing store. So many places you can make many little more and more intense events for more excitement, variety and suprise!
I think you have interesting insight, but are ignoring a crucial point. Comfort varies between people, Lisa has been relatively comfy with Moddy since day 1, while other peeps shes cautious of or blatantly dislikes. Its not surprising for her to be willing to do more with someone she has a preference for than with randos or peeps she is uncomfortable with.
 

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I think you have interesting insight, but are ignoring a crucial point. Comfort varies between people, Lisa has been relatively comfy with Moddy since day 1, while other peeps shes cautious of or blatantly dislikes. Its not surprising for her to be willing to do more with someone she has a preference for than with randos or peeps she is uncomfortable with.
the bf of course being the one exception lol
 

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The comfortable argument I agree. But! Does this mean because she is comfortable with Moddy she blows him in the office with no regrets and fear that Danny could walk in? And with other people she has regrets (why then she cheated with them) or being seen by Danny. It's not that consistent. Imagine now her behaviour at Moddys in other scenes with people she's comfortable with. Like Vivs son for example. Then she should fuck him without regret etc. and many more. I think this is inconsistent.

Mh, don't know if I expressed what I meant clearly, no native speaker, and I already notice I get to invested in this game, what I don't want, lesson learned with many other games.

Well, in the end it's Palegrass decision, that's why I wrote if he thinks one of my arguments is valid and maybe changes something (my main argument was the length of the scenes, there is no real development in all other places/persons and too much in the current direction of her behaviour/corruption with Moddy and blackmailing by Paul).
Agreed, and Palegrass stated he wants to spend more time around Moddy's (betting game if remembered correctly). Paul's plotline I wouldn't mind if it just wasn't blackmail. One final though to Moddy, his plotline is tied in with the bombings that are happening (important).
 
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Kotobiki

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The comfortable argument I agree. But! Does this mean because she is comfortable with Moddy she blows him in the office with no regrets and fear that Danny could walk in? And with other people she has regrets (why then she cheated with them) or being seen by Danny. It's not that consistent. Imagine now her behaviour at Moddys in other scenes with people she's comfortable with. Like Vivs son for example. Then she should fuck him without regret etc. and many more. I think this is inconsistent.

Mh, don't know if I expressed what I meant clearly, no native speaker, and I already notice I get to invested in this game, what I don't want, lesson learned with many other games.

Well, in the end it's Palegrass decision, that's why I wrote if he thinks one of my arguments is valid and maybe changes something (my main argument was the length of the scenes, there is no real development in all other places/persons and too much in the current direction of her behaviour/corruption with Moddy and blackmailing by Paul).
Lisa has become more open/feels less guilty as story progresses, she was borderline topless in front of 2 people with Danny next to her in the camping event and when he told her about how she was showing too much she essentially told him to shut the fuck up lol. Maybe might not be 1000% consistent between scenes, but she is certainly much more daring now than she was earlier on.
 
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TheLecher

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I personally prefer bae just becoming naturally kinky tbh.
Fortunately, you'll have that option. If you're not a fan of the blackmail, then you never have to see it.

I'm very much in favor of developers making fetish content optional, as long as it isn't crucial for the story.

The comfortable argument I agree. But! Does this mean because she is comfortable with Moddy she blows him in the office with no regrets and fear that Danny could walk in? And with other people she has regrets (why then she cheated with them) or being seen by Danny. It's not that consistent. Imagine now her behaviour at Moddys in other scenes with people she's comfortable with. Like Vivs son for example. Then she should fuck him without regret etc. and many more. I think this is inconsistent.
But people do not behave consistently across all relationships in real life. You might be a completely different person with your best friend than you would be with your grandparents. No matter how uninhibited you are with other people, you're likely to be much more careful with your words and actions with someone whom you've only recently met, especially if you want them to have a favorable impression of you.

It makes perfect sense to me that Lisa would behave one way around a bunch of scruffy mechanics, and behave a completely different way around a shy younger man whom she's been tutoring and trying to encourage to step out of his shell. She may be equally comfortable with all of them (Or not, that's not a safe assumption.), but still behave differently in different settings with different people.

I do not find that to be at all strange or inconsistent with reality or logical behavior.

(my main argument was the length of the scenes, there is no real development in all other places/persons and too much in the current direction of her behaviour/corruption with Moddy and blackmailing by Paul).
As has already been said, Moddy is supposedly going to have a more important role in the story than some of the other side characters, so it would make sense for more attention to be paid to his scenes. And I would imagine that, now that Paul's storyline has been advanced somewhat, other characters will get their turns before PaleGrass comes back to Paul. With so many characters and so many side plots, we can't reasonably expect all of the characters to have content in every update.

And it's not as if the new update only includes content for Moddy and Paul. There's a date with Viv, and there's more Instagram content and a Byron scene. And Jayce's party is planned for either the next update or the one after that (I forget which.), so we already know that other characters and storylines are still being planned out and implemented.

Basically, what I'm saying is that I think that everything is well in hand, and the game is not turning into just Moddy and Paul content.

-Edited for spelling.
 
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Kotobiki

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Fortunately, you'll have that option. If you're not a fan of the blackmail, then you never have to see it.

I'm very much in favor of developers making fetish content optional, as long as it isn't crucial for the story.



But people do not behave consistently across all relationships in real life. You might be a completely different person with your best friend than you would be with your grandparents. No matter how uninhibited you are with other people, you're likely to be much more careful with your words and actions with someone whom you've only recently met, especially if you want them to have a favorable impression of you.

It makes perfect sense to me that Lisa would behave one way around a bunch of scruffy mechanics, and behave a completely different way around a shy younger man whom she's been tutoring and trying to encourage to step out of his shell. She may be equally comfortable with all of them (Or not, that's not a safe assumption.), but still behave differently in different settings with different people.

I do not find that to be at all strange or inconsistent with reality or logical behavior.



As has already been said, Moddy is supposedly going to have a more important role in the story than some of the other side characters, so it would make sense for more attention to be paid to his scenes. And I would imagine that, now that Paul's storyline has been advanced somewhat, other characters will get their turns before PaleGrass comes back to Paul. With so many characters and so many side plots, we can't reasonably expect all of the characters to have content in every update.

And it's not as if the new update only includes content for Moddy and Paul. There's a date with Viv, and there's more Instagram content and a Byron scene. And Jayce's party is planned for either the next update or the one after that (I forget which.), so we already know that other characters and storylines are still being planned out and implemented.

Basically, what I'm saying is that I think that everything is well in hand, and the game is not turning into just Moddy and Paul content.

-Edited for spelling.
Oh, im fine with all the content as long as its well done, was just stating which I preferred, not implying I had a specific aversion towards that content. In example I was fine with the drink spike scene, think dev should be have liberty of writing. Although also on that note, think there should be more drinking scenes and these just playing out as a regular (sexy) night of drunk Lisa, wondered how shed behave wasted since shes already stated she isnt best at handling her liquor or herself when drunk.

P.s. Agree for most part on what you say, even upon people you have comfort or sentiment for you can behave differently with one than youd do with another, circumstance is the mother of context.
 
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