VN Others Long Story Short [v0.10a1] [TTrickGames]

[Dessolos]

I would be happy if Ann died in the game. My "Ann Hatred" increased after the last episode

Funny enough I didn't hate Ann my first playthrough. I played a love path with no NTR and didn't cheat on her or anything. Well once I tried a NTR and manslut save I now hate her only thing worst is Vanessa

 

[Aristos]

Honestly I'm getting a kick out of the Ann hate too. I kinda get why people hate her but I don't really share that sentiment. I like her. Corrupted Ann is kinda silly. The way she goes along with everything... But that isn't my main route so who cares. I still like her looks and personality.

Vanessa, whom I hated from the very start, is starting to grow on me a little bit. She is a bitch and a whore but when you accept that, her dynamic with the MC becomes quite entertaining. Emily is still #1. Alex and Jenny...I don't really care about them. I'll toss them at Chris or Joe or whoever.

Now my issue is with the side girls that come and go. Can TTrick make 'em ugly or something!?!? Merry is meh but Amber, Angela and Kim are all top notch for me. It really sucks we don't get more of them. I would gladly trade Alex and Jenny for 2 of those 3.

I think some people are not getting the point.
Years ago, when the game started, no one hated Ann. People had their preferences, but Ann wasn't a particularly criticized character. There's no accounting for taste after all.
What pushed many people like me to hate her presence in the game is the fact that she has practically hijacked the game and any progression with other more attractive (in our opinion) characters after years and years of development. This became specially unbearable after the two devs split up and the game was ported to this personalized engine, and with time it led to all sorts of jokes about her head, her stupidity, etc. out of sheer boredom and despair.
I remember when Emily wasn't even in the game yet, that first time when she came home. Before that, I genuinely didn't harbour any special hatred against Ann.
This has got ridiculous as the years passed. "Ann's story short", all jokes aside, would be a much better suited title.

 

[BlenderGuy]

I would be happy if Ann died in the game. My "Ann Hatred" increased after the last episode

If Ann dies in it, I want to see the Hobo sneak into the mausoleum to have sex with her dead body.
Then Chris takes over from the Hobo. About an hour later, Joey climbs inside her. Then the MC goes down
on her one last time. The intensity of passion brings Ann back to life.
But this time her head is even bigger in comparison to her body.
She's now a Zombie, who eats ever other possible LI in the game.

 

[BlenderGuy]

Funny enough I didn't hate Ann my first playthrough. I played a love path with no NTR and didn't cheat on her or anything. Well once I tried a NTR and manslut save I now hate her only thing worst is Vanessa

I find Vanessa boring to be honest.
I'd probably sell her vital organs If I knew her in real life.

 

[19Castiel23]

I think some people are not getting the point.
Years ago, when the game started, no one hated Ann. People had their preferences, but Ann wasn't a particularly criticized character. There's no accounting for taste after all.
What pushed many people like me to hate her presence in the game is the fact that she has practically hijacked the game and any progression with other more attractive (in our opinion) characters after years and years of development. This became specially unbearable after the two devs split up and the game was ported to this personalized engine, and with time it led to all sorts of jokes about her head, her stupidity, etc. out of sheer boredom and despair.
I remember when Emily wasn't even in the game yet, that first time when she came home. Before that, I genuinely didn't harbour any special hatred against Ann.
This has got ridiculous as the years passed. "Ann's story short", all jokes aside, would be a much better suited title.

There are two games that I have been "financially" supporting and a fan of for the last 1-2 years: Hillside and LSS. Frankly, it saddens me that LSS has fallen into this situation. First of all, the game's producer TTrick and those who defend him like crazy have to accept the "criticism".

 

[RNasc4444]

I think some people are not getting the point.
Years ago, when the game started, no one hated Ann. People had their preferences, but Ann wasn't a particularly criticized character. There's no accounting for taste after all.
What pushed many people like me to hate her presence in the game is the fact that she has practically hijacked the game and any progression with other more attractive (in our opinion) characters after years and years of development. This became specially unbearable after the two devs split up and the game was ported to this personalized engine, and with time it led to all sorts of jokes about her head, her stupidity, etc. out of sheer boredom and despair.
I remember when Emily wasn't even in the game yet, that first time when she came home. Before that, I genuinely didn't harbour any special hatred against Ann.
This has got ridiculous as the years passed. "Ann's story short", all jokes aside, would be a much better suited title.

I understand what your saying but...have you considered the fact that you and "many people" are actually in the minority when it comes to Ann? I've seen 3 polls about this game so far and Ann was in 1st place in 2 of them and in second on the 3rd. She seems to be the favorite of the majority as far as I can tell. I'm not on any Discord for LSS so I may not be entirely correct but from all I've seen this seems to be the case.

If you were TTrick and you could see that most people gravitate towards Ann and Vanessa, would you give them more or less of them?

 

[19Castiel23]

I understand what your saying but...have you considered the fact that you and "many people" are actually in the minority when it comes to Ann? I've seen 3 polls about this game so far and Ann was in 1st place in 2 of them and in second on the 3rd. She seems to be the favorite of the majority as far as I can tell. I'm not on any Discord for LSS so I may not be entirely correct but from all I've seen this seems to be the case.

If you were TTrick and you could see that most people gravitate towards Ann and Vanessa, would you give them more or less of them?

There are many Emily fans on Patreon. In fact, from what I see in the comments, only Emily's name is mentioned. In Discord, especially Alex/Emily fans change. Emily/Alex are always at the top of the list in TTrick's poll-based rendering selections.

 

[Leongen43]

I understand what your saying but...have you considered the fact that you and "many people" are actually in the minority when it comes to Ann? I've seen 3 polls about this game so far and Ann was in 1st place in 2 of them and in second on the 3rd. She seems to be the favorite of the majority as far as I can tell. I'm not on any Discord for LSS so I may not be entirely correct but from all I've seen this seems to be the case.

If you were TTrick and you could see that most people gravitate towards Ann and Vanessa, would you give them more or less of them?

It's sad to see a developer become a slave to those damn shit surveys and lose narrative control of their game's story.

 

[corellius]

at the rate this is going, the dev will die of old age before they ever get the chance to finish it

 

[Aristos]

I understand what your saying but...have you considered the fact that you and "many people" are actually in the minority when it comes to Ann? I've seen 3 polls about this game so far and Ann was in 1st place in 2 of them and in second on the 3rd. She seems to be the favorite of the majority as far as I can tell. I'm not on any Discord for LSS so I may not be entirely correct but from all I've seen this seems to be the case.

If you were TTrick and you could see that most people gravitate towards Ann and Vanessa, would you give them more or less of them?

Well, firstly if polls are an indication of how much content a character should have, if we take the poll in this thread for example being in first place with 24% doesn't mean that the majority of players like her best. Quite the opposite: 76% of people like some other character first. My favourite character is Emily, but if I can't have Emily scenes I would much rather have scenes with literally any other character than with Ann. All the other characters combined don't come close to 76% of the scenes currently in the game. Not even close.
Currently, there are 57 scenes in the game's gallery, out of which 26 are with Ann if I'm not wrong. Way over 24%.
19 scenes with Vannessa.
12 for all the others including 5 one-off scenes with secondary characters, which leaves 7 scenes between (for me) the best three girls: Alex, Emily and Jenny.
(I've checked it and Alex photoshoot scene isn't even in the gallery, so let's make it 8 scenes between the three of them out of a total 58.)
Proportionate? I don't think so.

Secondly, I'd love to see another poll asking "Who's your least favourite girl?" That would be interesting.

Finally, and this is something that has been discussed a lot here, people who like Ann primarily do so because she plays a certain role in the story they have a fetish with. She's the nerdy girl they can corrupt, share and turn into a filthy whore.
If Alex played that role, she'd be their favourite. If Amber was a main LI and she played tha role, she'd be their favourite, etc.
And very importantly too: you get more fans the more screen time you get. It's not fair to compare her popularity to anyone else's.

 

[ffive]

Please don't badmouth the game, "ffive" is very angry. FFive is the F95 minister of the "LSS" game.

Kitten, i have maybe a dozen or two posts in this thread. Out of 7k. You'd need to be inane to think i'm actually the developer for this one, given i spend most of my time on this site anywhere but here. But whatever helps you alleviate the anal pain of being publicly called out on your ignorance, i guess. Keep the dream alive.

 

[Joshy92]

and me when I mentioned that Ann hotel scene shouldn't even be on her hate route.

What did you think of the update bro? I liked it except for not being able to cuddle Vanessa but that I understand because she's not ready for it yet.

 

[GetOutOfMyLab]

What did you think of the update bro? I liked it except for not being able to cuddle Vanessa but that I understand because she's not ready for it yet.

Haven't played it. Will probably wait.

 

[RNasc4444]

It's sad to see a developer become a slave to those damn shit surveys and lose narrative control of their game's story.

I think you may need to replay the game from the start again. You seem to be a little lost. The story that the MC is telling someone on the PC starts with Joey, Ann and Vanessa. If it wasn't for Ann, Alex wouldn't even be in the story because the MC wouldn't know her. Clearly Ann and Vanessa are the main pillars of the story. Ann and van are what keeps the story moving forward. So I'm struggling to understand how wtf you mean by "losing narrative control" when the character is a big chunk of that very same narrative.

Well, firstly if polls are an indication of how much content a character should have, if we take the poll in this thread for example being in first place with 24% doesn't mean that the majority of players like her best. Quite the opposite: 76% of people like some other character first. My favourite character is Emily, but if I can't have Emily scenes I would much rather have scenes with literally any other character than with Ann. All the other characters combined don't come close to 76% of the scenes currently in the game. Not even close.
Currently, there are 57 scenes in the game's gallery, out of which 26 are with Ann if I'm not wrong. Way over 24%.
19 scenes with Vannessa.
12 for all the others including 5 one-off scenes with secondary characters, which leaves 7 scenes between (for me) the best three girls: Alex, Emily and Jenny.
(I've checked it and Alex photoshoot scene isn't even in the gallery, so let's make it 8 scenes between the three of them out of a total 58.)
Proportionate? I don't think so.

Secondly, I'd love to see another poll asking "Who's your least favourite girl?" That would be interesting.

Finally, and this is something that has been discussed a lot here, people who like Ann primarily do so because she plays a certain role in the story they have a fetish with. She's the nerdy girl they can corrupt, share and turn into a filthy whore.
If Alex played that role, she'd be their favourite. If Amber was a main LI and she played tha role, she'd be their favourite, etc.
And very importantly too: you get more fans the more screen time you get. It's not fair to compare her popularity to anyone else's.

All very good arguments but I still fail to see how the Ann focus is hindering the story. You realize that she is the only character you can get into a relationship with, right? It is through Ann that you even get to know Alex. So if there was no Ann in the story there would likely be no Alex either.

Whether we like it or not Ann and Vanessa are the two mains girls who are clearly the more relevant to the story that Ben is telling. And clearly the ones that can provide any sexual content at this point. Jenny is a bit of a prude that will likely only bang you if you're in a relationship with her and considering you just met her it's gonna take a little bit. Emily is the MC's fucking sister. That one's gonna take quite a bit of time. And Alex? She may be an insta whore but I'm pretty sure she's a virgin or at least very inexperienced sexually so that may take a while too.

Ann isn't on my top 3 but I have no issues with how much impact and screentime she has in the story. It makes complete sense to me. Even on the Ann Hate route.

 

[GetOutOfMyLab]

I think you may need to replay the game from the start again. You seem to be a little lost. The story that the MC is telling someone on the PC starts with Joey, Ann and Vanessa. If it wasn't for Ann, Alex wouldn't even be in the story because the MC wouldn't know her. Clearly Ann and Vanessa are the main pillars of the story. Ann and van are what keeps the story moving forward. So I'm struggling to understand how wtf you mean by "losing narrative control" when the character is a big chunk of that very same narrative.


All very good arguments but I still fail to see how the Ann focus is hindering the story. You realize that she is the only character you can get into a relationship with, right? It is through Ann that you even get to know Alex. So if there was no Ann in the story there would likely be no Alex either.

Whether we like it or not Ann and Vanessa are the two mains girls who are clearly the more relevant to the story that Ben is telling. And clearly the ones that can provide any sexual content at this point. Jenny is a bit of a prude that will likely only bang you if you're in a relationship with her and considering you just met her it's gonna take a little bit. Emily is the MC's fucking sister. That one's gonna take quite a bit of time. And Alex? She may be an insta whore but I'm pretty sure she's a virgin or at least very inexperienced sexually so that may take a while too.

Ann isn't on my top 3 but I have no issues with how much impact and screentime she has in the story. It makes complete sense to me. Even on the Ann Hate route.

You're wrong... he's following Alex on Insta regardless of Ann.

 

[Leongen43]

I think you may need to replay the game from the start again. You seem to be a little lost. The story that the MC is telling someone on the PC starts with Joey, Ann and Vanessa. If it wasn't for Ann, Alex wouldn't even be in the story because the MC wouldn't know her. Clearly Ann and Vanessa are the main pillars of the story. Ann and van are what keeps the story moving forward. So I'm struggling to understand how wtf you mean by "losing narrative control" when the character is a big chunk of that very same narrative.


All very good arguments but I still fail to see how the Ann focus is hindering the story. You realize that she is the only character you can get into a relationship with, right? It is through Ann that you even get to know Alex. So if there was no Ann in the story there would likely be no Alex either.

Whether we like it or not Ann and Vanessa are the two mains girls who are clearly the more relevant to the story that Ben is telling. And clearly the ones that can provide any sexual content at this point. Jenny is a bit of a prude that will likely only bang you if you're in a relationship with her and considering you just met her it's gonna take a little bit. Emily is the MC's fucking sister. That one's gonna take quite a bit of time. And Alex? She may be an insta whore but I'm pretty sure she's a virgin or at least very inexperienced sexually so that may take a while too.

Ann isn't on my top 3 but I have no issues with how much impact and screentime she has in the story. It makes complete sense to me. Even on the Ann Hate route.

No, you know Alex from her Instagram page, plus you forgot the scene where you talk to her and she becomes your neighbor regardless of whether you're in a relationship with Ann or not.

 

[ffive]

If it wasn't for Ann, Alex wouldn't even be in the story because the MC wouldn't know her.

Technically, the MC gets to meet Alex because of Emily, not Ann. Emily meets her first when she moves in the neighborhood and nudges MC to visit her, because she thinks that's a cute girl and possibly a good girlfriend for MC.

The MC only learns that Ann and Alex are friends either later when he goes out with Ann and meet Alex outside of cinema, or through insta picture with them both on it.

 

[Joshy92]

Haven't played it. Will probably wait.

Shit I just spoiled it again sorry dude.

 

[GetOutOfMyLab]

Shit I just spoiled it again sorry dude.

Nah, I spoiled myself looking at his code before it was released and honestly, I don't care.

 

[BlenderGuy]

Anyone else feel let down by the distinct lack of Chris and Hobo content?