VN Others Long Story Short [v0.9 final] [TTrickGames]

[GetOutOfMyLab]

But isn't this jumping to conclusions? E.g. whether Emily sleeps with Chris may very well also depend on factors like MC's relationship level with her, i.e. if she got close and fairly intimate with MC then she might not care much for Chris, regardless of the control switch. At this point we don't really know how this is going to play out.

Of course this is mostly speculation on everyone's part, but considering I have access to TTrick's code (in order for me to port the game to Ren'Py), I'm very familiar with how he does things.

So... he's never used relationship points, for example, as a way to determine if a character will do something with someone else. It's always been used as a way to unlock more scenes for the MC. He's also kind of moved away from using stats (not completely though), in favor of: if you saw this scene in the past, you can get this new scene. Additionally, the control off option potentially makes anyone fair game, throwing all logic out. At least for now. Proof of this, is what I feel is the worst scene in the game... Ann's motel scene. No logic whatsoever for how that plays out. Especially if you've never shared Ann before.

That's how I feel about any game with NTR tbh. It would make choices feel more important imo.

A lot of NTR games get it wrong, too. For example, I don't think a person needs to be treated poorly in order to have a lapse of judgment and cheat on their SO. At the same time, I also don't think that a small argument would make someone throw everything away and become a complete slut. People are complicated, as are relationships. But so many NTR games follow a silly mold of how characters should behave based on silly choices in the game.

 

[ffive]

Proof of this, is what I feel is the worst scene in the game... Ann's motel scene. No logic whatsoever for how that plays out. Especially if you've never shared Ann before.

Hmm i disagree, i thought the arrangement of that one was pretty logical.

If Ann "hates" the MC then she'll invite the guys on her own after MC is asleep, and fuck them.
If Ann and MC are together then if MC chooses to sleep on the bed with her and shares it with one guy, she'll only fuck the guy (s) if MC explicitly suggests it to her. Otherwise she'll stop herself (or fuck MC if you go for this option)
If MC chooses to sleep on the couch and has Ann share the bed with two strangers then both the game and Ann take it as a signal MC wants to see her involved with them, and she does.

Sure, it would be nice if there was some talk between Ann and MC regarding this (there's even good opportunity for it, with Ann already approaching the MC on the couch to talk before they all go to sleep) because otherwise it can appear very abrupt, but even without it there is some clear logic to it all.

The only thing that felt off in all this was what i mentioned before, that it all goes out of the window on the next day if you choose to give the guys a lift. But that seemed more like oversight/bug that didn't take into account Ann's earlier behavior even though it is one of the switch branches.

 

[metamorphMP]

A lot of NTR games get it wrong, too. For example, I don't think a person needs to be treated poorly in order to have a lapse of judgment and cheat on their SO. At the same time, I also don't think that a small argument would make someone throw everything away and become a complete slut. People are complicated, as are relationships. But so many NTR games follow a silly mold of how characters should behave based on silly choices in the game.

What you just described - I completely agree, though I can bear with this somewhat porn logic to some extent.
What I can't bear with in these NTR games is that it's sometimes just a matter of 1 click - whether LI goes full slut route or remain faithful.

I played one recently, it doesn't matter how you treated LI or what happened before in general - 1 click (decision to fuck her or not) and LI makes a full 180 from faithful GF to a cheating nymho, not only she cheats - she enjoys it... only because you didn't fuck her 1 time lol
oh well, it is what it is

 

[GetOutOfMyLab]

Hmm i disagree, i thought the arrangement of that one was pretty logical.

If Ann "hates" the MC then she'll invite the guys on her own after MC is asleep, and fuck them.
If Ann and MC are together then if MC chooses to sleep on the bed with her and shares it with one guy, she'll only fuck the guy (s) if MC explicitly suggests it to her. Otherwise she'll stop herself (or fuck MC if you go for this option)
If MC chooses to sleep on the couch and has Ann share the bed with two strangers then both the game and Ann take it as a signal MC wants to see her involved with them, and she does.

Sure, it would be nice if there was some talk between Ann and MC regarding this because otherwise it can appear very abrupt, but even without it there is some clear logic to it all.

The only thing that felt off in all this was what i mentioned before, that it all goes out of the window on the next day if you choose to give the guys a lift. But that seemed more like oversight/bug that didn't take into account Ann's earlier behavior even though it is one of the switch branches.

So you don't find it at all odd that if you've never shared Ann with anyone up to that point, that she just goes all out DP with two complete strangers? Just because she's sharing the bed with them? That whole setup is just... weird to me. Even inviting them in to stay is crazy. I get it... porn logic... but still. Also, there just was no build up... no excitement. It felt like a scene that was put there just to see Bobblehead get shared/fucked.

What you just described - I completely agree, though I can bear with this somewhat porn logic.
What I can't bear with in these NTR games is that it's sometimes just a matter of 1 click - whether LI goes full slut route or remain faithful.

I played one recently, it doesn't matter how you treated LI or what happened before in general - 1 click (decision to fuck her or not) and LI makes a full 180 from faithful GF to a cheating nymho, not only she cheats - she enjoys it... only because you didn't fuck her 1 time lol
oh well , it is what it is

Yeap, agree with everything you said here.

 

[ffive]

So you don't find it at all odd that if you've never shared Ann with anyone up to that point, that she just goes all out DP with two complete strangers? Just because she's sharing the bed with them? That whole setup is just... weird to me. Even inviting them in to stay is crazy. I get it... porn logic... but still. Also, there just was no build up... no excitement. It felt like a scene that was put there just to see Bobblehead get shared/fucked.

Like i said, it'd be much better if Ann and MC had some talk about this before they all go to sleep, to bridge this.

At the same time, like you note, the whole inviting guys in (and making Ann go invite them while in her underwear) is pretty outrageous, and realistically only something that'd be done by the player who does want to see Ann get fucked by those strangers. It is a porn game and we all could guess what the outcome of that would be. So, if the player chooses to invite them and then also chooses to have Ann share the bed with them (while opting to stay out himself) and then complains "but then she fucked those guys and i never saw that coming" it rings completely fake, tbh.

It honestly wouldn't surprise me if the dev largely presumed that this setup would only be picked by people who were into sharing Ann from the get-go, and so the need for any transition/warmup talk slipped their mind. There's always a possibility it'll be addressed and added in some later update, though.

 

[GetOutOfMyLab]

So if the player chooses to invite them and then also chooses to have Ann share the bed with them (while opting to stay out himself) and then complains "but then she fucked those guys and i never saw that coming" it ring completely fake, tbh.

Agree with this. I just think the whole scene could have been done way better.

It honestly wouldn't surprise me if the dev largely presumed that this setup would only be picked by people who were into sharing Ann from the get-go, and so the need for any transition/warmup talk slipped their mind. There's always a possibility it'll be addressed and added in some later update, though.

Always possible, indeed. He's done it before where he's changed/added dialogues to older scenes. There does seem to be enough people mentioning how the motel scene went that he might even change some things, though honestly, I just want this scene to go away lol. Too much time already spent on it.

 

[Pr0GamerJohnny]

Like i said, it'd be much better if Ann and MC had some talk about this before they all go to sleep, to bridge this.

At the same time, like you note, the whole inviting guys in (and making Ann go invite them while in her underwear) is pretty outrageous, and realistically only something that'd be done by the player who does want to see Ann get fucked by those strangers. It is a porn game and we all could guess what the outcome of that would be. So, if the player chooses to invite them and then also chooses to have Ann share the bed with them (while opting to stay out himself) and then complains "but then she fucked those guys and i never saw that coming" it rings completely fake, tbh.

It honestly wouldn't surprise me if the dev largely presumed that this setup would only be picked by people who were into sharing Ann from the get-go, and so the need for any transition/warmup talk slipped their mind. There's always a possibility it'll be addressed and added in some later update, though.

I assume you're referring to both 'weird paths' where this occurs - ann no-share and ann hate. I can't speak to the first, but on the second the entire scene is just bizarre. Why would MC even be in a hotel room with her?

Fine, she screws around, fucks both guys sideways out of sight of mc, great, why would he know (or even care?)

 

[GetOutOfMyLab]

I assume you're referring to both 'weird paths' where this occurs - ann no-share and ann hate. I can't speak to the first, but on the second the entire scene is just bizarre. Why would MC even be in a hotel room with her?

Fine, she screws around, fucks both guys sideways out of sight of mc, great, why would he know (or even care?)

I mean... I can understand not having much money, so easier to share a room...

But the obsessive monologue while she's slutting out with two strangers is weird. I'd either leave the room and sleep in the car or just try to sleep through it. Either way, as someone who actually hates Ann and want nothing to do with her on the Ann Hate path... it was disappointing to have to sit through that shit. And let's make no mistake about it... it was absolute shit.

 

[ffive]

I assume you're referring to both 'weird paths' where this occurs - ann no-share and ann hate. I can't speak to the first, but on the second the entire scene is just bizarre. Why would MC even be in a hotel room with her?

I think the "ann hate" is a bit of inaccurate internal naming the game uses, bleeding out and influencing players' perceptions -- Ann doesn't actually hate MC in this path. They are just acquaintances and MC made it clear that he isn't interested in being anything but that or "friends". So it's hardly odd that two acquaintances rent a single room while travelling to the same destination, especially when that room has two beds so they can stay away from each other.

 

[GetOutOfMyLab]

I think the "ann hate" is a bit of inaccurate internal naming the game uses, bleeding out and influencing players' perceptions -- Ann doesn't actually hate MC in this path. They are just acquaintances and MC made it clear that he isn't interested in being anything but that or "friends". So it's hardly odd that two acquaintances rent a single room while travelling to the same destination, especially when that room has two beds so they can stay away from each other.

Even the dev said it was named poorly. The are basically friends (it's even briefly discussed in this last update).

What makes it worse on this path, is that he still tries shoving her down our throats with choices to compliment her (and earn relationship points). And I'm sure in the next update, we'll have to watch her whore around with the director or another "actor".

 

[ffive]

What makes it worse on this path, is that he still tries shoving her down our throats with choices to compliment her (and earn relationship points).

To be fair, i think that as long as those are choices, it's a good thing -- one of my favorite aspects of these games is having more than one rigid point of entry/ending for any given romance (something e.g. ORS does to crazy degree) So having option for MC to not be initially into Ann but change his mind down the road for whatever reason would be pretty cool, and allow for additional variants of the narrative.

 

[GetOutOfMyLab]

To be fair, i think that as long as those are choices, it's a good thing -- one of my favorite aspects of these games is having more than one rigid point of entry/ending for any given romance (something e.g. ORS does to crazy degree) So having option for MC to not be initially into Ann but change his mind down the road for whatever reason would be pretty cool, and allow for additional variants of the narrative.

I do like having choices... but in this case, we've already turned her down. Why are we still dealing with that crap?

 

[Pr0GamerJohnny]

I think the "ann hate" is a bit of inaccurate internal naming the game uses, bleeding out and influencing players' perceptions -- Ann doesn't actually hate MC in this path. They are just acquaintances and MC made it clear that he isn't interested in being anything but that or "friends". So it's hardly odd that two acquaintances rent a single room while travelling to the same destination, especially when that room has two beds so they can stay away from each other.

Even the dev said it was named poorly. The are basically friends (it's even briefly discussed in this last update).

What makes it worse on this path, is that he still tries shoving her down our throats with choices to compliment her (and earn relationship points). And I'm sure in the next update, we'll have to watch her whore around with the director or another "actor".

As I know gooml is just as familiar as I am with every inch of the path, it's a weird set up all together. On one hand, yes, they're just 'friends'. On the other hand, it's quite clear the narrator/art-director goes out of his way to taunt the player with what shes up to with Chris or whatever, it doesn't "feel" like a just-friends girl you rejected, it feels like a director's exercise in ntr/cuckoldry/voyeurism.

Having 2 friends traveling together may not be weird, but bringing guys back to fuck in that room definitely is. In reality; we both know how that would play out if they were truly 2 platonic friends - Ann would say "ill be back later tonight"....and pay someone else's room a visit.

I want a path where you can truly treat Ann like a girl you're not interested in....errr because I'm not. You can easily shut Jenny or Alex out, even Emily's interactions are kept pretty short if you cold shoulder her. Ann's in your face 24/7.

 

[Deleted Member 69]

Why are we still dealing with that crap?

It's not as if she gets any hotter, am I right

 

[ffive]

I do like having choices... but in this case, we've already turned her down. Why are we still dealing with that crap?

Like i said, because people can be fickle and change their minds. It's perfectly possible not to be into someone initially but have them grow on you over time. And the point where MC is made to decide whether they like Ann or not is very early in the story, where we hardly know anything about her.

Not to mention it's the same with Vanessa -- the game repeatedly gives you various options to fuck her without any care that you have potentially turned her down on more than one occasion. Do you also resent it for that, and wish any and all options of sex with Vanessa were removed as soon as the player tells her no at their first opportunity, because we've already turned her down? Personally, i think the game would be poorer for it.

 

[Finuee]

To be fair, i think that as long as those are choices, it's a good thing -- one of my favorite aspects of these games is having more than one rigid point of entry/ending for any given romance (something e.g. ORS does to crazy degree) So having option for MC to not be initially into Ann but change his mind down the road for whatever reason would be pretty cool, and allow for additional variants of the narrative.

That's indeed a rather interesting thing. As you said, it's often a single "point of entry" into a path, so this would be a refreshing novelty.

 

[GetOutOfMyLab]

Like i said, because people can be fickle and change their minds. It's perfectly possible not to be into someone initially but have them grow on you over time. And the point where MC is made to decide whether they like Ann or not is very early in the story, where we hardly know anything about her.

Not to mention it's the same with Vanessa -- the game repeatedly gives you various options to fuck her without any care that you have potentially turned her down on more than one occasion. Do you also resent it for that, and wish any and all options of sex with Vanessa were removed as soon as the player tells her no at their first opportunity, because we've already turned her down? Personally, i think the game would be poorer for it.

Being honest, I can't stand Vanessa either. She's another one that is constantly in our faces. Not even safe from her in our own home which she just invites herself into whenever the fuck she wants. So yes, at some point earlier on, I'd like to be able to tell her to stop pestering me with her advances. Doesn't necessarily have to be on the first choice, but at least so we're not constantly prompted to do shit with her. I do not think choice like that would make the game poorer. Sure, people can be fickle.. and yes, people might change their minds... but not if they don't find someone attractive.

 

[Dogorti]

Bobblehead will pay for her crimes to the AVNs community some day.

 

[EroPulse]

What you just described - I completely agree, though I can bear with this somewhat porn logic to some extent.
What I can't bear with in these NTR games is that it's sometimes just a matter of 1 click - whether LI goes full slut route or remain faithful.

I played one recently, it doesn't matter how you treated LI or what happened before in general - 1 click (decision to fuck her or not) and LI makes a full 180 from faithful GF to a cheating nymho, not only she cheats - she enjoys it... only because you didn't fuck her 1 time lol
oh well, it is what it is

I agree as well. Games that do this are very annoying and the sudden character change doesn't make sense.

The game you're describing here reminds me of Lustful Voyage? Where no matter if you were faithful the full way through and didn't select any NTR options for her with the fisherman, if you deny her sex that one time (granted, yes, it's an NTR selection) that she goes full slut mode? I was super disappointed in that scene. I would have preferred if it started her on that path with teasing or touching during the sparring. What happened there, based on the fact you deny her once, despite the loyal options and how "in love" she is with the MC made no fucking sense and nearly ruined that game for me for any build up to NTR.

 

[GetOutOfMyLab]

I agree as well. Games that do this are very annoying and the sudden character change doesn't make sense.

The game you're describing here reminds me of Lustful Voyage? Where no matter if you were faithful the full way through and didn't select any NTR options for her with the fisherman, if you deny her sex that one time (granted, yes, it's an NTR selection) that she goes full slut mode? I was super disappointed in that scene. I would have preferred if it started her on that path with teasing or touching during the sparring. What happened there, based on the fact you deny her once, despite the loyal options and how "in love" she is with the MC made no fucking sense and nearly ruined that game for me for any build up to NTR.

You can't take that game seriously. It's an NTR lover's wet dream. Those beautiful models are wasted on such a piss-poor story and porn-logic scenes.