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FatYoda

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No lesbian content? pics look like maybe...but no tag.

Edit: There is clearly going to be lesbian content/paths. I guess it's just too early to slap a tag up.

Edit: Is the content supposed to end after the unexpected package the morning after the party? It just went back to the menu without any warning and didn't let me save...i'm going to have to start over...and it seems weird that the content would be over because apparently the game is about Rose and Roman...whom i haven't even met yet.
 
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Making a game involves work on far more than just pictures -- design, writing, coding, testing, bug fixing. As long as they do these parts themselves, they're still putting in work that's worth something.

Also, throwing around AI accusations can get pretty silly. There's more than one game where people complained about art simply because it used the style that the slop makers rip off most often.
Using Gen-AI is like plagiarizing your work in school. Even if it's only the bibliography page, once it's found out that you didn't do the work yourself that you're claiming credit for, everything else is suspect. It's why plagiarism is so verboten. It will get you kicked out of higher education. Do you want to be seen by a physician who didn't do their own work and faked their doctoral thesis? No. No you do not, and anyone who says otherwise is a liar or suicidal.

When you see Gen-AI, your response should not be 'Oh, well at least they're doing all of the other work.' Rather it should be 'What else are they offloading onto the magic plagiarism black-box and trying to take credit for?'
 

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Using Gen-AI is like plagiarizing your work in school. (...)
What about using other people's 3d models in your renders? Textures, poses and/or animations? That's also using someone else's work, often without any credit. What about tracing real pictures, or plain ripping off real porn for graphics in one's game? Sound effects and/or music? Code libraries or even snippets taken from other sources and changed a little to fit the new purpose?

A lot of games you see here can be charged with at least one of those. But it doesn't make you automatically presume that because some of the content in the game isn't theirs, then nothing in those games is the author's own work, does it?

For that matter you also don't really see people complaining about those other cases of "plagiarism", funnily enough. I suspect AI complaints will go away eventually too, once the use is more normalized. Also when more people find themselves using it too in some shape, what with the phones sticking it in every app they can today.

Are you serious? What part of "not being open about the use" was unclear. Thats a you problem on comprehension buddy.
You know, you're actually right. I did completely overlook the "open" in the "public and temp stop gap" part of what you said. For some reason i've focused only on the latter part of it. Sorry about it, seriously.
 

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What about using other people's 3d models in your renders? Textures, poses and/or animations? That's also using someone else's work, often without any credit.
Depends. Daz-3D explicitly grants the end user to generate two-dimensional images from their content, even for commercial use. Other sources, like Illusion games or Virt-a-mate, absolutely violate the end user agreement of their software. You get around that by having a Patreon, and posting your work for free to the public. You aren't exchanging the derivative work itself for profit. Rather the work is free and thus non-commercial, falls under the umbrella of protected fair-use, and effectively acts as a advert for said Patreon.

Plus, when you see Koikatsu or Honey Select images you can recognize them as such, and nobody is posting those images as their own and claiming 'yeah, I am singularly responsible for all of that!'


What about tracing real pictures, or plain ripping off real porn for graphics in one's game?
If you want to actually digitally paint over someone else's landscape photograph? Have at it. That's transformative. It gets protected under fair-use. Using the magical plagiarism black box, itself a commercial product created by strip-mining the internet for copyrighted material it has not right to, does not. Stop being obtuse.


Sound effects and/or music? Code libraries or even snippets taken from other sources and changed a little to fit the new purpose?
Libraries of these assets exist for free, and you can find version that allow for commercial use. So long as you're honest about it, that's all perfectly above board. The same cannot be said about plagiarizing content through third-party software (i.e. Gen-AI).


A lot of games you see here can be charged with at least one of those. But it doesn't make you automatically presume that because some of the content in the game isn't theirs, then nothing in those games is the author's own work, does it?
Again, you're being obtuse. If you see a game with real-porn images, there is ZERO pretense that the game creator was the photographer responsible for taking those images or has the rights to them. You cannot post a game with real-porn images on Steam. The artistry and creativity in that use case derives from how well the dev can incorporate such real-porn imagery into their games. There are people much better and much worse at it. Some are super lazy and just put rows of random animated GIF's in their HTML grind-fest sandbox, where no image relates to or consistently represents a singular character. While others put in the effort to source their images consistently, will try to attach characters to specific real-porn actors, and be creative in writing and designing scene where different characters interact to work within the confines of the pre-existing images.

So yeah, when I see Honey Studio generated images, I can judge them on the basis of how well the dev is using those assets and that toolbox. Honey Studio won't smash characters together, pose them, light the scene, and export it for you as an image the way Gen-AI does with a text prompt. So if they're putting in the effort to get good Honey Select renders, I don't have a reason to be suspicions of their writing; since they're already demonstrating effort and competence. If you'll notice, this is the polar opposite of using Gen-AI. One is using a toolbox with varying levels of skill, and the other is digital plagiarism slurry.


For that matter you also don't really see people complaining about those other cases of "plagiarism", funnily enough. I suspect AI complaints will go away eventually too, once the use is more normalized. Also when more people find themselves using it too in some shape, what with the phones sticking it in every app they can today.
God, I hope your next doctor visit is with one who faked their med school work and doctoral thesis with Chat-GPT...
 
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Making a game involves work on far more than just pictures -- design, writing, coding, testing, bug fixing. As long as they do these parts themselves, they're still putting in work that's worth something.

Also, throwing around AI accusations can get pretty silly. There's more than one game where people complained about art simply because it used the style that the slop makers rip off most often.
Making a game the classic way involves far more work than just pictures. This statement used to be true, but it's quite false today.
Designing and writing a game can be accomplished with any large language model (LLM)—the better the LLM, the better the story. LLMs have also been used for coding successfully for a while now, and they're only getting better.
So no, I no longer agree with your statement.
On the other hand, I seem to like AI gened stuff better than most artists' work so I have no issues against AI, on the contrary.
 
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You know, you're actually right. I did completely overlook the "open" in the "public and temp stop gap" part of what you said. For some reason i've focused only on the latter part of it. Sorry about it, seriously.
It's cool. I personally deeply dislike AI but my real issue is when devs dont tell the players and supporters about it because it undermines my trust in their ability to do good work if they lie about taking shortcuts.
 
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What about using other people's 3d models in your renders? Textures, poses and/or animations? That's also using someone else's work, often without any credit. What about tracing real pictures, or plain ripping off real porn for graphics in one's game? Sound effects and/or music? Code libraries or even snippets taken from other sources and changed a little to fit the new purpose?
Are you really trying to say that people who pay artists to use their work are the same as the giant corporations who don't even have the decency to ask to use their work and just outright steal their work? That's a ridiculous comparison.

That'd be no different from saying Bungie did nothing wrong when they completely ripped off that artist for Marathon.
 

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Plus, when you see Koikatsu or Honey Select images you can recognize them as such, and nobody is posting those images as their own and claiming 'yeah, I am singularly responsible for all of that!'

(...)

Again, you're being obtuse. If you see a game with real-porn images, there is ZERO pretense that the game creator was the photographer responsible for taking those images or has the rights to them. You cannot post a game with real-porn images on Steam.
Well, i think i'm just confused now. Was your complaint about people who use AI generators specifically deceiving their buyers with claims that the art is done by them manually? Or were you complaining about the use of AI generators at all, because it supposedly means the person didn't do any work to get those images done?

The way you've formed your initial message seemed to imply the latter, and the former seems pretty silly when at the same time supposedly the AI slop is so easy to spot, not unlike the other usual source of images in porn games for that matter. I mean, how is it deceiving anyone when people are jumping up and down and screaming, "That's AI, i know it's AI, from the pixels and from having seen enough slop in my time!"

So yeah, when I see Honey Studio generated images, I can judge them on the basis of how well the dev is using those assets and that toolbox. Honey Studio won't smash characters together, pose them, light the scene, and export it for you as an image the way Gen-AI does with a text prompt. So if they're putting in the effort to get good Honey Select renders, I don't have a reason to be suspicions of their writing; since they're already demonstrating effort and competence. If you'll notice, this is the polar opposite of using Gen-AI. One is using a toolbox with varying levels of skill, and the other is digital plagiarism slurry.
With statements like this, what i notice is that you seem to have no real idea about this subject. AI generators are also toolboxes; what you get out of them can be just as much of a skill issue, as is the end result that ends up in the game. Effort and competence (or lack thereof) can be quite noticeable with them, too.

God, I hope your next doctor visit is with one who faked their med school work and doctoral thesis with Chat-GPT...
And i hope you one day grow up past this sort of vicious stupidity. But i'm not holding my breath.

Are you really trying to say that people who pay artists to use their work are the same as the giant corporations who don't even have the decency to ask to use their work and just outright steal their work? That's a ridiculous comparison.
No, of course it's not what i'm saying. How did you even arrive to such conclusion?
 

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Game just exits after she receives the "gift" the morning after the party. OP description said there was sexual content...there is not. I've played it through twice now with different choices and different games at the party and it ended up the same...no sexy time of any kind.
 
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Game just exits after she receives the "gift" the morning after the party. OP description said there was sexual content...there is not. I've played it through twice now with different choices and different games at the party and it ended up the same...no sexy time of any kind.
Did you even read the comments? The previous version had a sexual content before the game's makeover with an AI.
 

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Did you even read the comments? The previous version had a sexual content before the game's makeover with an AI.
I did see that it had an AI makeover...but i didn't see anything saying that the sex had been removed. Why would i think they had removed sex in a remake? The sex statement clearly states there is now sex in the beta...this is beta...why would i think it's not there.
 

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It's not really a makeover so much as a completely different game with the same name.

When I glanced through the old discord I could see that the original creators had their accounts deleted and the last time any kind of community outreach had been attempted was in 2023.

I'm fairly certain the original team just realised making a game like this and maintaining a community were larger tasks than they were able to maintain by themselves, so they sold off the small following they had accumulated. Perhaps the old team split up, perhaps they decided to try their hand at something else. In a way this is kind of similar to how some people will farm karme with reddit accounts or get a youtube channel to 1000 subscribers before selling it off to some media company elsewhere in the world.
 

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Well, i think i'm just confused now. Was your complaint about people who use AI generators specifically deceiving their buyers with claims that the art is done by them manually? Or were you complaining about the use of AI generators at all, because it supposedly means the person didn't do any work to get those images done?
Scammers use the path of least resistance. If Gen-AI gives them a way to cheaply and easily churn out slop that looks good enough to fool horney dipshits on the internet, they'll do it. Before they would have just directly stolen artwork. Now, they can do so be degrees of separation; the Gen-AI developers already did all of the theft for them. Now they can just prompt a program to spit out 'Garfield with tits holding a gun', and with zero effort on their part, get pretty much exactly what they want.

Again, when you see Gen-AI, your response should be 'what else did they not do, yet are trying to take credit for?' They've crossed that line, demonstrated that they're perfectly alright with plagiarism (even by degrees) for their own benefit. It's bad taste enough if they did so for free. But when they're then also trying to sell it to you and profit off of that? Again, every neuron in your brain should be firing off and warning you that it's busllhit and you are being scammed. That they're not just belies your own susceptibility to bullshit. You will get scammed, and more than likely, you will thank them for the privilege.


The way you've formed your initial message seemed to imply the latter, and the former seems pretty silly when at the same time supposedly the AI slop is so easy to spot, not unlike the other usual source of images in porn games for that matter. I mean, how is it deceiving anyone when people are jumping up and down and screaming, "That's AI, i know it's AI, from the pixels and from having seen enough slop in my time!"
It can be both, but I'm not surprised that you're incapable of understanding nuance or grappling with more than one point at a time. It's almost like one of us actually appreciates genuine effort and artistic integrity, and the other is fine with zero-effort slop built off the backs of such effort, which exists only to benefit silicon valley tech-bros and venture capitalist ghouls in their never-ending search for limitless growth and profits.

Machines and automation are supposed to make our lives better, by streamlining the drudge work, allowing for more time and effort to be put into art and leisure. Now they're automating the art and leisure, leaving more time for you to do their drudge work. Buckle up buttercup, that what you're asking for.


With statements like this, what i notice is that you seem to have no real idea about this subject. AI generators are also toolboxes; what you get out of them can be just as much of a skill issue, as is the end result that ends up in the game. Effort and competence (or lack thereof) can be quite noticeable with them, too.
I'm sorry, wot mate? When you hire an artist to do work for you, are they just a toolbox? Is an art director in charge of a team of artist who directs them and at most gives minor feedback about the work they each individually do, the actual creative force responsible for their output? Do art commissioners get to take credit for the art they hire people to do for them? No? Then fuck off.

When you prompt a Gen-AI program, at best you an commissioner giving pointers to the artist you hired to do the work for you. Gen-AI is not a 'tool' in the way a brush, a camera, or image manipulation software is. That you cannot, or will not, see the difference there is telling of your own ignorance of art as a whole and this subject in particular. Project much?


And i hope you one day grow up past this sort of vicious stupidity. But i'm not holding my breath.
Ah, so Gen-AI is kosher for faking artistic integrity, but you're too much of a coward to back it up and take the plunge of real consequences for the future you wanted where Gen-AI has fully integrated and become normalized. Color me not surprised...
 
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Initial thoughts from someone who didn't play the old/previous version:
• as a demo/proof of concept I'm not mad at this, could be interesting.
• I don't mind the AI art, looks above average.
• the art style in the videos look completely different from the cgs/sprites which breaks immersion. The video style looks pretty terrible imho.
• from what I read the MC used to have a bf, too bad they changed that since that would be a possible point tension.
• with so many attractive female npcs it would have been more interesting to play as a male protag...

Best of luck
 
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Hello, for anyone that joins the conversation past this point I'm writing this comment after reading some of the thoughts that have been posted during the last days. After this comment, I'll do my best to read all the previous comments and try to reply as much as possible. But really quickly I've talked about this in another post (yes I know, I fucked up with the multi-thread) and you can read more about it here: https://f95zone.to/threads/we-never-left-we-evolved.252128/post-16817249

We are not a different studio, or sold out, or any other similar theory. The project had to go on hold because it was a passion project that needed more resources than those we could use (time, budget, experience...). We do not try to hide from the use of AI in the art, and only in the art. Everything else has been done completly by hand. And as I tried my best to explain in the link above, we are trying to make a decent use of it as a tool and not as a worker, we have two artists that are doing their best to improve each day and we use our own art as a basis of it all.

About the missing or not missing tags, let me read everything and I'll try to fix it. Same for the download links, I put the beta FREE for anyone on our Patreon to not have to manage more accounts, and platforms, and whatever. I had no idea, even then, some people might have trouble accessing it, so let me look into it and I'll try to have it on Mega or something similar ASAP.

Now, I'll try to look through every comment and as always if you want to give us a chance we'd love any kind of constructive feedback, if not we understand your stance regarding the use of AI and the multiple fuck ups learning how to use this platform. All I can say is that we are trying our best and we aren't some shady multi billion company trying to be cheap.
 
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It's still annoying not having real links. I have a backlog and I like to have the backlog neatly sorted in order on Jdownloader2 which means I would need a proper link.
Hopefully a uploader gets it sorted for us if not, then for next update hopefully.
I'll try to have a Mega link ready today
 
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