VN Ren'Py Abandoned Love and Submission [v0.08] [veqvil]

[Ayhsel]

I really enjoyed the game so far. It's a bit worrying with all different routes though. It feels like if all the current routes will get content there will be 1 year of development and no story progression, and the story will take a backseat to the kinks. I'm fairly vanilla so all the different routes does nothing for me, so it's a shame if the game becomes a kink-focus game rather than a game that focus on the story (with some kinks thrown in). Anyways; good job so far! And I hope my fears are unfounded.

I am also worried about that. There are several girls and some have several routes which can really slow down the overall story progress, which is what matters to me. The potential curse of dimensionality is very big. Don't get me wrong I love the diversity, but when the game tree is too broad, is hard to make it grow large too.

I found the game almost by chance, having no idea what to expect, and it was the Barons and the supernatural story what won me over. I mean it is always nice the usual incest/corruption family stuff but it is not what I care about here.

I want to know about the Baron sisters, their mother, my future father/brother in law (Sara is really hot!!!) and all that. I also want to know about the MC's past and potential powers. I think that Dev has in his hand a potential real gem with this game, if he would focus more into that aspect, with not just MC developing his powers but furthering developing the whole powerful race society and potential power struggles there. That is, a whole story about MC discovering his origins and living as an inmortal and the consequences such an existence bring to other immortals.

Game is called "Love and Submission", though, so I guess it is a whole package deal. Hopefully, Dev will manage to develop all content.

 

[BuddhaOnaDiet]

I bet you even like to kiss em just on the mouth, you make me sick you filthy casual

Kissing? How brazen... Handholding is naughty enough, thank you very much.

 

[BuddhaOnaDiet]

I am also worried about that. There are several girls and some have several routes which can really slow down the overall story progress, which is what matter to me. The potential curse of dimensionality is very big. Don't get me wrong I love the diversity, but when the tree is too broad, is hard to make it grow large too.

I found the game almost by chance, having no idea what to expect, and it was the Barons and the supernatural story what won me over. I mean it is always nice the usual incest/corruption family stuff but it is not what I care about here.

I want to know about the Baron sisters, their mother, my future father/brother in law (Sara is really hot!!!) and all that. I also want to know about the MC's past and potential powers. But more over, I think that Dev has in his hand a potential real gem with this game, if he would focus more into that aspect, with not just MC developing his powers but furthering developing the whole powerful race society and potential power struggles there. That is, a whole story about MC discovering his origins and living as an inmortal and the consequences such an existence bring to other immortals.

Game is called "Love and Submission", though, so I guess it is a whole package deal. Hopefully, Dev will manage to develop all content.

Yeah, I wholeheartedly agree. Creating too many routes makes finishing the game unrealistic, unless the plan is to have it finished in like 5 years time. I'm here for the story, so I hope that will be the focus. The dev should just add the kinks he wants to the story, and perhaps make the more "controversial" ones avoidable.

 

[Moose_Tracks]

I really enjoyed the game so far. It's a bit worrying with all different routes though. It feels like if all the current routes will get content there will be 1 year of development and no story progression, and the story will take a backseat to the kinks. I'm fairly vanilla so all the different routes does nothing for me, so it's a shame if the game becomes a kink-focus game rather than a game that focus on the story (with some kinks thrown in). Anyways; good job so far! And I hope my fears are unfounded.

I am also worried about that. There are several girls and some have several routes which can really slow down the overall story progress, which is what matter to me. The potential curse of dimensionality is very big. Don't get me wrong I love the diversity, but when the tree is too broad, is hard to make it grow large too.

I found the game almost by chance, having no idea what to expect, and it was the Barons and the supernatural story what won me over. I mean it is always nice the usual incest/corruption family stuff but it is not what I care about here.

I want to know about the Baron sisters, their mother, my future father/brother in law (Sara is really hot!!!) and all that. I also want to know about the MC's past and potential powers. But more over, I think that Dev has in his hand a potential real gem with this game, if he would focus more into that aspect, with not just MC developing his powers but furthering developing the whole powerful race society and potential power struggles there. That is, a whole story about MC discovering his origins and living as an inmortal and the consequences such an existence bring to other immortals.

Game is called "Love and Submission", though, so I guess it is a whole package deal. Hopefully, Dev will manage to develop all content.

Rest assured there is still a metric ton of story related elements for us to uncover. We haven't even begun to scratch the surface of what this plot entails. I understand the concerns over all the differing kinks/routes there are to explore and how they might overpower other elements of the game, but what we get to see is voted on by the patrons which means some paths might never see the light of day if they prove unpopular. Also, this coming release will be titled 0.08.5, meaning the focus will lean more heavily on the characters/lewd actions. 0.08 was more story focused, and 0.09 will follow suit. The trend suggests there will be a 0.09.5 (more relationship/lewds) in the future, but I think this is open to how well received this coming release will be viewed by all the fans of the game.

As for the source of where I came upon this information... I'll I can say is he seems to be a reliable German fellow

 

[LokiTime]

God, veqvil is back !! Welcome back ! Seriously missed L&S! Hope you are fine btw.
This game has the best story i ever played in a porn game, and even the lack of sex in it is not a problem for me, i really play it for the story First. So it was not a problem to replay it 4 times for diff paths!

Again, welcome back!!!
And yes, wish you the best and to stay around us!

 

[V&M]

My fear is that with so many possibilities, we get attached to the characters, and when faced with an NTR or something like that, they've been there, and it's really boring and frustrating.
I have nothing against those who like this, but I prefer to go far.
Sometimes it can be avoided, but for me, if I have what I don't like about the game (even avoidable) it takes away all the shine that it could have.
I hope this game doesn't go that way, and if it does, I think it would be fair for Dev to put these tags on as soon as possible, as things that will be in the game in the future.

 

[Carpe Stultus]

I love it how people always smell NTR just because there are other male characters in a VN.

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[V&M]

I love it how people always smell NTR just because there are other male characters in a VN.

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It probably was for me, but let me clarify one thing, at no time did I say I would.
But it's a trend, this NTR shit sells well, just look at the homepage here, every day games with that appear, and sometimes games that don't have it, they just put this shit on.
I have nothing against it, I just don't like it and that's it.
My intention was not to offend anyone, it just occurred to me that doubt, and if Dev happened to read this one day, I wish he could solve that doubt, it was in that intention that I posted here.

 

[Carpe Stultus]

There is not a single hint of NTR in the game. It blows really my mind how someone can see NTR in every game just because a handfull of dev's put it in their games all of the sudden.

 

[V&M]

There is not a single hint of NTR in the game. It blows really my mind how someone can see NTR in every game just because a handfull of dev's put it in their games all of the sudden.

Okay, okay, man, forget it, go see something else.

 

[KeiNineX]

There is not a single hint of NTR in the game. It blows really my mind how someone can see NTR in every game just because a handfull of dev's put it in their games all of the sudden.

I mean there is Carol sucking guys dick if you choose voyer path. So maybe just a little hint.

 

[MOZ.]

HI;
how can i remove the black window? tnx

 

[Ayhsel]

I mean, you can put always NTR out of the blue , cheating and stuff is common in real life. But let us analyse it systematically according to what we know about their personalities. I have not read all routes yet though, so I may be wrong. Please somebody correct me if that is the case.

There will be SPOILERS so read at your own will.

HUMANS
Mother, sister and ex girlfriend seem to be totally smitten by the MC almost from the beginning, with hardly any effort whatsoever (one of the reasons so far I don't care about them). I know there is some voyeur path with the Mother, but it looked to me one of your very first choices is given to the player to disable that
Lily is totally out of the picture too. She has her own problems related to getting close to people and my guess is that as MC helps her with that she clearly falls in love with him, if she is not already as there were some hints.
Jenn seems to not care about anything at all. While you could impose a NTR route with her, you would need to justify why that specific guy or situation triggers her interest. For now this may be the biggest candidate because we know very little about her.

INMORTALS
Mira and Caitlin have a potential very restricted pool of applicants, more like inmortal ones only. While NTR could happen with one of them, their personalities really don't seen to show any potential possibility. Mira is too uptight for that at all and Caitlin, while flirtatious enough that could suggest she may give an opening to other guys, it really does not look that way, as she seem more than interested in MC, at least in the route I read.
Sara seem to be the type of very hard to get woman. My guess is that her route will probably be one of the hardest to actually romance, as, let's face it, she is totally out of reach. Not only she is old and wise, she most likely see us as a child. It will really depend I guess on MC's powers and more. But honestly does not seem to be the kind of character to cheat or anything. Seems more like hardly anyone would be to her standards. But it could be my guess.

Honestly, I am totally biased when talking about the Baron girls, but I did try to be objective in what I know about them.

The way I see it, NTR seems very unlikely, so I would not worry that much for now.

I personally don't care and if Dev decided to include it as long as it make sense from a point of view of the story, I'm good. I mean, a situation in which you can fuck every girl with no consequences whatsoever and everybody is happy to share you sounds usually like bullshit to me, at least most of the time. I could understand it for a submissive character as the sister, but Sara would probably outright kill you. So if you act like a douche, I would expect at least some characters to react to that, maybe cheating on you, breaking up with you, killing, plotting revenge and stuff. After all, in real life, choices have consequences, right?
So as long as it is something that depends on MC choices, fine by me. I would dislike it if NTR is just forced for the sake of making an audience happy. After all you are a nice, attractive and interesting guy and you clearly care about your women. Forcing that they cheat out of the blue sounds totally against character as I explained above. So yes, if it is forced like that I would dislike it, the same way I would dislike a total fuckfest for the MC for the same reason.

 

[BuddhaOnaDiet]

It probably was for me, but let me clarify one thing, at no time did I say I would.
But it's a trend, this NTR shit sells well, just look at the homepage here, every day games with that appear, and sometimes games that don't have it, they just put this shit on.
I have nothing against it, I just don't like it and that's it.
My intention was not to offend anyone, it just occurred to me that doubt, and if Dev happened to read this one day, I wish he could solve that doubt, it was in that intention that I posted here.

Well, it sells, and it doesn't. Look at the top100 most popular games on F95 and see how many of them have forced NTR. There is a minority that really likes it, another minority(me being one) that absolutely hate it, then there is the majority that dislike it and then there are those that don't care either way(my theory is that they aren't very emotionally invested when they play). But from a monetary standpoint it's smarter to stay away, a lot of people won't touch games with NTR-tag, forced or not.

 

[KROM95]

Any news about update ?

 

[Milflover68]

The thing is this is not just about NTR it is about which character is in NTR/Voyeure/cuck scene. majority of people don't like Voyeure/cuckold/ntr routes with the Motherly figures of the games. Even if these routes are avoidable. Knowing that these routes exists in the game and the MOM will take another dudes cock is very disappointing. Even if I am playing the love or domination route the very thought that this woman behaves like a slut in another route and she have this kind of character trait brothers me. What I'm trying to say is these routes(even if it is avoidable) sucks the joy out of the love routes with MOM. I don't mind if the avoidable ntr/cuckold route is with girlfriend or any random girl . But if it is with the Mother or family members then it is a big No No for me.

 

[Uriel ☁]

If you're concerned about NTR being included in the game why don't you search where the dev stand on the issue in this thread? Just search "ntr", filter by this thread and by author "veqvil" and you'll find all the post by the dev about it.

A quick search got me this:

In terms of NTR there isn't any and never will be

 

[V&M]

The thing is this is not just about NTR it is about which character is in NTR/Voyeure/cuck scene. majority of people don't like Voyeure/cuckold/ntr routes with the Motherly figures of the games. Even if these routes are avoidable. Knowing that these routes exists in the game and the MOM will take another dudes cock is very disappointing. Even if I am playing the love or domination route the very thought that this woman behaves like a slut in another route and she have this kind of character trait brothers me. What I'm trying to say is these routes(even if it is avoidable) sucks the joy out of the love routes with MOM. I don't mind if the avoidable ntr/cuckold route is with girlfriend or any random girl . But if it is with the Mother or family members then it is a big No No for me.

Phew, until finally someone who thinks like me, even avoidable, for me the game loses its luster, its grace.
But I will stop commenting on this, before a moderator deletes another post of mine saying "off topic".
This is one of the things that I find boring on this site, they make 10,000 posts asking for NTR in game that doesn't have that, but when we made just one post defending our point of view, it is simply excluded.

 

[Milflover68]

If you're concerned about NTR being included in the game why don't you search where the dev stand on the issue in this thread? Just search "ntr", filter by this thread and by author "veqvil" and you'll find all the post by the dev about it.

A quick search got me this:

I'm assuming your reply was directed towards me. I know the pov of dev about the ntr . And when did I claimed there is ntr in this game?
I was talking about cuckold/Voyeure/ntr routes in general(not only just ntr) and how it bothers me.
And I clearly remember there is a Voyeure route for mom so my comment was very much relevant.

 

[Jstforme]

I see some people talking about Love and domination routs...as far as I could tell, there is ONLY a love route. There are one or two times the MC has the dialog for domination, but it's downplayed by a "haha, just kidding".
Is domination even going to be included in the game? Or is it referring to the MC choosing to be dominated, or choosing to love??

Edit: I played the game twice to test it out, not choosing the love option just means less scenes and opportunities...nothing domination related otherwise.