You think it's creepy that I want MC and Lacey to have a happy honeymoon? Weird
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He just a troll. Better to move on.
duckydoodoo
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i dont know how to do the multi-quote thing so gonna skip that part
why should MC continue to suffer Lacey? even if he loves her, the poor guy needs to learn to live without her, you know like she did in college. his entire personality and being is Lacey's support animal.
more importantly, the only reason everyone is so engaged in this drama is the drama. nothing happy or good happened in act 1 and here everyone is speculating on act 3. the drama is what captivated everyones interest. so people shipping MC and Lacey is creepy to me.
if that makes me a troll, it makes me an honest and dashing troll. but not in the creepy beauty's stockholm syndrome love for the beast way. more like Ron Pearlman's beast starring beside Linda Hamilton from the 80s Beauty and the Beast tv series... admittedly i only watched the tv series cause my childhood crush on Linda Hamilton from the first terminator movie.
why should MC continue to suffer Lacey? even if he loves her, the poor guy needs to learn to live without her, you know like she did in college. his entire personality and being is Lacey's support animal.
more importantly, the only reason everyone is so engaged in this drama is the drama. nothing happy or good happened in act 1 and here everyone is speculating on act 3. the drama is what captivated everyones interest. so people shipping MC and Lacey is creepy to me.
if that makes me a troll, it makes me an honest and dashing troll. but not in the creepy beauty's stockholm syndrome love for the beast way. more like Ron Pearlman's beast starring beside Linda Hamilton from the 80s Beauty and the Beast tv series... admittedly i only watched the tv series cause my childhood crush on Linda Hamilton from the first terminator movie.
Assuming you aren't being a troll, then here's an actual response
1.) I don't think anyone wants an absence of drama completely. I have expressed a desire for MC and Lacey to have a happy honeymoon, but I've also expressed a desire for drama to be injected into it. It is normal to want two things that are mutually exclusive
2.) MC probably should leave Lacey from an objective point of view. However, given that MC has chosen to try to make things work with Lacey, then it's weird that you would think it's creepy to hope that Lacey can successfully move past her narcissism and that they can be happy together. Why would MC leave her right now when Lacey is making steps forward to help manage her narcissism and addiction issues?
3.) Your comments are very subjective. Of course things between Lacey and MC can eventually be healthy and happy. Maybe you could never be happy or recover from that situation, but MC can, and they can have a healthy relationship. However, they clearly need therapy, and they need to work through their issues before they can have that happiness.
Saphfire
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Realistically the vegas trip is just two full days plus traveltime. Would it really be bad if they were just having a nice anniversary?
Let them have two days without any drama for once.....
Let them have two days without any drama for once.....
If therapy means brainwashing and accepting the fact that the MC is a pathetic cuck with no sense of self-worth then maybe they can live in a very 'healthy' relationship.
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It would be interesting to incorporate Lacey suspecting MC cheating on her. Forged photos or fake calls. That would create tension and could result in many interesting dialogs. Lacey breaking down, needing some time "alone", MC worrying if she'd do something as a revenge. Dialogs about whether there is something as justified cheating since.. well Lacey.
The issue with this is that it would clash with the current Lacey act 2 evolution.
She just learned that honest communication is and will be a better solution than scheming or hiding away.
If you think about her character traits (and MC character traits) this really doesn't fit:
- Lacey will always give some benefit of the doubt to MC (I know she didn't with the messages) or let him do it since she actually wants him to "make new experiences".
She wants the "love experiment", she pushes MC to kiss Anna (we will see how that goes) which is a BIG thing for him.
- MC is always portrayed as a "gentleman" (if you ignore his appalling behaviour with bethany and jeanette) and without the right push he would never go over the line, we see it with Veronica and Christine for example.
Unless the author decided to do a 180° on his character, as he does it for several other characters in act 2 to be fair, I don't see him "cheating" at this stage.
What could happen and would probably fit your thirst, is that MC is pushed or eased in having sex with someone else (3p works here as well) but Lacey is having increasing issues in dealing with it, feels her control over the situation slip, and spirals because she can visualize MC being happier with someone else.
She would start getting jealous about the emotional connection and feel sidelined, which would cause her to react, either by attacking the LI or doing something stupid (not act 1 stupid I hope we moved away from those heights) to get MC attention.
The thing is, even if we separate our own feelings, it would be a GREAT change of pace, we never experienced or seen anything like that in the game.
Act 1 is shock value event after the other, 70's/80's shoujo manga style, small, forced resolutions that eventually lead into another shock event.
Act 2 is a bit more tame, but you see the same pattern, and even the KW which could have been a good moment with some anger about the past, which could spoil it but would lead to a more meaningful exploration of the past and direct and honest conversations HAD to end with the big shock value moment.
So Act 3 having a "nice" moment, would be "subverting my expectations"
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I am also one that just want them to get through this. It is in fact the premise of the story per DEV. I personally don't like all the drama, I have enough in RL. These stories NORMALLY are a stress reliever but this one has created so much more. I just want to see it though hopefully with a good ending.
The past will definitely always be there, but the only person in the world that would have stayed with Lacey is MC, because of how invested he is in her from 6yo. Not one person from any 3rd party site with this story would have stayed with her.
I sure stuff will happen in Vegas, I do like the MC having a first with Lacey in the plane but we all know how that has gone for MC. As for Stephen running into them, that would definitely be a brake point for MC because she cared for him and it was a one on one.
The past will definitely always be there, but the only person in the world that would have stayed with Lacey is MC, because of how invested he is in her from 6yo. Not one person from any 3rd party site with this story would have stayed with her.
I sure stuff will happen in Vegas, I do like the MC having a first with Lacey in the plane but we all know how that has gone for MC. As for Stephen running into them, that would definitely be a brake point for MC because she cared for him and it was a one on one.
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No, objectively, they cannot. And you even say that in your 2). No therapy can help when they are both each other's drug and enabler. It's like going to rehab while still using. Lacey is still the same controlling narcissist, but it's not ntr she is manipulating towards, so players aren't angry about it. And of course MC is still the same co-dependent doormat.
In a realistic context, the only conceivable way this couple would ever end in a healthy relationship, is a very long separation, where both are allowed to work with professionals on their issues and grow beyond them. Years long, because those disorders don't get treated with a couple visits to the therapist, if at all. And then somehow reconnecting as different, more experienced, healthier adults. Ironically, Lacey's selfish abandonment of him, was the right decision. But she took it for her own selfish reasons and they both did the worst possible things they could during that.
But this game seems to steering more towards porn logic than the initial realism, so even things that cannot happen, have a chance. I mean a dude like that, somehow attracting a whole entourage of women falling for him, while being the biggest pussy in town, is good indication of that.
It would be to predictable if that happened, so it would be nice if he could for once say to her, Oh sorry hunny I just went to the toilet and Jeanette beat ya to it, she gave me a good bj and I responded in a kind way to give her some good fucking. I would love to see for once the mc beat her into doing something a first time without her and she never done.
Or maybe Anna if she comes with as well, as i understood that Mia warned Anna for Will and don't trust his new behaviour and that she should come with.
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A little bit about healthy relationships.
I'll assume that healthy relationships imply the presence of feelings, mutual respect and, most importantly, trust. The absence of even one component is already very unhealthy.
And now let's ask ourselves the question: can we or the MC trust Lacey ?
Even if we assume for a minute that all her intentions and actions are from the heart and all the consequences are the result of bad luck and absolute stupidity.
How can you trust a person when, upon coming home, you can find her diligently sucking off the plumber because he said that there is no other way to fix the sewer.. Or jumping on a colleague's dick in your pool because he promised to help her with a project.. Find her drunk in a club fucking a stranger because it's just sex because she only loves the MC..
The list can be continued, but I think I've shown the idea.
And then I felt scared and unpleasant
After all, it looks like this is the ending that awaits us, when the man will be broken completely and he will agree and rejoice at any bullshit that comes into Lacey bright head.
This is not cool at all and I don't want this ending
I'll assume that healthy relationships imply the presence of feelings, mutual respect and, most importantly, trust. The absence of even one component is already very unhealthy.
And now let's ask ourselves the question: can we or the MC trust Lacey ?
Even if we assume for a minute that all her intentions and actions are from the heart and all the consequences are the result of bad luck and absolute stupidity.
How can you trust a person when, upon coming home, you can find her diligently sucking off the plumber because he said that there is no other way to fix the sewer.. Or jumping on a colleague's dick in your pool because he promised to help her with a project.. Find her drunk in a club fucking a stranger because it's just sex because she only loves the MC..
The list can be continued, but I think I've shown the idea.
And then I felt scared and unpleasant
After all, it looks like this is the ending that awaits us, when the man will be broken completely and he will agree and rejoice at any bullshit that comes into Lacey bright head.
This is not cool at all and I don't want this ending
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Diosvincenccio
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Assuming you mean Lacey, no, we cant trust her completely. She lies more than breathes. But on certain topics at least we can have some confidence, she will act on good intentions. Not that she really considers consecuencies, but the intentions are usually on a positive spectrum.
Can the MC trust her? NO. For your exact arguments. trust is already broken. She is changing but has to demostrate that change yet.
Yes they can and it doesn't clash with my point 2. Even if it does require a separation to achieve it, it is possible. My point 2 is only about current events, not what is possible in the future. Currently, Lacey is toxic to MC, so I think objectively, it would be best for MC and her to separate. In the future, maybe therapy gets her to the point to where she can manage it well enough for them to have a healthy and happy relationship.
I sort of agree with the realistic context, yet not all paths are carved equally, no journey is the same.
I cannot honestly tell you which is the best solution, since separation brought suicidal thoughts and self destruction in both of them.
They didn't have a support structure, well maybe Mc more than Lacey, since he found Anna (which still abandoned him), Lacey seems to have draw the short straw there and found a literal monster as support.
Lacey is the same and yet she isn't, I would not dismiss anyone's path to redemption or self improvement.
Will she stop being a narcissist? no, but she can learn how to control herself and channel her thoughts and emotions differently.
I am still very angry at her manipulation attempts, but I am also amazed at her willingness to atone.
A true narcissist would not go through that self reflection, because she is obviously hurting and regretful.
Anyone can see that and if they don't I think their pride or preconceptions are stopping them from looking at obvious facts.
This does not make her innocent, she is still a manipulative bitch, she diminished MC emotions and feelings for a long time, she did all she did in college.
But she is stepping forward.
I have less hopes for MC, he is written as a witness more than a character, and a lousy one at that.
Hopefully we will see some improvement or character growth because at this moment we have literally 0 growth aside from a "revelation" that I think we are supposed to take as a deep concept:
MC "I finally fucking get it."
MC "I finally understand."
"She's afraid of losing my love. More specifically, no longer being my 'most loved'."
"I'm afraid of losing the illusion of control I have over her."
"Control I only have, because she let's me have it."
"That's what she was trying to get me to see."
"I could never lose her, because she's never going to take back that control she's given me."
"No matter what she does or what I let or even make her do, I'll never lose control of her."
"And that's why I don't have to be afraid."
"That's what being the whale shark means in her little story."
"No matter where I take us."
"She's the remora that will never let go."
"As long as I don't leave her, she belongs to me."
"Because she wants to belong to me."
"She's already experienced it all."
"And, in the end, none of it was more alluring for her, than being in my life."
Which is essentially internalized abuse and rationalization.
Not that some of the things that he says here are wrong imo, but stuff like
"She's already experienced it all."
"And, in the end, none of it was more alluring for her, than being in my life."
Really makes him sound like a shit stained doormat with no self respect.
You were the second choice to it all, you were suicidal while she was having fun, she came back when she decided she had enough.
But yeah now the fool thinks that he is control, when in the story this is shown is beyond me, so how can this assumption be made is also beyond my probably limited capabilities.
Trust is built slowly and over time and can be lost pretty quickly.
Yet I wouldn't say he cannot trust her at all, I would trust Lacey act 2 to some extent.
Dios puts it beautifully here
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Just to clarify my position, it's not that I think MC can CURRENTLY trust Lacey. I think that assuming MC and Lacey put in some serious work to learn to manage their mental health issues, then they can have a healthy and happy relationship.
If you think that it is impossible for Lacey to eventually learn to manage her mental health issues, then there is just a fundamental difference in our beliefs, and there isn't much else to say about it
Out of reactions, but I wanted to say that I agree with what you explained.
I am still of the opinion that it cannot be and will not be full on happy for MC, it can't be, some things are lost or tainted forever.
But he can be reasonably happy, maybe with the added benefit of being able to live more experiences and a better life down the line.
I mean if we get a fairy tale ending with MC being super happy, forgive it all and everyone lived happily ever after I would be very disappointed.
But consequences are a weird thing in L&J so we will see.
Well said.
Although I suppose that these are shoots planted by Lacey a little earlier.
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Separation would involve the re-emergence of this Dark Lacey that the MC has been, supposedly, keeping at bay. True, she does have more and better friends right now and she didn't simply jump out the window as soon as the MC ragequit after Barty's little surprise vid...