VN Ren'Py Love & Jealousy [Act 2] [Professor Amethyst Games]

[FatYoda]

I went through the whole scene with all 3 options, speaking plainly it was one the top 3 porn logic moment of the whole game.

You say he was in control, once again he did not even want to be in that situation, he is doing this for HER, to make HER happy.
It is stated clarly that he is doing it because she was super happy about it, you can read the resentment and the suffering all along the scene.

Do you think it is healthy that at the end he almost chokes her to death? Is this the healing we are talking about? The anger management? So rough sex becomes another vessel for HER to be happy.

IT. IS. NEVER. ABOUT. HIM.

He is being manipulated, again.
Because he is weak to her, due to his trauma.
He wants peace, he is then forced to witness her cheating, again.
The "director" part is bullshit, she is there to fulfill HER fantasy and it is clearly stated.

I have to correct myself tho, MC (or in this case, the player) is in control once, at the separation of the three paths.

EDIT: I have read your edit and yes I agree, I hope for a better turn out in Act 2, but that has to go through the understanding of her true motivations and MC finally growing and being in control, for once.

See i don't deny that it's what she wanted. But she TRIED to signal him to stop because yes while she wanted it, she DID NOT want to cause him pain. But I think, and i think she believed it as well, that it was far more important for him to realize that she would do whatever he told her to in that situation than it was for him to get out of it because he was in pain. I think a lot of his pain is rooted in the fact that he believes he has NO control. She gave him total control and did anything and everything he told her to. I was absolutely conflicted in that scene I won't lie. I feel like the dev should have let us end it right before the kiss. But after playing it out i really feel like that sex scene was important too. She showed him that sex was just sex to her, that she was never going to leave him over it. I think it was far too early though. First time i did it i absolutely ended it right after the kiss adn finished the game. I saved and shut it down and came back a couple hours later curious and watched it all. I feel like it was the perfect way to introduce NTS into the story...cause i want it to be there eventually, but I won't lie...it felt way too early. They should have done this several times and slowly built up to that.

Edit: and as to angry sex...i don't know if you've ever done it...but angry sex is one of the absolute best and most cathartic experiences on the planet. It allows someone to feel total control and domination and for someone like him i absolutely feel like it's important for him to feel that right now.

 

[Himaru Kiori]

is any one else having issues with texts not showing up between mc and girls on their phones I'm using android version

 

[FatYoda]

is any one else having issues with texts not showing up between mc and girls on their phones I'm using android version

do you have urm installed and have you adjusted the textbox if you do? sometimes in games if you mess with the textbox settings in URM it can have phone texts show up as blank...or sometimes they show up as bold but blurry. In fact now that i think about it i believe i was toggling textbox settings on and off for this game for that reason.

 

[DeviantFun]

See i don't deny that it's what she wanted. But she TRIED to signal him to stop. I think it was far more important for him to realize that she would do whatever he told her to in that situation than it was for him to get out of it because he was in pain. I think a lot of his pain is rooted in the fact that he believes he has no control. She gave him total control and did everything he told her to. I was absolutely conflicted in that scene I won't lie. I feel like the dev should have let us end it right before the kiss. But after playing it out i really feel like that sex scene was important too. She showed him that sex was just sex to her, that she was never going to leave him over it. I think it was far too early though. First time i did it i absolutely ended it right after the kiss adn finished the game. I saved and shut it down and came back a couple hours later curious and watched it all. I feel like it was the perfect way to introduce NTS into the story...cause i want it to be there eventually, but I won't lie...it felt way too early. They should have done this several times and slowly built up to that.

Edit: and as to angry sex...i don't know if you've ever done it...but angry sex is some of the absolute best and most cathartic sex on the planet.

Lets start from the bottom, I guess I am pretty old if we consider what I imagine the average age of this site, and I get what you mean, but be careful, MC anger is NOT healthy atm.
Imagine a caning session (which can be pretty damaging), would you trust MC with it in that state of mind?

Now coming to your points, I do agree with some of them, many things were too early, but if I try to look at your statements through her eyes and an NTS enjoyer such as yourself.

But once again this was not important for MC, sex might be common as water for HER but it is not how MC feels and he is again pushed against his will to feel like her version is correct.
He is manipulated again to see it through, to see his wife whore herself out, if she truly cared she would have stopped before the kiss, because she knows MC is redlining, she knows he is fulfilling what she wants.
MC is moving his first steps, sex is special to him, but now we are forced to accept it as worthless, a simple catalyst for pleasure, her pleasure.

His problem is not that he feels that he has no control, this is what we see from a player standpoint, this is how he acts though the game with her.
His problem is rooted in the fact that she has no qualms in lying to him and sleeping with other men, dressing up for other men, flirting with other men.
Because he feel his self worth diminish due to that, his closeness and exclusiveness of his wife ripped apart.
So what is the solution? Let me get fucked raw in a bathroom stall.

All the events are not helping him, he is just becoming numb, he is already almost numb to sex with other women (look at the reaction with Anna), because at this moment it is not what he wants.
He is forced to, by her.
Anna is forced and manipulated to, by her.
He let things happen most of the time.

Anyhow, I do see what you are getting at, don't worry.

 

[multihacker]

Is there some similar by animation projects, but without NTR?

 

[jack_hollow_boy]

Application won't open.

yeah that's happening to me as well...

 

[Adhdclassic]

i disagree I feel like there absolutely was character growth...granted it took the Damian scene and then maybe even the Isaac conversation before it started to show up, but i feel like the last 20% or so of the game showed real growth.

Absolutley agree after the Damian, Isaac then Jared situation. MC changed alot when the Jared thing hit a head. He threaten Veronica and told her he would hurt her cause he is backed into a corner. Hints he has a darkside he has repressed. Shit Fucker said I was going to murder a man and meant it.

 

[DeviantFun]

Absolutley agree after the Damian, Isaac then Jared situation. MC changed alot when the Jared thing hit a head. He threaten Veronica and told her he would hurt her cause he is backed into a corner. Hints he has a darkside he has repressed. Shit Fucker said I was going to murder a man and meant it.

MC didn't change his attitude and behaviour with the only important part: Lacey.
You can include Mia and Anna there, but that is a whole another topic.

She isn't even confronted seriously on why she went with Damian, a man she knows, she isn't confronted about why she ignored MC.
It is what is it, she cheated, all is good in the world again.

She is never seriously confronted about the dresses or the lies either, just a little bit of magical manipulation and everything goes away.
To phrase MC we don't want an apology we want to know why.
and the why is? because I wanted to and I ignored MC completely like I did in the past and like I am doing now.

The Isaac discussion gets derailed by her with a silly joke, Lacey again doesn't have to answer for her actions, MC asks clearly why she would humiliate him further, no answer given aside from "Llacey wanted".

She is pushing him to do what she wants, even after we read pages and pages of MC asking her not to do that.

I won't comment further on the supposed "emotional growth" at the end because it would be justifying why Jhonny Sins plays the plumber sometimes.

MC says a lot of things, but he never hurts a fly, and it would be utterly unbelievable for him to do anything to anyone, aside from some angry sex or a slap to Lacey.
The Veronica threat feels so empty that it is almost comical, MC turned into Steven Seagal for a moment.

Putting your dick in some woman and accepting that your wife is perfectly happy taking loads from half the town as long as you allow her to so you can suffer jealousy is not exactly emotional growth.

MC still feels worthless because of Lacey's actions and she keeps on acting the same way, doing exactly what she wants
Several people mentioned growth after Damian? the Isaac fiasco happens after that and we're back at square 1, MC is worthless again for her, no matter which words are used to justify the actions.
And she started lying again, until Anna stopped her.

 

[namaiewananda]

Planned Tags:
Gay**,

Freeze! Drop the dik

 

[dontcarewhateverno]

Comparatively well done from what I've seen so far. But this is like the least hot sex story created of all time. You should change the name to Flaccid. They can use it in emergency rooms when someone's overdosed on Viagra. The hardest I got was when he was about to commit suicide.

This is anti-porn.

 

[dontcarewhateverno]

Alright. Went through more of it. No offense to the creator, but MC's behavior reads like brainwashing from the 2010's about "toxic masculinity" & how to become the ideal socially fabricated *clockwork-orange feminist-approved male eunuch while justifying the awfulness of the women around him. Where the best and most natural thing the character should do is rage the fuck out and smash some faces.

*the term. Not the film.

The social conditioning of the last couple decades really did a number on a generation.

 

[Himaru Kiori]

do you have urm installed and have you adjusted the textbox if you do? sometimes in games if you mess with the textbox settings in URM it can have phone texts show up as blank...or sometimes they show up as bold but blurry. In fact now that i think about it i believe i was toggling textbox settings on and off for this game for that reason.

Not sure what URM is i don't think I adjusted ant text box settings

 

[Badboll]

MC didn't change his attitude and behaviour with the only important part: Lacey.
You can include Mia and Anna there, but that is a whole another topic.

She isn't even confronted seriously on why she went with Damian, a man she knows, she isn't confronted about why she ignored MC.
It is what is it, she cheated, all is good in the world again.

She is never seriously confronted about the dresses or the lies either, just a little bit of magical manipulation and everything goes away.
To phrase MC we don't want an apology we want to know why.
and the why is? because I wanted to and I ignored MC completely like I did in the past and like I am doing now.

The Isaac discussion gets derailed by her with a silly joke, Lacey again doesn't have to answer for her actions, MC asks clearly why she would humiliate him further, no answer given aside from "Llacey wanted".

She is pushing him to do what she wants, even after we read pages and pages of MC asking her not to do that.

I won't comment further on the supposed "emotional growth" at the end because it would be justifying why Jhonny Sins plays the plumber sometimes.

MC says a lot of things, but he never hurts a fly, and it would be utterly unbelievable for him to do anything to anyone, aside from some angry sex or a slap to Lacey.
The Veronica threat feels so empty that it is almost comical, MC turned into Steven Seagal for a moment.

Putting your dick in some woman and accepting that your wife is perfectly happy taking loads from half the town as long as you allow her to so you can suffer jealousy is not exactly emotional growth.

MC still feels worthless because of Lacey's actions and she keeps on acting the same way, doing exactly what she wants
Several people mentioned growth after Damian? the Isaac fiasco happens after that and we're back at square 1, MC is worthless again for her, no matter which words are used to justify the actions.
And she started lying again, until Anna stopped her.

The end goal is that he gets over his jealousy and Lacey is trying to achieve that. It might not go the way anyone wants at times, but, no matter what Lacey does that's her main goal. Everything she does since they married she's done because she thinks that's the best for him, even if it's wrong and it's ultimetely for herself only. The dev is the one piloting this and the MC will never be alive to make his own choices if the dev doesn't want him to do something he wont, he won't lose control and murder her just because he was pushed too far, because that would be game over.
From reading your posts you to me seem to regard these characters are living beings. It's just a story written by a person.
Or maybe taken from an AI reddit story because that's how it reads to me. That's all I could think of, There is way too many things happening way too often, there is no time to rest between things happening, it's just on to the next traumatic event.
To me it's too much. I'd much rather they be happy for a bit before the next thing happens.
Maybe focus more on the MIA stuff since we got the reveal as to why she is the way she is.
and Maybe more of the other characters, before we just jump in to more chaos.
And lets not forget the woke work storyline please remove that altogether, no lefty talking points please woke politics have no place in movies shows games of any kind. Why they are adding that to their game I do not understand.. "OMG I AM WHITE I HAVE TO FEEL GUILT FOR OTHER PEOPLE!!" like bitch please..shut the fuck up. Thinking like the MC did there is more insulting than anything else for the other people, he is suggesting other people should get promoted to the job he's getting just because they are non white because of his own self imposed white guilt. Not because of their skills. He's getting the job because he's the most qualified to get it. That's it. That pissed me off more than anything else in this game.

 

[DeviantFun]

The end goal is that he gets over his jealousy and Lacey is trying to achieve that. It might not go the way anyone wants at times, but, no matter what Lacey does that's her main goal. Everything she does since they married she's done because she thinks that's the best for him, even if it's wrong and it's ultimetely for herself only. The dev is the one piloting this and the MC will never be alive to make his own choices if the dev doesn't want him to do something he wont, he won't lose control and murder her just because he was pushed too far, because that would be game over.
From reading your posts you to me seem to regard these characters are living beings. It's just a story written by a person.
Or maybe taken from an AI reddit story because that's how it reads to me. That's all I could think of, There is way too many things happening way too often, there is no time to rest between things happening, it's just on to the next traumatic event.
To me it's too much. I'd much rather they be happy for a bit before the next thing happens.
Maybe focus more on the MIA stuff since we got the reveal as to why she is the way she is.
and Maybe more of the other characters, before we just jump in to more chaos.
And lets not forget the woke work storyline please remove that altogether, no lefty talking points please woke politics have no place in movies shows games of any kind. Why they are adding that to their game I do not understand.. "OMG I AM WHITE I HAVE TO FEEL GUILT FOR OTHER PEOPLE!!" like bitch please..shut the fuck up. Thinking like the MC did there is more insulting than anything else for the other people, he is suggesting other people should get promoted to the job he's getting just because they are non white because of his own self imposed white guilt. Not because of their skills. He's getting the job because he's the most qualified to get it. That's it. That pissed me off more than anything else in this game.

You are probably right, I am actually trying to read to much into the whole thing and create some depth to the whole narration that at the moment is missing.

I mentioned before many things happening feel that they have been written with a strong "american college" viewpoint. (or "woke" as you mentioned").

It feels that the writing is coming from a very young person (not that it is a flaw, mind you) with absolutely no idea how corporate culture is nowadays, what substance addiction does and how to deal with normal emotions such as jealousy and anger.

There are sevetral examples of this influence that you need to work hard to ignore:

- Anna talking about male ego instead of talking about MC personality or feelings.
- Trauma is fetishized and tratead as out of jail for free card.
- 70% of the characters have trauma as their defining trait
- Mia is an absolute monster of a person, but everything is forgiven because she is funny(?) and she obviously has trauma too
- Everyone forgives everyone else no matter what, especially MC, in a very synthetic way
- MC is never allowed to act on his emotions, suppressing them and calling himself an asshole for the smallest quip, that he would have any right to do.
- The work promotion was an absolute mess, as I said the author has no idea how companies work, the story is not portrayed in the 1950.
- The dialogue with Bella is a total mess of armchair psychology, and guess what happens at the end to Jared the alpha guy?

There are more examples, at the end the only thing missing is some character speaking about toxic masculinity.
And you are right again, most of these "woke" behaviours are actually very dehumanizing.

 

[packard1928]

Wow ! What a rollercoaster.... Very good script writing ! A very long intro game. Great art ! I hope he can get animation in it sometime. THat would be great. You really have to ready carefully... not skip thru.

 

[wercoil]

Anyone else have trouble loading the game?

Me ... the game doesn't start, nothing happens after i double click the exe file.
Already tried to download a couple of times from diffent locations, nothing has changed
No error message, it isn't in the windows activities or processes, it seems it simply doesn't start
Maybe it's my really old laptop? i don't know, i use it for many other renpy games without any issue.
In the evening i'll try to run this game on my old gaming PC, then i'll update this thread.

 

[Adhdclassic]

I am going to say it. MC must fuck Veronica those titays and Lacey has to be there and watch.

 

[telly1712]

I would say he should be with Kelly in the long run, Kelly being then more self-confident and intelligent enough to „help“ the MC to overcome Lacey… Lacey should be only invited to watch or to be a submissive part in sex play…

 

[jack_hollow_boy]

Me ... the game doesn't start, nothing happens after i double click the exe file.
Already tried to download a couple of times from diffent locations, nothing has changed
No error message, it isn't in the windows activities or processes, it seems it simply doesn't start
Maybe it's my really old laptop? i don't know, i use it for many other renpy games without any issue.
In the evening i'll try to run this game on my old gaming PC, then i'll update this thread.

Yeah no matter how I try, it doesn't work for me as well

 

[uyhgsrfujfgujsfgju]

i think you should add option "k@ll her" or "leave her" type of, this game is really toxic, id say author is maso, otherwise i can't understand how you even think about this story without pucking or etc, ppl whos really reading 100% of texts in the game must go to doctor, your mental health is really bad