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Ketamine works against depression, you don't feel depressed anymore.
It is actually used clinically to help people with chronic depression and in SOME cases it helped people get past sexual trauma.
The last one is a bit off the hook since it doesn't work with everyone.

I mean, it would be nice to ferget about the abuse, your shitty life, feelling worthless and going to bed hoping to not open your eyes the next day.
She tried to kill herself.

Of all the things to attack you went for the most bellievable.
Ok the author doesn't know how to write ketamine and cherry picks the effects and long term effects, but it is a minor thing overall.

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She found Mia, that promised to hep her overcome one of the thing that was killing Lacey inside: not being able to have physical contact with MC.
The problem is that Mia is a disgusting human being, that never understood Lacey's problem, never understood Lacey at all and she pushed her on worse and worse things every time.

Mia coached Lacey for hours and hours and pushed a broken girl into her game, so she could pimp her out, so that she could see the "pure Lacey".
In reality Mia was using her for her own purpose of living her sex life vicariously.
She never understood why Lacey woulnd't say no to her, never understood why then Lacey spent a lot of time crying afterwards.

We are told time and time again that the only reason Lacey did these things is to please Mia, her only friend.
It became a game of looking for Mia's approval, to the point that we know that Mia was happy only when she started fucking two guys at once, this in turn made Lacey happy.

She wasn't ready to suck and fuck untill she discovered the brain reset, yes that is rather weak, but at that point Lacey knows this:
- she isn't worthy of MC anymore after all she has done
- she knew that what she did was hurting MC

People are skimming over how Mia destroyed Lacey's life by abusing a stunted child that was looking for approval and gratification, sure Lacey is guilty as well but she is also a trauma survivor + addict with low impulse control.


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Let me start by saying I also criticize Lacey heavily for these things.
The main issue is that we don't know what is on Lacey's mind at that time, Barty found videos of her, a thing that she doesn't want MC to know.
The tennis group is Lacey trying to get accepted and valued.

Sure she knows that something is not right, but at that time it seems her brain damage is on full blast.
That said, the tennis group is also related on her addiction behavior, she does things that gratify her, she likes tennis and being appreciated and complimented so she will do it.

I'm not trying to defend her here, in my rewrite she gets kicked in the ass a lot about this, as it is completely unacceptable, but we have to try and understand the character.
She has shitty motivation, she is a compulsive liar, in her head nothing was wrong and yet it was.
None of her explanations make complete sense because she doesn't make complete sense, she is not sane.
And lets not forget, Lacey is super easy to manipulate.


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She did understand that what she was doing was wrong, honestly the groping her ass on the ladder was a stupid thing to write, an abused child that doesn't recognize inappropriate touch? come on.

She does understand bad stuff is happening, she is super stressed out by this, super stressed to having to lie to Mc constanty.
But in typical Lacey behaviour she did what she wanted to because there was a carrot at the end, a new job etc.

Jared was playing the long game, until he had enough and tried to rape and blackmail her.
Granted, no one knows what happened at those parties, but if we try to understand Lacey enough, in all her insanity, that is a line I don't see her crossing.
She probably got groped a lot tho.

We aren't looking for normal people logic here, that is the problem, her action doesn't always make sense to a sane person, sometimes it is a bit too much and it is clear that the author is looking for shock value.


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I can't say much here, MC is the worst written character by a mile, he should be renamed as NPC.
Like I can't find a single positive thing about him, to the point I have probably rewritten 90% of his lines.
This also is bad writing for Lacey, as she is described as super non confrontational but when it comes to MC she is ALWAYS confrontational.

I don't know if you are there yet but at some point she will hurt MC intentionally due to a misunderstanding, non confrontational my ass.


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This is what I meant before, to actually enjoy this game you have to let go of the shock value tactics and try to understand the characters, I want to talk about the five boxes but we will do that in the question below

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Yeah, this is another problem, sometimes the author gets lost and start writing really weird pseudo therapy dialogues.
All Lacey's explanations to the boxes actually make things worse, I had to rewrite MC responses quite a bit.
Because no matter how much of a doormat MC is, the answers from Lacey are awful, but MC comebacks are WAY worse.

Lets say that MC is this pseudo therapy guy that likes to talk like that, ot that is how he used to talk with her when she was abused, a way to connect.
How can you not stand your ground, especially when she recounts the events with Mia, or the abandonement.
Sorry I wish I could try and find a way to make it better, but it is probably one of the worst written parts of the game.

I get it, the author is trying to give us a glimpse on Lacey and maybe feel compassion, but there is none there, no acceptance of her mistakes and so on, just deflection and MC is there like a smoked fish.


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I said it previously, only one confrontation gets explained later, but she is NEVER confontational with anyone aside from MC.
Not confrontational with Mia, nor with Anna, neither with Jared or Evan when they talk about her bouncy tits and ass.

You need a bit off suspension of disbelief here, especially because we know Lacey is terrified to lose MC, yet she acts like he is her "lap dog" (cit.) that will never leave, and while this is true, it is hard to reconcile the two things.

But lets not forget that Lacey is super selfish and narcissistic, this is admitted freely


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"This" is his self worth, the years lost waiting for her, acceptance for the past, happiness, being taken care of, living life with the woman he loved for so many years, all the experiences he couldn't have and even material things such as a nice house.

The problem I often talk about is that she is unable to deliver ANY of these and that MC might not even want most of this.
Lets say I've spent my 20s as a shut in, in my 30s or 40s I might not want to relive being 20s again to go party, my priorities and needs might have shifted.

She can't take back her or his past, she destroyed any possibility to be 100% happy, because even if she is happy she will forever know that she deprived MC of his firsts sexual and non sexual alike.
MC love language is touch and sex, but none of that was reserved for him, none of it will be theirs only.
Because this is what it is, Lacey will never be his and only his, it is only his turn.
It is just MC turn on the carnival ride, the probem is that someone puked in the ride, left garbage all around and there are used condoms on the seats.
It might be the last ride, no one else will get to ride it again, but it is ruined nonetheless.

Even when Lacey tries to do something special for him, you know she is picking up from her past, it is not special, nothing could ever be.
She chose others for 1460 days, he was never her first choice, the person she wanted to be next to.

Honestly? this is my favourite part of the writing and I hope it gets explored properly and doesn't get the five boxes treatment, even if it does look like that sometimes.
Lacey's effort to repair something that is irreversibly broken, and that both she and MC have to live with.

The concept of sending Mc to therapy is often thrown around, but there is no therapy that can fix that, he can either accept to be a forever sloppy second OR leave.
What she has done cannot be forgiven not forgotten, it has to be accepted and see what can you do with the broken pieces.

As the game goes on (act 2 mostly) we understand Lacey more and what she wants to give him and those are good things, the problem is that it is too little too late, her past is just too big of a roommate.
 

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DeviantFun ... is this game gonna end well? is there gonna be any good acts I.E will the MC get a break and have a decent Arc or do you think this gonna keep being shit pile after shit pile on the mc

I am hoping the MC finally takes a stand at some point and puts on his big boy pants and quits letting everyone walk all over him and quit brushing everything off, it feels like nothing is being resolved and more and more just keeps popping up
 

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Ketamine works against depression, you don't feel depressed anymore.
It is actually used clinically to help people with chronic depression and in SOME cases it helped people get past sexual trauma.
The last one is a bit off the hook since it doesn't work with everyone.

I mean, it would be nice to ferget about the abuse, your shitty life, feelling worthless and going to bed hoping to not open your eyes the next day.
She tried to kill herself.

Of all the things to attack you went for the most bellievable.
Ok the author doesn't know how to write ketamine and cherry picks the effects and long term effects, but it is a minor thing overall.



She found Mia, that promised to hep her overcome one of the thing that was killing Lacey inside: not being able to have physical contact with MC.
The problem is that Mia is a disgusting human being, that never understood Lacey's problem, never understood Lacey at all and she pushed her on worse and worse things every time.

Mia coached Lacey for hours and hours and pushed a broken girl into her game, so she could pimp her out, so that she could see the "pure Lacey".
In reality Mia was using her for her own purpose of living her sex life vicariously.
She never understood why Lacey woulnd't say no to her, never understood why then Lacey spent a lot of time crying afterwards.

We are told time and time again that the only reason Lacey did these things is to please Mia, her only friend.
It became a game of looking for Mia's approval, to the point that we know that Mia was happy only when she started fucking two guys at once, this in turn made Lacey happy.

She wasn't ready to suck and fuck untill she discovered the brain reset, yes that is rather weak, but at that point Lacey knows this:
- she isn't worthy of MC anymore after all she has done
- she knew that what she did was hurting MC

People are skimming over how Mia destroyed Lacey's life by abusing a stunted child that was looking for approval and gratification, sure Lacey is guilty as well but she is also a trauma survivor + addict with low impulse control.




Let me start by saying I also criticize Lacey heavily for these things.
The main issue is that we don't know what is on Lacey's mind at that time, Barty found videos of her, a thing that she doesn't want MC to know.
The tennis group is Lacey trying to get accepted and valued.

Sure she knows that something is not right, but at that time it seems her brain damage is on full blast.
That said, the tennis group is also related on her addiction behavior, she does things that gratify her, she likes tennis and being appreciated and complimented so she will do it.

I'm not trying to defend her here, in my rewrite she gets kicked in the ass a lot about this, as it is completely unacceptable, but we have to try and understand the character.
She has shitty motivation, she is a compulsive liar, in her head nothing was wrong and yet it was.
None of her explanations make complete sense because she doesn't make complete sense, she is not sane.
And lets not forget, Lacey is super easy to manipulate.




She did understand that what she was doing was wrong, honestly the groping her ass on the ladder was a stupid thing to write, an abused child that doesn't recognize inappropriate touch? come on.

She does understand bad stuff is happening, she is super stressed out by this, super stressed to having to lie to Mc constanty.
But in typical Lacey behaviour she did what she wanted to because there was a carrot at the end, a new job etc.

Jared was playing the long game, until he had enough and tried to rape and blackmail her.
Granted, no one knows what happened at those parties, but if we try to understand Lacey enough, in all her insanity, that is a line I don't see her crossing.
She probably got groped a lot tho.

We aren't looking for normal people logic here, that is the problem, her action doesn't always make sense to a sane person, sometimes it is a bit too much and it is clear that the author is looking for shock value.





I can't say much here, MC is the worst written character by a mile, he should be renamed as NPC.
Like I can't find a single positive thing about him, to the point I have probably rewritten 90% of his lines.
This also is bad writing for Lacey, as she is described as super non confrontational but when it comes to MC she is ALWAYS confrontational.

I don't know if you are there yet but at some point she will hurt MC intentionally due to a misunderstanding, non confrontational my ass.




This is what I meant before, to actually enjoy this game you have to let go of the shock value tactics and try to understand the characters, I want to talk about the five boxes but we will do that in the question below



Yeah, this is another problem, sometimes the author gets lost and start writing really weird pseudo therapy dialogues.
All Lacey's explanations to the boxes actually make things worse, I had to rewrite MC responses quite a bit.
Because no matter how much of a doormat MC is, the answers from Lacey are awful, but MC comebacks are WAY worse.

Lets say that MC is this pseudo therapy guy that likes to talk like that, ot that is how he used to talk with her when she was abused, a way to connect.
How can you not stand your ground, especially when she recounts the events with Mia, or the abandonement.
Sorry I wish I could try and find a way to make it better, but it is probably one of the worst written parts of the game.

I get it, the author is trying to give us a glimpse on Lacey and maybe feel compassion, but there is none there, no acceptance of her mistakes and so on, just deflection and MC is there like a smoked fish.




I said it previously, only one confrontation gets explained later, but she is NEVER confontational with anyone aside from MC.
Not confrontational with Mia, nor with Anna, neither with Jared or Evan when they talk about her bouncy tits and ass.

You need a bit off suspension of disbelief here, especially because we know Lacey is terrified to lose MC, yet she acts like he is her "lap dog" (cit.) that will never leave, and while this is true, it is hard to reconcile the two things.

But lets not forget that Lacey is super selfish and narcissistic, this is admitted freely




"This" is his self worth, the years lost waiting for her, acceptance for the past, happiness, being taken care of, living life with the woman he loved for so many years, all the experiences he couldn't have and even material things such as a nice house.

The problem I often talk about is that she is unable to deliver ANY of these and that MC might not even want most of this.
Lets say I've spent my 20s as a shut in, in my 30s or 40s I might not want to relive being 20s again to go party, my priorities and needs might have shifted.

She can't take back her or his past, she destroyed any possibility to be 100% happy, because even if she is happy she will forever know that she deprived MC of his firsts sexual and non sexual alike.
MC love language is touch and sex, but none of that was reserved for him, none of it will be theirs only.
Because this is what it is, Lacey will never be his and only his, it is only his turn.
It is just MC turn on the carnival ride, the probem is that someone puked in the ride, left garbage all around and there are used condoms on the seats.
It might be the last ride, no one else will get to ride it again, but it is ruined nonetheless.

Even when Lacey tries to do something special for him, you know she is picking up from her past, it is not special, nothing could ever be.
She chose others for 1460 days, he was never her first choice, the person she wanted to be next to.

Honestly? this is my favourite part of the writing and I hope it gets explored properly and doesn't get the five boxes treatment, even if it does look like that sometimes.
Lacey's effort to repair something that is irreversibly broken, and that both she and MC have to live with.

The concept of sending Mc to therapy is often thrown around, but there is no therapy that can fix that, he can either accept to be a forever sloppy second OR leave.
What she has done cannot be forgiven not forgotten, it has to be accepted and see what can you do with the broken pieces.

As the game goes on (act 2 mostly) we understand Lacey more and what she wants to give him and those are good things, the problem is that it is too little too late, her past is just too big of a roommate.
You are really invested into this story, it's an interesting take. I see very detailed explanations, granted the story is very well written even if the theme isn't everybody's cup of Bantha milk.
 
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DeviantFun ... is this game gonna end well? is there gonna be any good acts I.E will the MC get a break and have a decent Arc or do you think this gonna keep being shit pile after shit pile on the mc

I am hoping the MC finally takes a stand at some point and puts on his big boy pants and quits letting everyone walk all over him and quit brushing everything off, it feels like nothing is being resolved and more and more just keeps popping up
I post again what the prof posted on release:

This release focuses less on Lacey's mental health issues and more on the MC's issues. You've got to fall down a little so you can recognize you've got a problem.

I think DeviantFun is way to harsh with the MC, sometimes i wonder if he forgets that Laceys not the only damaged character.
MC suffers not only from PTSD but also a has completeley destroyed selfworth. He doesn´t think about his need for therapy becausehe didn´t hit rock bottom.
 

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We got one outspoken NTR hater who likes to play this game and cry himself senseless with grief and overblown emotion for the two main characters. It is overexagerated, it is brutal, it is devastating and it keeps going with more thrashing and desecration of any humanity.
Schrödinger's NTR
Both characters try to kill themselves. By the definition of what these drugs do, actually - numbing the pain and the past, whenever Lacey got high on anything, really, she would have been free of the bulls and the rapists and would run away. These guys play molly/date rape drug sleepy hopelessness using the exact opposite drugs: coke, meth, speed, weed - these give oyu wings, they do not get you in a vegetative state like how Lacey is portrayed in most of ther past exploits.
Look at Crank - you cannot be a virtual wonder Woman - She Hulk - levels of high off your rockers and also be a wet noodle and be passed around like a flaccid latex doll - how they portray Lacey in this game.
Hard NTR tropes used into a story that is more put together than most other games do not stand any scrutiny like you have done below. Never heard of girls intentionally take their own date rape drugs - apart from paid hookers in True Detective season 2 or in orgies you hear about on the news with date rapists.
I mean, it would be nice to ferget about the abuse, your shitty life, feelling worthless and going to bed hoping to not open your eyes the next day.
She tried to kill herself.
Of all the things to attack you went for the most bellievable.
Ok the author doesn't know how to write ketamine and cherry picks the effects and long term effects, but it is a minor thing overall.
This release focuses less on Lacey's mental health issues and more on the MC's issues. You've got to fall down a little so you can recognize you've got a problem.
MC already cries himself to sleep, tried to kill himself, is blamed for all of Lacey”s problems, all of them. Where is the need to beat this dead horse MC even more into the ground he is pulverised already into?
 
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Ketamine works against depression, you don't feel depressed anymore.
It is actually used clinically to help people with chronic depression and in SOME cases it helped people get past sexual trauma.
The last one is a bit off the hook since it doesn't work with everyone.

I mean, it would be nice to ferget about the abuse, your shitty life, feelling worthless and going to bed hoping to not open your eyes the next day.
She tried to kill herself.

Of all the things to attack you went for the most bellievable.
Ok the author doesn't know how to write ketamine and cherry picks the effects and long term effects, but it is a minor thing overall.



She found Mia, that promised to hep her overcome one of the thing that was killing Lacey inside: not being able to have physical contact with MC.
The problem is that Mia is a disgusting human being, that never understood Lacey's problem, never understood Lacey at all and she pushed her on worse and worse things every time.

Mia coached Lacey for hours and hours and pushed a broken girl into her game, so she could pimp her out, so that she could see the "pure Lacey".
In reality Mia was using her for her own purpose of living her sex life vicariously.
She never understood why Lacey woulnd't say no to her, never understood why then Lacey spent a lot of time crying afterwards.

We are told time and time again that the only reason Lacey did these things is to please Mia, her only friend.
It became a game of looking for Mia's approval, to the point that we know that Mia was happy only when she started fucking two guys at once, this in turn made Lacey happy.

She wasn't ready to suck and fuck untill she discovered the brain reset, yes that is rather weak, but at that point Lacey knows this:
- she isn't worthy of MC anymore after all she has done
- she knew that what she did was hurting MC

People are skimming over how Mia destroyed Lacey's life by abusing a stunted child that was looking for approval and gratification, sure Lacey is guilty as well but she is also a trauma survivor + addict with low impulse control.




Let me start by saying I also criticize Lacey heavily for these things.
The main issue is that we don't know what is on Lacey's mind at that time, Barty found videos of her, a thing that she doesn't want MC to know.
The tennis group is Lacey trying to get accepted and valued.

Sure she knows that something is not right, but at that time it seems her brain damage is on full blast.
That said, the tennis group is also related on her addiction behavior, she does things that gratify her, she likes tennis and being appreciated and complimented so she will do it.

I'm not trying to defend her here, in my rewrite she gets kicked in the ass a lot about this, as it is completely unacceptable, but we have to try and understand the character.
She has shitty motivation, she is a compulsive liar, in her head nothing was wrong and yet it was.
None of her explanations make complete sense because she doesn't make complete sense, she is not sane.
And lets not forget, Lacey is super easy to manipulate.




She did understand that what she was doing was wrong, honestly the groping her ass on the ladder was a stupid thing to write, an abused child that doesn't recognize inappropriate touch? come on.

She does understand bad stuff is happening, she is super stressed out by this, super stressed to having to lie to Mc constanty.
But in typical Lacey behaviour she did what she wanted to because there was a carrot at the end, a new job etc.

Jared was playing the long game, until he had enough and tried to rape and blackmail her.
Granted, no one knows what happened at those parties, but if we try to understand Lacey enough, in all her insanity, that is a line I don't see her crossing.
She probably got groped a lot tho.

We aren't looking for normal people logic here, that is the problem, her action doesn't always make sense to a sane person, sometimes it is a bit too much and it is clear that the author is looking for shock value.





I can't say much here, MC is the worst written character by a mile, he should be renamed as NPC.
Like I can't find a single positive thing about him, to the point I have probably rewritten 90% of his lines.
This also is bad writing for Lacey, as she is described as super non confrontational but when it comes to MC she is ALWAYS confrontational.

I don't know if you are there yet but at some point she will hurt MC intentionally due to a misunderstanding, non confrontational my ass.




This is what I meant before, to actually enjoy this game you have to let go of the shock value tactics and try to understand the characters, I want to talk about the five boxes but we will do that in the question below



Yeah, this is another problem, sometimes the author gets lost and start writing really weird pseudo therapy dialogues.
All Lacey's explanations to the boxes actually make things worse, I had to rewrite MC responses quite a bit.
Because no matter how much of a doormat MC is, the answers from Lacey are awful, but MC comebacks are WAY worse.

Lets say that MC is this pseudo therapy guy that likes to talk like that, ot that is how he used to talk with her when she was abused, a way to connect.
How can you not stand your ground, especially when she recounts the events with Mia, or the abandonement.
Sorry I wish I could try and find a way to make it better, but it is probably one of the worst written parts of the game.

I get it, the author is trying to give us a glimpse on Lacey and maybe feel compassion, but there is none there, no acceptance of her mistakes and so on, just deflection and MC is there like a smoked fish.




I said it previously, only one confrontation gets explained later, but she is NEVER confontational with anyone aside from MC.
Not confrontational with Mia, nor with Anna, neither with Jared or Evan when they talk about her bouncy tits and ass.

You need a bit off suspension of disbelief here, especially because we know Lacey is terrified to lose MC, yet she acts like he is her "lap dog" (cit.) that will never leave, and while this is true, it is hard to reconcile the two things.

But lets not forget that Lacey is super selfish and narcissistic, this is admitted freely




"This" is his self worth, the years lost waiting for her, acceptance for the past, happiness, being taken care of, living life with the woman he loved for so many years, all the experiences he couldn't have and even material things such as a nice house.

The problem I often talk about is that she is unable to deliver ANY of these and that MC might not even want most of this.
Lets say I've spent my 20s as a shut in, in my 30s or 40s I might not want to relive being 20s again to go party, my priorities and needs might have shifted.

She can't take back her or his past, she destroyed any possibility to be 100% happy, because even if she is happy she will forever know that she deprived MC of his firsts sexual and non sexual alike.
MC love language is touch and sex, but none of that was reserved for him, none of it will be theirs only.
Because this is what it is, Lacey will never be his and only his, it is only his turn.
It is just MC turn on the carnival ride, the probem is that someone puked in the ride, left garbage all around and there are used condoms on the seats.
It might be the last ride, no one else will get to ride it again, but it is ruined nonetheless.

Even when Lacey tries to do something special for him, you know she is picking up from her past, it is not special, nothing could ever be.
She chose others for 1460 days, he was never her first choice, the person she wanted to be next to.

Honestly? this is my favourite part of the writing and I hope it gets explored properly and doesn't get the five boxes treatment, even if it does look like that sometimes.
Lacey's effort to repair something that is irreversibly broken, and that both she and MC have to live with.

The concept of sending Mc to therapy is often thrown around, but there is no therapy that can fix that, he can either accept to be a forever sloppy second OR leave.
What she has done cannot be forgiven not forgotten, it has to be accepted and see what can you do with the broken pieces.

As the game goes on (act 2 mostly) we understand Lacey more and what she wants to give him and those are good things, the problem is that it is too little too late, her past is just too big of a roommate.
About the ketamine thing, personally I find it the more unrealistic aspect. Not only because of personal experience, but also because the game doesn't back up her talk. And pretty much solidifies her as a toxic abuser looking for excuses in my book.

The whole "my brain is cooked so I can't properly tell vibes and intentions from others" is such a load of croc. I don't know if it's intentional from the writer or not, but you only have to pay basic attention to her to know it's a blatant lie. It somehow only seems to affect her when it comes to men wanting to fuck her and trying to cuckold the dude. In everything else, she is very perceptive and intuitive, far more than MC.

Whenever she has to gaslight him, she knows exactly what buttons to push to get it done. From suicide threats, to manipulating his horny incel ass with sex whenever she needs a distraction, she is very perceptive when it comes to controlling his dumb ass. She effortlessly caught whiff of his relationship with his boss being closer than usual. And it took her a couple of mins at most interacting with the boss, to see through the professional facade and know she wants to fuck him. That brain damage seems very selective, only happens when she wants some strange dick.

Should have just attributed her abusive personality to her trauma and leave the whole brain damage out of it. It's silly and as an attempt to redeem her actions, it fails miserably.
 

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As i read some of the comments about how NTR should or shouldnt be avoidable i find it funny that people seem to misunderstand something. NTR is the consequences of ones decisions. its always avoidable because those decisions make or break wether it happens or not.im at the dateing experiement where shes is suppose to find a random guy in a club while he listens in and watches from a distant. first the very fact another man is actually involved sends a million red flags. experiement or not it should have been an option or decision we chose. because letting the mc make it and us jsut sit there and shake our heads makes up listen to a storyteller tell a story. you have so much chatter and very little choices in the decisions that happen. also when you watch the NTR in that section why the hell did you put more effort into what was going on for the sex part than you did for the MC and FC ? tons more visuals for the NTR and very little for the MC....... just my two cents on it ya people love NTR but all actions can be avoided despite what people may otherwise think of NTR its ALWAYS A CHOICE!
 

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the next scene i see when i choose to stop it early one second shes clothed them runs of to get naked..... while the NTR shes literaly strips down right in front of the dude ya you placed to many visuals for NTR and less for MC and FC maybe add a bit more scene to MC and FC as well you downplay those sex scene with MC like hes just a side character to hit it and quit it.
 

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I post again what the prof posted on release:

This release focuses less on Lacey's mental health issues and more on the MC's issues. You've got to fall down a little so you can recognize you've got a problem.

I think DeviantFun is way to harsh with the MC, sometimes i wonder if he forgets that Laceys not the only damaged character.
MC suffers not only from PTSD but also a has completeley destroyed selfworth. He doesn´t think about his need for therapy becausehe didn´t hit rock bottom.

oh i know his opinions and deductions well we had a 3 or 4 page talk about the last Act awhile ago and we differ on opinions quite often i still think lacey is a Sex addict and he disagrees and almost sounds like he thinks lacey is a saint in some of his posts but that's fine and his opinion, i must say when the Deepfake video came up I was ecstatic and almost posted here before i played more to say I TOLD YOU SO, cause i said along time ago that barly was doin lacey and DeviantFun disagreed and said pretty much he was harmless but i still don't know about him i still wonder if it was indeed a deepfake because i don't trust anyone at this point all the girls have lied maybe except Kelly
 
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ahahaha I don't have a crystal ball, my predictions for this act were wrong, I didn't expect a big bad coming out of the woodworks but I hoped for some more focus on the emotional and mental health issues.

I made it clear, this game should not have a "and they lived happily ever after", because the full and complete happiness has left the building.

Even if MC now accept that he will never have anything special with her, not special FOR her such as the vegas trip, there are aspects that cannot be repaired.

For example mental damage cannot be repaired, just dealt with, PTSD is not curable.
Lacey gave that to MC, her most significant gift, and MC will pay for that gift for the rest of his life.
So no, a happy ending is already out the door, but a bittersweet ending might not.

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I am not sure I am being harsh, I feel I am being objective.
I know all the things you mention, I don't forget them.

I don't criticize MC too much for being unable to deal with his rightful emotions I actually like when he struggles with them and blow up, I criticize the group of friends for being enablers and pushing him to suppress them and not deal with them.
They cheer for him when he supresses and bottles up, suffering in silence and putting on a brave face.
Yet they think he should go to therapy and deal with his issues.
This reminds of a phrase I used often in the past: everyone loves MC, no one CARES for him.

The only voice of reason is Dianne, she looks like the only one that has a clue and actually cares.

If Anna, Mia :sick:, Lacey, Jeanette etc went to him and asked him to go to therapy, hell, even if Lacey started slightly threatening him he would cave in.
Remember he accepts that Laceys fucks with BASTIAN :sneaky: because he's afraid she would be disappointed and leave him if he doesn't accept it.

The part I mostly criticize about how MC is written in act 2 is the lack of action, he acts like he's 007 playing poker.
And yet, we saw him take action when Lacey was in danger, this is not only a regression, it is not MC at all.

Isn't the suicide at the cliffs scene in act 1 not rock bottom?
The PTSD?
Going blackout drunk?
not being able to sleep for months?
having recurring nightmares?
What is the definition of rock bottom?
Killing himself?

I hope I managed to explain myself correctly.

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I agree, in many of my posts I underline that the depiction of ketamine is cartoonish, or at the very least very lightly based in reality.
The effect during use and even the long term effects are cherry picked (one of those ties up with a fetish of mine so I am unhappy it is not included, BOOOO!).
Sorry my man, you can't get disassociated without losing your motor skills, ffs there were times when talking would have been an issue.
Instead we get a VERY eloquent Lacey for example, in full control of her motor skills.
I also wondered how Lacey became this sex god, like...have you tried having sex while being completely fucked up? Getting good at sex requires interest in what you are doing.
It doesn't matter how many times you do it if you are unable to learn anything from it.

I also criticized the brain damage aspect often, it is like a magical shield, a convienient excuse.
I always said that the brain damage is overstated, since I could accept how the chase for instant gratification could be tied to it, but not all the rest.

And you forgot the BEST inconsistency of them all, the memory loss, she remembers EVERYTHING literally everything, which is actually more real than these "omg I don't remember, phase 3 yadda yadda" bullshit she spews.
You might get timelines wrong, even who you were with, but your memory does not get cancelled or erased, just jumbled.

And I don't mean she should remember every party, some stuff gets lost for sure, but it is impossible to reconcile how she remembers every single cock, with nickname attached + all the dresses and then tellling us OHH sorry I dont' remember this and that.
Going forward we see that she remembers even more, even the small things.

You have to give a bit of leeway and try to read as I do, Lacey in act 1 is a manipulative narcissistic and selfish person, whose addiction and brain damage lowers her impulse control to near zero.
If she can get gratification, she will, like people complimenting her "new dress", her "artistic skills" or even better "bouncy ass".
THAT is the real brain damage, her warped logic and low impulse control.
Sillly example: Getting a compliment now is more valuable than waiting for a compliment later from your husband, plus, who said you cannot get both and have twice the compliments.
If she can avoid facing the consequences of her actions, she will, by lying and omitting.

Lacey in act 2 starts to get more self aware and the stuff you and I wrote surfaces so this is why I am mellowed out compared to my older posts.
I like people taking accountability, which is why I don't like most of the cast :ROFLMAO:

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I feel misunderstood, I keep Lacey accountable plenty, I just don't agree on the reasons some folks are attacking her.
She is plenty horrible, but not all the horrible others accuse her of.
And the Deepfake should tell you that you should trust me more!!!!!!! I AM NEVER WRONG! :ROFLMAO:
 
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Does the martian cuck ray hit him in all three paths? Because it's pretty ridiculous for the dude who was full of angst and anger about, not only her hints of cheating but also her past body count, to accept that retarded plan. I picked the middle option where he feels jealous, do I get the option to not even entertain the cuck thing in one of the others? Or is it forced in all three?
 
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Does the martian cuck ray hit him in all three paths? Because it's pretty ridiculous for the dude who was full of angst and anger about, not only her hints of cheating but also her past body count, to accept that retarded plan. I picked the middle option where he feels jealous, do I get the option to not even entertain the cuck thing in one of the others? Or is it forced in all three?
It is forced, there is a reason for that, the insane fear that he will lose Lacey again if he doesn't let her do what she wants.

Look at his dialogues he might start angry but he always end up asking if now she will leave him, that he is sorry, that he should understand her more. He is completely and utterly under her thumb. He is a victim of a narcissistic and toxic person.
So in his addled mind, if he doesn't let her "have things" (I didn't want to make a super long post but if you are interested we can discuss what these things are) or she doesn't get her way he might be abandoned again.


I don't like MC, he is not a person I would even want to sit next to, he smells of weakness and radioactive bitching.
But I understand him.

Don't take this the wrong way, but I went through the same "stages of grief" that you are going through right now, I saw all of this as nonsensical especially for such a "jealous" man.
But then you understand the why, I am not saying it is a good reason, I am not saying that we should accept what he does, just accept the why.
He would rather die of heartache than being abandoned again and Lacey being Lacey is unable to give him any sense of security and peace.
 

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>Ketamine... Of all the things to attack you went for the most bellievable.

Nope. My question was: "Okay she forgets about abuse. But why, to do what?" The only things she do with this freedom is attempt suicides and fuck around. Why not go fuck MC if you free of trauma? She forgot him? But remember Mia because she close? Then why she tells Mia that she never be hers and only loves MC? She remembers MC with Mia but not when she sees random dick? How convenient.

> We are told time and time again that the only reason Lacey did these things is to please Mia, her only friend

Bullshit. Again, Lacey told Mia that MC if far more important to her than Mia. How bad Mia is has no relevance. When Lacey was ready to do sex there was no conceivable reasons for her not to do it wit MC if that was her ultimate goal. And, if she was just drug-raped, then all that "slow corruption" is pointless. The story explicitly stated that there was a "slow corruption", but it would work ONLY if her desire to be with MC was not the REASON (then she would just sleep with MC) but EXCUSE to sleep around.

> Jared... but if we try to understand Lacey enough, in all her insanity, that is a line I don't see her crossing.

WEEKS of late night "work"? And just groping? There is no reason to Jared to invite her then. "until he had enough and tried to rape and blackmail her" Uh-huh. And why would he invite her after she refused? Out of goodness of his heart? Come on, given all the facts, that is a line I don't see her NOT crossing. And then, of course, lying shamelessly.

> brain damage

It appears ONLY when it's convenient to her. Lacey just uses that as a excuse to manipulate people. Nothing more.

> MC is the worst written character by a mile

Yep. And it is a huge problem.

> She can't take back her or his past, she destroyed any possibility to be 100% happy, because even if she is happy she will forever know that she deprived MC of his firsts sexual and non sexual alike.

She can't take the past, but nobody asking her to. MC accepted her past. It hurt him of course, but given time it will heal. To be happy she only need to accept her role as a wife. That's it, nothing more. The problem is NOT her past, it's her actions in the present.

>MC love language is touch and sex, but none of that was reserved for him, none of it will be theirs only. Because this is what it is, Lacey will never be his and only his, it is only his turn. It is just MC turn on the carnival ride, the probem is that someone puked in the ride, left garbage all around and there are used condoms on the seats. It might be the last ride, no one else will get to ride it again, but it is ruined nonetheless.

Very strange logic. You can just clean up your "carnival ride", yes there will be some smell, but it will go away with time. By that logic every non-virgin wife would be a problem. The real problem is not the past, Lacey continues to puke in the ride and leaving condoms everywhere in the present. Until she does that no amount of cleaning would help.

> to actually enjoy this game you have to let go of the shock value tactics and try to understand the characters

I did exactly that. Lacey is manipulative, egoistic, sex obsessed (later - cheating obsessed), lying slut. She uses her childhood trauma to manipulate MC and then her friends (Mia and Anna). Fixation on sex is probably due to trauma. She used Mia (and narcotics) as a excuse to materialize what she was inside - cock hungry slut (It's not me, its Mia's fault!). Suicide attempts are manipulation tools (7 times? yeah, right). She returned to MC when realized that she was on the brink of total collapse as a person. There is no "love" for MC, only need to use him as a crutch. Probably she even herself believes lies she tells. She acts impulsive, out of pure egoistical desires. But she is master manipulator, and totally shameless, so through lies and passive-aggressive tactics she redirects the blame... The only thing MC could do in this situation - divorce and get mental help for both of them. Then marry normal girl (Anna for example).
 

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It is forced, there is a reason for that, the insane fear that he will lose Lacey again if he doesn't let her do what she wants.

Look at his dialogues he might start angry but he always end up asking if now she will leave him, that he is sorry, that he should understand her more. He is completely and utterly under her thumb. He is a victim of a narcissistic and toxic person.
So in his addled mind, if he doesn't let her "have things" (I didn't want to make a super long post but if you are interested we can discuss what these things are) or she doesn't get her way he might be abandoned again.


I don't like MC, he is not a person I would even want to sit next to, he smells of weakness and radioactive bitching.
But I understand him.

Don't take this the wrong way, but I went through the same "stages of grief" that you are going through right now, I saw all of this as nonsensical especially for such a "jealous" man.
But then you understand the why, I am not saying it is a good reason, I am not saying that we should accept what he does, just accept the why.
He would rather die of heartache than being abandoned again and Lacey being Lacey is unable to give him any sense of security and peace.
Just on this and the jealousy aspect with Lacey trying to get the MC to move past it/ Lacey at least somewhat understanding of it

I have always toy'd with the idea that the MC needs to lean into Lacey's fears of him leaving her for her to somewhat gauge how he feels

So yes I know the feeling of jealousy and the fear/feelings of the MC leaving Lacey are different

But I've always wondered that if the MC say took him self off for two weeks or something like that with little to know contact with Lacey then on his return he explains that all those feelings she had while he was away and how she had no control over it etc, are the same/similar to how the MC feels in regards to jealousy, as she always struck me as someone for her to actually understand something it needs to be visual/ actually experience it for it to sink in rather than it being verbal if that makes sense
 

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It is forced, there is a reason for that, the insane fear that he will lose Lacey again if he doesn't let her do what she wants.

Look at his dialogues he might start angry but he always end up asking if now she will leave him, that he is sorry, that he should understand her more. He is completely and utterly under her thumb. He is a victim of a narcissistic and toxic person.
So in his addled mind, if he doesn't let her "have things" (I didn't want to make a super long post but if you are interested we can discuss what these things are) or she doesn't get her way he might be abandoned again.


I don't like MC, he is not a person I would even want to sit next to, he smells of weakness and radioactive bitching.
But I understand him.

Don't take this the wrong way, but I went through the same "stages of grief" that you are going through right now, I saw all of this as nonsensical especially for such a "jealous" man.
But then you understand the why, I am not saying it is a good reason, I am not saying that we should accept what he does, just accept the why.
He would rather die of heartache than being abandoned again and Lacey being Lacey is unable to give him any sense of security and peace.
Fuck, for some reason devs keep pulling this shit lately. It's like they don't get a man accepting sharing has such a radically different personality than men that don't, that it can't be reconciled in a character. It invalidates all his previous angst about cheating and any future objections he may have. And makes him look insane.

People would have no empathy for a dude whining about getting his shit stolen, if he was the one who opened the door and invited a bunch of people with guns and fullfaces in. It's the same thing. Ntr and nts should always be separate for that reason.

What if I want her to deteriorate back to the druggie slut and finally dump her to the fate she deserves? Is this a possible route if he lets it happen? Because at this point it seems like the only reason to keep playing this. Zero interest to keep them together.
 

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Fuck, for some reason devs keep pulling this shit lately. It's like they don't get a man accepting sharing has such a radically different personality than men that don't, that it can't be reconciled in a character. It invalidates all his previous angst about cheating and any future objections he may have. And makes him look insane.

People would have no empathy for a dude whining about getting his shit stolen, if he was the one who opened the door and invited a bunch of people with guns and fullfaces in. It's the same thing. Ntr and nts should always be separate for that reason.

What if I want her to deteriorate back to the druggie slut and finally dump her to the fate she deserves? Is this a possible route if he lets it happen? Because at this point it seems like the only reason to keep playing this. Zero interest to keep them together.
I don´t know where you are in the vn, still in act1? If yes, you will get an answer in act 2
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I answered to all of those, she was not free and when she found a small way to be free she realized she was gutter trash.
She only came back because Anna called.
We later discover other things, but I'll let you go through them yourself.

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you are missing some points, such as associating sex with her abuse and not wanting to associate MC to that.
There was a slow corruption, she was trying to learn for MC at first.
Then you add Mia the abusive pimp, that did EVERYTHING she could to separate her fom MC to turn into what insane idea of her was on her mind.
Lacey let her do that, an abused, lonely and druggie girl ler her abuser abuse her, she is not innocent by a long shot by a puzzle is made of many pieces.

I get it, Lacey pisses you off, I am not defending her, everything she did was a colossal shit show in my book.
She was a piece of shit for doing what she did, she should have stayed next to the man she loved and learn step by step, get help and move forward.
She had all the ingredients for the perfect cake and yet she still shat in the cake mixer.

She did what she did because she was selfish and stupid, she had a grand plan in her head and you know how her grand plans end up.

But you just need to go ahead with the story and read the dialogues carefully, matching the inconsitencies with the moments of undeniable truth.

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I guess you didn't finish act 1, funnily enough I added the same lines you are saying in my rewrite of the script.
Please finish act 1.

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I just wrote about this a couple of posts ago:

"I also criticized the brain damage aspect often, it is like a magical shield, a convienient excuse.
I always said that the brain damage is overstated, since I could accept how the chase for instant gratification could be tied to it, but not all the rest."

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Well, ok, but still try to understand his motivations.

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Nope, both are a problem, not only the sex in her past, I will expand in my answer to the next point.
But you thinking that her past is not a problem tells me you missed important cues in the game or have played it only for like 1/4.

MC accepting her past is....a VERY hot take to say the least.

>MC love language is touch and sex, but none of that was reserved for him, none of it will be theirs only. Because this is what it is, Lacey will never be his and only his, it is only his turn. It is just MC turn on the carnival ride, the probem is that someone puked in the ride, left garbage all around and there are used condoms on the seats. It might be the last ride, no one else will get to ride it again, but it is ruined nonetheless.

Very strange logic. You can just clean up your "carnival ride", yes there will be some smell, but it will go away with time. By that logic every non-virgin wife would be a problem. The real problem is not the past, Lacey continues to puke in the ride and leaving condoms everywhere in the present. Until she does that no amount of cleaning would help.[/SPOILER]
You misunderstood what is actually happening in the game by quite a long shot.
While you are right in saying that she keeps on puking on it, her past and the abandonement trauma are the main factors for MC behaviour.

We are not talking about virgins, wtf, we are talking about way deeper things, being abandoned for 1460 days to go and do that, having to go back and admit that they were in a relationship and she shat all over it, having to admit that she preferred to be railed by hundreds of men while not having the time or the will to even send a text to Mc to check on him.

There is no cleaning for that, the damage (I won't go into details because it is clear you didn't play the game in full) is not repairable, what they could have is lost forever, the man MC could have been is lost forever.

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This shows me that you fell for the author trap.
You misunderstood Lacey, like some characters in the game do.

Granted you are right when you say she is manipulaltive and selfish (and much more), but sex obsessed is just not true, like literally not true.
Her obsession comes from other things that MC provides, which again I won't spoil.
 

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I don´t know where you are in the vn, still in act1? If yes, you will get an answer in act 2
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At her leaving for the cuck trip with the blonde.

And the way I see it, she never stopped being that person. She just uses a bunch of rationalizing to avoid the guilt caused by her selfishly pursuing her impulses. No one wants to look in the mirror and see an abuser. It's easier to invent a bunch of bs, that you even believe yourself, to avoid facing that.
 
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