VN Ren'Py Love & Jealousy [Act 2] [Professor Amethyst Games]

[CrysusPariah2]

DeviantFun Because is know this is your favorite theory.

I think we completely glossed over this foreshadowing at the beginning of Act 2

 

[anongamer1983]

DeviantFun Because is know this is your favorite theory.

I think we completely glossed over this foreshadowing at the beginning of Act 2 View attachment 5104325

there's actually text in the no fun route that implies MC might become a monster (not the monster), which is why I think you lose good_guy points for choosing it

"Lacey is still pretty vulnerable."
"And she's easy to manipulate."
"What Evan and Jared tried to do to Lacey was clumsy,"
"and with virtually no knowledge of who she is or what makes her tick."
"But I know all those things."
"If I was a bad person, I could use what I know to manipulate her myself."
"And she would have no defenses against it."
...

"It's more of a thought exercise."
"How far could I push her?"
"Could I control her enough to ensure she never hurts me again?"

 

[Fmedic]

Dianne (redhead) is the only sane girl, I still think Kelly would ditch Mia in a heartbeat

 

[CrysusPariah2]

there's actually text in the no fun route that implies MC might become a monster (not the monster), which is why I think you lose good_guy points for choosing it

"Lacey is still pretty vulnerable."
"And she's easy to manipulate."
"What Evan and Jared tried to do to Lacey was clumsy,"
"and with virtually no knowledge of who she is or what makes her tick."
"But I know all those things."
"If I was a bad person, I could use what I know to manipulate her myself."
"And she would have no defenses against it."
...

"It's more of a thought exercise."
"How far could I push her?"
"Could I control her enough to ensure she never hurts me again?"

That’s dark, definitely need to go over the No Fun Route again
Hopefully we’ll get named saves by the next release

 

[bobaf]

I love how you guys try to use logic about character motivations and events in the game, when this whole AVN is about braindead people doing braindead things and then they are suprised and stressed about it
I mean, it is enjoyable to read the theories and timelines and the character analysis, but I am pretty sure we are not prepared about what will happen on the next acts.

 

[BlackGhost - 1]

Alright whoever made the scenes did an incredible job. It is too bad the story, and writing are total crap. Whoever is doing your production should get a raise, and whoever writing this non-sense needs to get a different job or something because this is honestly one of the worst written stories I have ever seen. Also the quality in all the other fields just make the obvious short comings even brighter.

Skip this one unless you want to see some well rendered scenes. Just skip the dialog as there is nothing to gain from it.

3/10 - Only because of the scene details. Everything else is total crap

Edit: Your anger only makes me stronger lol...

 

[AL.d]

Soldiers, for example, know that they might die, but hope that the worst case scenario will not happen. People do stupid shit everyday like drunk driving and speeding, knowing that they potentially might die, but everyone thinks that wont happen to me, until it happens to them.
Lacey behavior seems like a normal human behavior in that case. She really wanted that promotion, and hoped that the worst case scenario will not happen.
Edit
It`s like saying that people that do any kind of dangerous jobs have an intent to die. Thats what I mean in short.



I don't understand what you mean by he settled ? Like its only his decision. What the hell he could have done more ? Outright rape her ?
And he did not settle btw, he tried to get his way through blackmail.

Why would he do that when everything was going well for him? She knew what he wanted and she kept engaging. Instead of avoiding him like everyone was telling her after being molested in storage, she invited him to go even further. She was doing the exact opposite of avoiding him actually, she was ramping up her involvement with him. Sneaking out behind her hubby's back dressed like a slut to meet him. That's the greenest of lights. The blackmail started after she stopped engaging him, when she figured out there was no real transaction to be made.

Your analogy about soldiers makes no sense. It's textbook false equivalence. Threat of dying is part of a soldier's job description. Accepting the possibility of sexual favors as part of getting an office job is insane. Definitely not on the job description.

Or actually it makes perfect sense. You know which profession has sexual activities as part of the job description? A sex worker's. She sure was looking the part don't you think?

I knew prof has written an amazing manipulator character with very realistic dialogue...but damn people.

 

[AL.d]

there's actually text in the no fun route that implies MC might become a monster (not the monster), which is why I think you lose good_guy points for choosing it

"Lacey is still pretty vulnerable."
"And she's easy to manipulate."
"What Evan and Jared tried to do to Lacey was clumsy,"
"and with virtually no knowledge of who she is or what makes her tick."
"But I know all those things."
"If I was a bad person, I could use what I know to manipulate her myself."
"And she would have no defenses against it."
...

"It's more of a thought exercise."
"How far could I push her?"
"Could I control her enough to ensure she never hurts me again?"

I still think this is a very weird quote for this route. Fetishizing her broken sexuality looks far more manipulative to me.

 

[rhune]

Why would he do that when everything was going well for him? She knew what he wanted and she kept engaging. Instead of avoiding him like everyone was telling her after being molested in storage, she invited him to go even further. She was doing the exact opposite of avoiding him actually, she was ramping up her involvement with him. Sneaking out behind her hubby's back dressed like a slut to meet him. That's the greenest of lights. The blackmail started after she stopped engaging him, when she figured out there was no real transaction to be made.

Your analogy about soldiers makes no sense. It's textbook false equivalence. Threat of dying is part of a soldier's job description. Accepting the possibility of sexual favors as part of getting an office job is insane. Definitely not on the job description.

Or actually it makes perfect sense. You know which profession has sexual activities as part of the job description? A sex worker's. She sure was looking the part don't you think?

I knew prof has written an amazing manipulator character with very realistic dialogue...but damn people.

What you're saying actually makes a lot of logical sense — your breakdown of her escalating behavior with Jared is coherent and honestly hard to argue against. But I genuinely don’t think the dev planned it that far. He did what he usually does: push for maximum tension without fully measuring the coherence or long-term impact on the story or characters. From everything we’ve seen, it feels more like he wanted to generate shock and conflict around Jared, not build a psychologically consistent arc.


That said — already the Damien arc severely damaged the story’s foundation. If the narrative goes further and confirms that Lacey did engage sexually with Jared behind MC’s back, then it’s over. Not just the relationship — the entire story collapses. You can’t market this as a tale of healing and redemption and then slip in betrayal as a "trauma response" or some morally grey subplot. That’s not subversion — that’s incoherence. At that point, there’s truly nothing left to salvage, neither in the characters nor in the author’s intent.

 

[Fitharia]

What you're saying actually makes a lot of logical sense — your breakdown of her escalating behavior with Jared is coherent and honestly hard to argue against. But I genuinely don’t think the dev planned it that far. He did what he usually does: push for maximum tension without fully measuring the coherence or long-term impact on the story or characters. From everything we’ve seen, it feels more like he wanted to generate shock and conflict around Jared, not build a psychologically consistent arc.


That said — already the Damien arc severely damaged the story’s foundation. If the narrative goes further and confirms that Lacey did engage sexually with Jared behind MC’s back, then it’s over. Not just the relationship — the entire story collapses. You can’t market this as a tale of healing and redemption and then slip in betrayal as a "trauma response" or some morally grey subplot. That’s not subversion — that’s incoherence. At that point, there’s truly nothing left to salvage, neither in the characters nor in the author’s intent.

You all keep forgetting Jared acts like a bull, but he is far from a bull, his dick is even only 1/3 of the mc, honestly I think Lacey would have laughed at him with his tiny dick, like she does kinda redicule Lorenzo with his pencil dick. Lacey somewhat feel to me more like a size queen, but Isaac is just to big.

 

[AL.d]

What you're saying actually makes a lot of logical sense — your breakdown of her escalating behavior with Jared is coherent and honestly hard to argue against. But I genuinely don’t think the dev planned it that far. He did what he usually does: push for maximum tension without fully measuring the coherence or long-term impact on the story or characters. From everything we’ve seen, it feels more like he wanted to generate shock and conflict around Jared, not build a psychologically consistent arc.


That said — already the Damien arc severely damaged the story’s foundation. If the narrative goes further and confirms that Lacey did engage sexually with Jared behind MC’s back, then it’s over. Not just the relationship — the entire story collapses. You can’t market this as a tale of healing and redemption and then slip in betrayal as a "trauma response" or some morally grey subplot. That’s not subversion — that’s incoherence. At that point, there’s truly nothing left to salvage, neither in the characters nor in the author’s intent.

I think he left it nebulous on purpose. The facts under logical scrutiny show cheating. But then he uses Lacey to deny that the constant quacking comes from a duck. Practically using the most unreliable character to disprove it on purpose, with no other character able to corroborate. It creates tension without 100% confirmation, leaving it to the player's interpretation.

I doubt we will see Jared again. That subplot went exactly like dev wanted to create the vibe of lie after lie increasingly feeding suspicion for act 1. It was a recurring theme throughout that act.

 

[rhune]

I think he left it nebulous on purpose. The facts under logical scrutiny show cheating. But then he uses Lacey to deny that the constant quacking comes from a duck. Practically using the most unreliable character to disprove it on purpose, with no other character able to corroborate. It creates tension without 100% confirmation, leaving it to the player's interpretation.

I doubt we will see Jared again. That subplot went exactly like dev wanted to create the vibe of lie after lie increasingly feeding suspicion for act 1. It was a recurring theme throughout that act.

You're right — the dev deliberately used Lacey’s unreliable perspective and a lack of external confirmation to manufacture ambiguity. It’s clearly designed to create tension without explicitly showing the betrayal, letting players argue endlessly about what really happened. Classic move — though frankly, a bit disappointing given the overall writing quality.

 

[DeviantFun]

You're right — the dev deliberately used Lacey’s unreliable perspective and a lack of external confirmation to manufacture ambiguity. It’s clearly designed to create tension without explicitly showing the betrayal, letting players argue endlessly about what really happened. Classic move — though frankly, a bit disappointing given the overall writing quality.

Exactly, I think we are going to the deep end here, from extending Isaac's 3 weeks to six months, speculating without any logic aside from "it has to be like this because Jared is X or people here would do X".

It is going to drive you to insanity and more importantly completely away from the actual story.

rhune is right here, if ANYTHING happened between Jared and Lacey, which didn't, but if anything happened, the story is over.
There is no coming back from something like this and Dragonlight is absolutely right in his description of the human nature, it is what Lacey said in less eloquent words.

I am not innocent myself, as I speculate about Lacey's past plenty, but I try to do so with clear evidence present in the game.
You are all basing your theories on "a normal person would do this" or "this character would do that", why?
Did any of you expect the piece of shit pimp to bring drugs?
Or Isaac being a nice guy that is now BFF with MC?

Damn we even got theories of folks saying that the jerk at the gym as been planted by Isaac, which is so far off (he actually stops and exchange jabs with him when MC is already in another country) that made my eyes water.

Lacey in act 1 is in a hole, it is shown again and again that she is functionally demented, she has one thing in mind: being accepted from MC and give him back something, anything so that she can try and make amends.
When she discovers he is a virgin she cries, because she knows it is her fault that he lost so much of his life.
Granted, she then didn't even ask about HIS college life for a fucking year after they got married, but that is another story.

So, did she act like a common skank? yes
does she hurt MC? yes
where the damian thing and jelousy date the most disgusting and abusive thing shown until now? Absolutely
did she play dress up doll for a rapist? yes

But all the stuff we are now piling and pinning on Lacey are almost nonsensical in the game world.
Go and pick on her on the stuff she actually does.

Ofc now that I said this, act 3 will show Lacey being gangbanged at Jared parties

Edit: I want to be clear here, Lacey does things that SHE thinks that will make MC happier or accept her more, obviously this is all bullshit, she is demented for thinking that any of those things could work.
But this is Lacey act 1 and a bit even in act 2, she does stuff thinking this will be good for MC, with her own ulterior motives that she is either unaware or ashamed to talk about, for Jared it was validation, for Isaac too mixed with curiosity.
She is toxic as fuck, and I amnot denying that, what I am deniying is the various events that we pin that we have NO proof about and actually have proof against.

 

[CrysusPariah2]

Exactly, I think we are going to the deep end here, from extending Isaac's 3 weeks to six months, speculating without any logic aside from "it has to be like this because Jared is X or people here would do X".

It is going to drive you to insanity and more importantly completely away from the actual story.

rhune is right here, if ANYTHING happened between Jared and Lacey, which didn't, but if anything happened, the story is over.
There is no coming back from something like this and Dragonlight is absolutely right in his description of the human nature, it is what Lacey said in less eloquent words.

I am not innocent myself, as I speculate about Lacey's past plenty, but I try to do so with clear evidence present in the game.
You are all basing your theories on "a normal person would do this" or "this character would do that", why?
Did any of you expect the piece of shit pimp to bring drugs?
Or Isaac being a nice guy that is now BFF with MC?

Damn we even got theories of folks saying that the jerk at the gym as been planted by Isaac, which is so far off (he actually stops and exchange jabs with him when MC is already in another country) that made my eyes water.

Lacey in act 1 is in a hole, it is shown again and again that she is functionally demented, she has one thing in mind: being accepted from MC and give him back something, anything so that she can try and make amends.
When she discovers he is a virgin she cries, because she knows it is her fault that he lost so much of his life.
Granted, she then didn't even ask about HIS college life for a fucking year after they got married, but that is another story.

So, did she act like a common skank? yes
does she hurt MC? yes
where the damian thing and jelousy date the most disgusting and abusive thing shown until now? Absolutely

But all the stuff we are now piling and pinning on Lacey are almost nonsensical in the game world.
Go and pick on her on the stuff she actually does.

Ofc now that I said this, act 3 will show Lacey being gangbanged at Jared parties

DeviantFun defending Lacey again. Things must have truly gone of the deep end again

In line with the Jared speculation, i am hoping that if something happened, it has to do with Lacey’s other side
That mystery is going to be nagging at me for months

 

[DeviantFun]

DeviantFun defending Lacey again. Things must have truly gone of the deep end again

In line with the Jared speculation, i am hoping that if something happened, it has to do with Lacey’s other side
That mystery is going to be nagging at me for months

I am a man of integrity, justice above all.
If you see me raise my shield for Lacey it means we really went too far
Damn I tried to remove it from my memories but someone forced me to defend the fucking pimp a couple of days ago.

This is how far my sense of justice will drive me.

The other side I really really really hope it is not sexual, it would be so boring, even if it could be tied to the last lesson from the pimp.

 

[rhune]

DeviantFun defending Lacey again. Things must have truly gone of the deep end again

In line with the Jared speculation, i am hoping that if something happened, it has to do with Lacey’s other side
That mystery is going to be nagging at me for months

I don’t think DeviantFun is defending Lacey per se — he’s defending the professor’s narrative structure, and I get his point. With everything we’ve already had — Damien, the jealousy date, all the emotional wreckage — if you also add a behind-the-back hookup with Jared, it stops being a tragic love story. It becomes the worst kind of soap opera — the kind that runs at 1 p.m. and makes The Bold and the Beautiful look like Shakespeare.

 

[Dragonlight]

Why would he do that when everything was going well for him? She knew what he wanted and she kept engaging. Instead of avoiding him like everyone was telling her after being molested in storage, she invited him to go even further. She was doing the exact opposite of avoiding him actually, she was ramping up her involvement with him. Sneaking out behind her hubby's back dressed like a slut to meet him. That's the greenest of lights. The blackmail started after she stopped engaging him, when she figured out there was no real transaction to be made.

Your analogy about soldiers makes no sense. It's textbook false equivalence. Threat of dying is part of a soldier's job description. Accepting the possibility of sexual favors as part of getting an office job is insane. Definitely not on the job description.

Or actually it makes perfect sense. You know which profession has sexual activities as part of the job description? A sex worker's. She sure was looking the part don't you think?

I knew prof has written an amazing manipulator character with very realistic dialogue...but damn people.

What is false about it ? Do you think that people who sign up with the army accept that they are going to die ? Quiet the opposite in fact. Even people volunteering for extra dangerous jobs, actually don't intend to die.

So I don't think Lacey intended to trade sexual favors. Easy.

By the way. If Lacey amazing manipulator, why not assume that it is she who was trying to play Jared ?

EDIT

Ofc now that I said this, act 3 will show Lacey being gangbanged at Jared parties

I swear I had the same thought as I was writing

 

[DeviantFun]

I don’t think DeviantFun is defending Lacey per se — he’s defending the professor’s narrative structure, and I get his point. With everything we’ve already had — Damien, the jealousy date, all the emotional wreckage — if you also add a behind-the-back hookup with Jared, it stops being a tragic love story. It becomes the worst kind of soap opera — the kind that runs at 1 p.m. and makes The Bold and the Beautiful look like Shakespeare.

Yeah maybe, instead of the narrative structure, the story itself.

The author does a lot of shock value stuff, but it is often bait and switch, which might be a problem in the future for me because the video moment was completely lost on me, it was obviously a bait.
What was not lost is how MC anger came out that way and didn't with the damian stuff, but maybe we are supposed to perceive it as worse.

Even if you look at the damian stuff, it is bait and switch, filled to the brim of shock value.
As a player you can perceive it with her being unfaithful (she was, try to give me some rope here) but then you discover she was on K, but most importantly, why she was on K.
And this is not explained to MC but to the pimp, there are no lies in the Lacey - pimp pipeline (there are lies on the opposite pipeline tho, because the pimp is garbage).

Anyway, I enjoy the talks and I don't want to shut anyone down from discussing the game, so I-ll go in my corner to replay the king weekend event to see Lacey squirm.

by the way, want to add some manipulation stuff to the table? look at the king weekend.
A lousy tradeoff compared to what MC had to endure (unless you are a sane person and stop at the kiss) and she makes it all about herself after 1 day.
I feel vulnerable because there are other women that want you here, I think my ears started to bleed when I read that line.
IT WAS YOUR IDEA, SUCK IT UP AND KEEP ON WALKING TROOPER.
Not only her past already almost ruined the weekend 3 or 4 times, but now MC can't even enjoy it and needs to console her?
What a great gift really.

What is false about it ? Do you think that people who sign up with the army accept that they are going to die ? Quiet the opposite in fact. Even people volunteering for extra dangerous jobs, actually don't intend to die.

So I don't think Lacey intended to trade sexual favors. Easy.

By the way. If Lacey amazing manipulator, why not assume that it is she who was trying to play Jared ?

I kind of agree, she says so herself, she hoped that Jared would stop acting like this after the job, and realizes how stupid that thought was.
But now she had added the sunken cost fallacy to the whole thing and let it go on too much.

Hm she is an amazing manipulator but in this case she was looking for validation and felt the difference of power scale inside of the company.
But she definitely lead him on, being always available for him and ignoring the alarms going off in her head when jared approached her in the closet.
So that is a form of manipulation, remember, the biggest form of manipulation she uses with MC is weaponized sex.

 

[AL.d]

What is false about it ? Do you think that people who sign up with the army accept that they are going to die ? Quiet the opposite in fact. Even people volunteering for extra dangerous jobs, actually don't intend to die.

So I don't think Lacey intended to trade sexual favors. Easy.

By the way. If Lacey amazing manipulator, why not assume that it is she who was trying to play Jared ?

In a sense she was. She wasn't intending to become his permanent office slut like he imagined. What she was doing was transactional with some added spice she is always getting from male attention. She was playing his willing whore to whatever extent it happened, until she secured the imaginary job. But he was also playing her because there was no job. They are both narcissists after all, just different types.

Well, what you are thinking has already been proven wrong but you do you. Intentionally dressing like a whore for him was already a sexual favor. He requested something that provides sexual gratification and she was doing it for him. What is uncertain is the extent.

You argument about death in a profession whose main purpose is armed combat, not being accepted as part of the job is....certainly a take....

 

[winterwolf200]

Aliright. @DevianFun is going to flip again, but I feel like I need to point out one more thing about Jared and Bella and what I believe the dev has in store for that plotline.
So...Bella asks the MC to hand over the phone so she can talk to Lacey privately in the other room. What could she possibly need to say to her that couldn't be said in front of the woman's husband, especially under those circumstances? Any plausible ideas??? Because the MC assumes that they've had a heart to heart, and he doesn't asks about it. BUT the author makes a note of this through the MC's monologue. So it's important.
I believe that Bella came in unaware of what to expect, or whom, and she had a "Oh, shit. That's Lacey's husband" moment. "THAT Lacey". The one she met at the parties that were being held at Jader's and HER mansion. She's the one with the money.
She realized who the fuck this is, went through the footage, and Abby's confession, but her actual reactions are presented through the MC's eyes, with his concern for her, his hovering and his support. He believes that she's feeling what he'd feel. Because he can't fathom the open relationship mentality, or anything weirder. He's still innocent.
Bella later wakes up to find Jared at the edge of the bed, jerking it to the blowjob vid she made with the MC. So with everything she's supposedly just learned, she's still sharing a bed with the guy?? The author could have said she found him in the bathroom, or something, if the bed sharing wasn't an important point.

So Lacey rants about suicide, and the MC "introduces" Bella to Lacey. Bella and Lacey talk privately - " Hey. it's me. Relax. Your husband doesn't know, and I'm not planning on telling him. But you owe me. I'm also going to shoot a clip for my cuck of a fiancee. Thoughts?". Or Lacey said "I want you to do for my husband what you had me/ I had to do for yours".

Bella comes back offering the MC a blowjob that she's filming, the MC goes along with it for his own reasons, and magically doesn't regard it as cheating on/hurting his wife, and neither he nor Lacey bring this up in the future.

Wouldn't it be weird if Bella/Jared had their mansion right next to the one that Isaac is selling to the MC?