VN Ren'Py Love & Jealousy [Act 2] [Professor Amethyst Games]

[Dragonlight]

You argument about death in a profession whose main purpose is armed combat, not being accepted as part of the job is....certainly a take....

You`re being intentionally dense ? I didnt said what you I think I said. It is accepted as part of the job sure, but not all soldiers accept that they are going to die. Get it ? They hope that they wont have to. Given they choice they prefer not to die.
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Well, what you are thinking has already been proven wrong but you do you. Intentionally dressing like a whore for him was already a sexual favor. He requested something that provides sexual gratification and she was doing it for him. What is uncertain is the extent.

Thats not quite how I remember it.

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That doen`t look like he requested it for him. More like he manipulated her.
Still, not a sexual favor for Jared.

She is being too oblivious during the whole Jared arc. Maybe she is leading him on, but dont want for anyone, especially MC, to find out.

 

[AL.d]

You`re being intentionally dense ? I didnt said what you I think I said. It is accepted as part of the job sure, but not all soldiers accept that they are going to die. Get it ? They hope that they wont have to. Given they choice they prefer not to die.

And sexual favors for a co worker, is not part of an office job in any conceivable way, that someone has to accept it as a possible risk in pursuing it. Like a soldier does for death in his. If someone in the office wants to fuck me for a promotion, I either go to HR or leave that job. If bombs are dropping, the soldier has no other choice but keep pursuing the mission because that's literally his job.

You get now why your analogy is fucked? Can't spell it out more for you, just google false equivalence if you don't know wtf it is.

She is being too oblivious during the whole Jared arc. Maybe she is leading him on, but dont want for anyone, especially MC, to find out.

This line is contradictory. She can't be both oblivious and also feel guilty about what she is doing and hiding it. It's either one or the other.

She had already talked with MC about her change of clothing and told him she will stop because she now knows their intentions. And yet she not only did not, but ramped it up behind his back. At least you are getting somewhere with the last part. I was beginning to think you are seeing her as an oblivious nun.

 

[Fmedic]

Exactly, I think we are going to the deep end here, from extending Isaac's 3 weeks to six months, speculating without any logic aside from "it has to be like this because Jared is X or people here would do X".

It is going to drive you to insanity and more importantly completely away from the actual story.

rhune is right here, if ANYTHING happened between Jared and Lacey, which didn't, but if anything happened, the story is over.
There is no coming back from something like this and Dragonlight is absolutely right in his description of the human nature, it is what Lacey said in less eloquent words.

I am not innocent myself, as I speculate about Lacey's past plenty, but I try to do so with clear evidence present in the game.
You are all basing your theories on "a normal person would do this" or "this character would do that", why?
Did any of you expect the piece of shit pimp to bring drugs?
Or Isaac being a nice guy that is now BFF with MC?

Damn we even got theories of folks saying that the jerk at the gym as been planted by Isaac, which is so far off (he actually stops and exchange jabs with him when MC is already in another country) that made my eyes water.

Lacey in act 1 is in a hole, it is shown again and again that she is functionally demented, she has one thing in mind: being accepted from MC and give him back something, anything so that she can try and make amends.
When she discovers he is a virgin she cries, because she knows it is her fault that he lost so much of his life.
Granted, she then didn't even ask about HIS college life for a fucking year after they got married, but that is another story.

So, did she act like a common skank? yes
does she hurt MC? yes
where the damian thing and jelousy date the most disgusting and abusive thing shown until now? Absolutely
did she play dress up doll for a rapist? yes

But all the stuff we are now piling and pinning on Lacey are almost nonsensical in the game world.
Go and pick on her on the stuff she actually does.

Ofc now that I said this, act 3 will show Lacey being gangbanged at Jared parties

Edit: I want to be clear here, Lacey does things that SHE thinks that will make MC happier or accept her more, obviously this is all bullshit, she is demented for thinking that any of those things could work.
But this is Lacey act 1 and a bit even in act 2, she does stuff thinking this will be good for MC, with her own ulterior motives that she is either unaware or ashamed to talk about, for Jared it was validation, for Isaac too mixed with curiosity.
She is toxic as fuck, and I amnot denying that, what I am deniying is the various events that we pin that we have NO proof about and actually have proof against.

Thank you, we are basically on the same page with everything, we are making a lot of mountains out of a grain of sand. I still believe this is out of frustration with the story as written. We have no control over it.
IE: Readers choice (but we didn't have a choice)
1. Lacey goes through with Damian thing (would not have been my choice)
2. Veronica stops Lacey at the bar (what she was supposed to do but MC lets her off)
3. Veronica find Lacey and Damian at hotel and stops them before it gets out of control

Possible covering DEVs 3 "Routes"

These possibilities could be all though this story - but there not

The only choices we have are if he goes to lunch with someone or not - except the gay route is a choice, DEV was thoughtful enough to make that a readers choice. Thank God again

I think I have done everything to be on the GG role, but seeing that the "no fun" route might actually backfire, I don't know

 

[Dragonlight]

And sexual favors for a co worker, is not part of an office job in any conceivable way, that someone has to accept it as a possible risk in pursuing it. Like a soldier does for death in his. If someone in the office wants to fuck me for a promotion, I either go to HR or leave that job. If bombs are dropping, the soldier has no other choice but keep pursuing the mission because that's literally his job.

You get now why your analogy is fucked? Can't spell it out more for you, just google false equivalence if you don't know wtf it is.

You are too fixated on the soldier thing that you keep missing my point. Its just an example. Maybe no the best one. Even soldiers have a choice to retreat or surrender sometimes. People accept risk all the time to get something they want, or do something dangerous thinking that they will be fine.

You are not Lacey, Lacey is Lacey. So what is the point of what you or me would do in that situation ? She accept the risk, because she is Lacey - a brain damaged manipulator, who wants to make her husband proud. I am even pretty sure that she get enjoyment from attention. But did she accept that she is going to do something sexual with Jared ? Think not.

This line is contradictory. She can't be both oblivious and also feel guilty about what she is doing and hiding it. It's either one or the other.

Sorry, what I meant to say is she acts too oblivious, when explaining her actions. I think she knew what she was doing more or less. Doesn`t mean she intended to fuck Jared though.

 

[Maviarab]

and magically doesn't regard it as cheating on/hurting his wife, and neither he nor Lacey bring this up in the future.

BE "But before I go, I'd like to ask a favor."
MC "Anything."
BE "Don't be in such a rush to agree."
BE "It was actually your wife's idea."
BE "I happen to be a big fan."
MC "If it's Lacey's idea then I'm in."

Why would he not believe her at that point?

This line is contradictory. She can't be both oblivious and also feel guilty about what she is doing and hiding it. It's either one or the other.

This. What's the old saying? If you think you need to hide it, then you should not be doing it. It's really very simple. So as you say, she can't be both oblivious and guilty. It's one or the other and ultimately, she went along with said suggestion, so is guilty.

 

[winterwolf200]

BE "But before I go, I'd like to ask a favor."
MC "Anything."
BE "Don't be in such a rush to agree."
BE "It was actually your wife's idea."
BE "I happen to be a big fan."
MC "If it's Lacey's idea then I'm in."

Why would he not believe her at that point?

Because that's his reaction to pretty much everything else. Including his wife's ideas for their relationship. Like having sex with Anna.

 

[Fmedic]

Speaking of DEVs 3 "main routes", what the hell is bimbifacation? (or however it is written) that's what I guess I sticking with

I believe that Devient said that was the best route due to content

I really don't want my wife (the love of my life) to be a bimbo but the no fun route does seem, uuuummmmm no fun

 

[CrysusPariah2]

Speaking of DEVs 3 "main routes", what the hell is bimbifacation? (or however it is written) that's what I guess I sticking with

I believe that Devient said that was the best route due to content

I really don't want my wife (the love of my life) to be a bimbo but the no fun route does seem, uuuummmmm no fun

Big boobs, provocative clothing, plastic surgery, slutty behaviour, also often associated with stupidity or and least behaving like they are

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[Dragonlight]

This. What's the old saying? If you think you need to hide it, then you should not be doing it. It's really very simple. So as you say, she can't be both oblivious and guilty. It's one or the other and ultimately, she went along with said suggestion, so is guilty.

I mean the sequence of events is like that.
First Jared made remark about her clothes.
Then he tried to get to her through tennis dates, but Anna interfered.
Then he invented job offer.
The rest is history.
And Lacey was easily influenced every time. And clothes don't have a correlation with a job offer.
More I re read parts of this, the more I inclined to believe that there is no hidden meaning and should be read as was written.
Lacey is an easily manipulated dum-dum,( why she tried to introduce Jared and MC if not dum-dum?) likes attention, want to get promotion, but don't want to do any sexual favors. Pretty straightforward.
I am getting pretty tired as it is late night for me, so I retire for today.

 

[DeviantFun]

Thank you, we are basically on the same page with everything, we are making a lot of mountains out of a grain of sand. I still believe this is out of frustration with the story as written. We have no control over it.
IE: Readers choice (but we didn't have a choice)
1. Lacey goes through with Damian thing (would not have been my choice)
2. Veronica stops Lacey at the bar (what she was supposed to do but MC lets her off)
3. Veronica find Lacey and Damian at hotel and stops them before it gets out of control

Possible covering DEVs 3 "Routes"

These possibilities could be all though this story - but there not

The only choices we have are if he goes to lunch with someone or not - except the gay route is a choice, DEV was thoughtful enough to make that a readers choice. Thank God again

I think I have done everything to be on the GG role, but seeing that the "no fun" route might actually backfire, I don't know

Yeah the choices are llimited but I think it is related on how the author wants the story to go and avoid massive branching.
My fear for the no fun route is that it could have a lot of manipulative sharing.

Also you are wrong about Jamie, I think it could be an interesting route, maybe you can get lacey to peg him with a cockknocker 250, or some serious bimbo tits.

Speaking of DEVs 3 "main routes", what the hell is bimbifacation? (or however it is written) that's what I guess I sticking with

I believe that Devient said that was the best route due to content

I really don't want my wife (the love of my life) to be a bimbo but the no fun route does seem, uuuummmmm no fun

The slut path can have bimbofication content.

It is related like CrysusPariah2 mentioned to the bimbo concept.
The main point of the fetish is body transformation, into a hypersexualized version, hourglass shape, big boobs, big ass (modern bimbos have TOO much ass imo, due to BBL that looks like shit) and possibly big lips, also referred to as cock pilows in the genre.

I suggested the slut path for a different reason, in act 1 it simply has more insight and content about Lacey backstory.
Like a LOT more exposition, you still get some at the end of the act.

My suggestion is not valid for act 2, act 2 slut path is abysmal, based on roleplaying and abolutely disgusting as a concept for MC.
But well, Mc is fine with it, he should actually be able to refuse like in act 1 as soon as he hears the name of the dress.

Between the two, fetish wise, I would rather have punish + bimbofication, but I can see how it fits with the slut path.

 

[Fmedic]

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HAHAHAHA, Thanks - I should have gone to Google University

 

[winterwolf200]

Aliright. @DevianFun is going to flip again, but I feel like I need to point out one more thing about Jared and Bella and what I believe the dev has in store for that plotline.
So...Bella asks the MC to hand over the phone so she can talk to Lacey privately in the other room. What could she possibly need to say to her that couldn't be said in front of the woman's husband, especially under those circumstances? Any plausible ideas??? Because the MC assumes that they've had a heart to heart, and he doesn't asks about it. BUT the author makes a note of this through the MC's monologue. So it's important.
I believe that Bella came in unaware of what to expect, or whom, and she had a "Oh, shit. That's Lacey's husband" moment. "THAT Lacey". The one she met at the parties that were being held at Jader's and HER mansion. She's the one with the money.
She realized who the fuck this is, went through the footage, and Abby's confession, but her actual reactions are presented through the MC's eyes, with his concern for her, his hovering and his support. He believes that she's feeling what he'd feel. Because he can't fathom the open relationship mentality, or anything weirder. He's still innocent.
Bella later wakes up to find Jared at the edge of the bed, jerking it to the blowjob vid she made with the MC. So with everything she's supposedly just learned, she's still sharing a bed with the guy?? The author could have said she found him in the bathroom, or something, if the bed sharing wasn't an important point.

So Lacey rants about suicide, and the MC "introduces" Bella to Lacey. Bella and Lacey talk privately - " Hey. it's me. Relax. Your husband doesn't know, and I'm not planning on telling him. But you owe me. I'm also going to shoot a clip for my cuck of a fiancee. Thoughts?". Or Lacey said "I want you to do for my husband what you had me/ I had to do for yours".

Bella comes back offering the MC a blowjob that she's filming, the MC goes along with it for his own reasons, and magically doesn't regard it as cheating on/hurting his wife, and neither he nor Lacey bring this up in the future.

Wouldn't it be weird if Bella/Jared had their mansion right next to the one that Isaac is selling to the MC?

Is this opinion so unlikely that no one is commenting on it, or was it just the unfortunate placement as last on a page?

 

[DeviantFun]

Is this opinion so unlikely that no one is commenting on it, or was it just the unfortunate placement as last on a page?

Ok you called me out so here I am

Yeah your opinion is kind of all over the place, like me and others have said we are literally digging in the sea.

Although I will try to go over some of your points:

Aliright. @DevianFun is going to flip again, but I feel like I need to point out one more thing about Jared and Bella and what I believe the dev has in store for that plotline.
So...Bella asks the MC to hand over the phone so she can talk to Lacey privately in the other room. What could she possibly need to say to her that couldn't be said in front of the woman's husband, especially under those circumstances? Any plausible ideas??? Because the MC assumes that they've had a heart to heart, and he doesn't asks about it. BUT the author makes a note of this through the MC's monologue. So it's important.

It is important but not for the reasons you think, being cheated on is humiliating, Bella being left alone with Lacey means they can talk more openly and without being wary of humiliating each other or being hurt unnecessarily, it is common courtesy.
Also, it could be a writer trick to avoid having to write down a full on conversation which will spoil the prize of the whole arc, which is the Bella BJ.

The author goes back and forth about making the MC the narrator, so it can get a bit confusing at times.


I believe that Bella came in unaware of what to expect, or whom, and she had a "Oh, shit. That's Lacey's husband" moment. "THAT Lacey". The one she met at the parties that were being held at Jader's and HER mansion. She's the one with the money.
She realized who the fuck this is, went through the footage, and Abby's confession, but her actual reactions are presented through the MC's eyes, with his concern for her, his hovering and his support. He believes that she's feeling what he'd feel. Because he can't fathom the open relationship mentality, or anything weirder. He's still innocent.
Bella later wakes up to find Jared at the edge of the bed, jerking it to the blowjob vid she made with the MC. So with everything she's supposedly just learned, she's still sharing a bed with the guy?? The author could have said she found him in the bathroom, or something, if the bed sharing wasn't an important point.

This is, like we say in my country, a castle built in the air.
Bella retaliates heavily against Jared, if she was the host of the parties this should not be the case and things would have gone poorly for MC.
There is literally no indication of her being involved in any of this and she is also surprised that she got cheated on for years.
She is shocked for the whole event.
Christine was asked to leave because she didn't want to ruin the image of his uncle.
Have you texted Bella in act 2? Try that and let me know what you think.

So Lacey rants about suicide, and the MC "introduces" Bella to Lacey. Bella and Lacey talk privately - " Hey. it's me. Relax. Your husband doesn't know, and I'm not planning on telling him. But you owe me. I'm also going to shoot a clip for my cuck of a fiancee. Thoughts?". Or Lacey said "I want you to do for my husband what you had me/ I had to do for yours".

Bella comes back offering the MC a blowjob that she's filming, the MC goes along with it for his own reasons, and magically doesn't regard it as cheating on/hurting his wife, and neither he nor Lacey bring this up in the future.

Pure and unadultered speculation, I keep on warning people that we are discussing L&J, not your specific headcanon because it is impossible to discuss.
I can tell you "sure that happened 100%" because I don't have any way to tell you that it didn't happen, I can only tell you what is actually written in the story.
At that point, with rape and suicide on the line, and with how Bella has been presented as a character you think she is pulling Lacey's strings from the background?
I can only say it is extremely unlikeable that something like this happened.
First, because Jared did not have sexual relations with Lacey
Second, because Bella is surprised as well that Jared likes that stuff after he spent most of his time raping married women
Third, Bella is shown in distress during the whole ordeal

What, in this whole conversation, made you give birth to your idea aside from paranoia and a dislike for Lacey?

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Wouldn't it be weird if Bella/Jared had their mansion right next to the one that Isaac is selling to the MC?

Who knows, it could lead to some funny scenarios.

 

[anongamer1983]

Also, it could be a writer trick to avoid having to write down a full on conversation which will spoil the prize of the whole arc, which is the Bella BJ.

You beat me to the response! I had a very long response almost ready and then I read yours, and it says basically the same things XD

 

[winterwolf200]

Ok you called me out so here I am

Yeah your opinion is kind of all over the place, like me and others have said we are literally digging in the sea.

Although I will try to go over some of your points:

Aliright. @DevianFun is going to flip again, but I feel like I need to point out one more thing about Jared and Bella and what I believe the dev has in store for that plotline.
So...Bella asks the MC to hand over the phone so she can talk to Lacey privately in the other room. What could she possibly need to say to her that couldn't be said in front of the woman's husband, especially under those circumstances? Any plausible ideas??? Because the MC assumes that they've had a heart to heart, and he doesn't asks about it. BUT the author makes a note of this through the MC's monologue. So it's important.

It is important but not for the reasons you think, being cheated on is humiliating, Bella being left alone with Lacey means they can talk more openly and without being wary of humiliating each other or being hurt unnecessarily, it is common courtesy.
Also, it could be a writer trick to avoid having to write down a full on conversation which will spoil the prize of the whole arc, which is the Bella BJ.

The author goes back and forth about making the MC the narrator, so it can get a bit confusing at times.


I believe that Bella came in unaware of what to expect, or whom, and she had a "Oh, shit. That's Lacey's husband" moment. "THAT Lacey". The one she met at the parties that were being held at Jader's and HER mansion. She's the one with the money.
She realized who the fuck this is, went through the footage, and Abby's confession, but her actual reactions are presented through the MC's eyes, with his concern for her, his hovering and his support. He believes that she's feeling what he'd feel. Because he can't fathom the open relationship mentality, or anything weirder. He's still innocent.
Bella later wakes up to find Jared at the edge of the bed, jerking it to the blowjob vid she made with the MC. So with everything she's supposedly just learned, she's still sharing a bed with the guy?? The author could have said she found him in the bathroom, or something, if the bed sharing wasn't an important point.

This is, like we say in my country, a castle built in the air.
Bella retaliates heavily against Jared, if she was the host of the parties this should not be the case and things would have gone poorly for MC.
There is literally no indication of her being involved in any of this and she is also surprised that she got cheated on for years.
She is shocked for the whole event.
Christine was asked to leave because she didn't want to ruin the image of his uncle.
Have you texted Bella in act 2? Try that and let me know what you think.

So Lacey rants about suicide, and the MC "introduces" Bella to Lacey. Bella and Lacey talk privately - " Hey. it's me. Relax. Your husband doesn't know, and I'm not planning on telling him. But you owe me. I'm also going to shoot a clip for my cuck of a fiancee. Thoughts?". Or Lacey said "I want you to do for my husband what you had me/ I had to do for yours".

Bella comes back offering the MC a blowjob that she's filming, the MC goes along with it for his own reasons, and magically doesn't regard it as cheating on/hurting his wife, and neither he nor Lacey bring this up in the future.

Pure and unadultered speculation, I keep on warning people that we are discussing L&J, not your specific headcanon because it is impossible to discuss.
I can tell you "sure that happened 100%" because I don't have any way to tell you that it didn't happen, I can only tell you what is actually written in the story.
At that point, with rape and suicide on the line, and with how Bella has been presented as a character you think she is pulling Lacey's strings from the background?
I can only say it is extremely unlikeable that something like this happened.
First, because Jared did not have sexual relations with Lacey
Second, because Bella is surprised as well that Jared likes that stuff after he spent most of his time raping married women
Third, Bella is shown in distress during the whole ordeal

What, in this whole conversation, made you give birth to your idea aside from paranoia and a dislike for Lacey?

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Wouldn't it be weird if Bella/Jared had their mansion right next to the one that Isaac is selling to the MC?

Who knows, it could lead to some funny scenarios.

1. "being cheated on is humiliating, Bella being left alone with Lacey means they can talk more openly and without being wary of humiliating each other or being hurt unnecessarily" - Being cheated on is something she has in common with the MC. NOT Lacey. What exactly would she have to say to her, after everything else she saw and heard? Please explain your point.
What COULDN'T she say to/ask Lacey in front of Lacey's distraught husband???????

2."Bella retaliates heavily against Jared " - She says so, and perhaps she does, because he got caught, and not getting him fired might make the MC go public with the scandal. She doesn't really know him. All she's seen is how he put all this evidence together. So...seemingly very capable and determined. What other choice does she have?
But, they are STILL sleeping in the same bed. What cockamamie retaliation is THAT??? How can you reconcile these two FACTS?

3."she got cheated on for years." - SEX PARTIES in his or their home. For years !!! She never knew...Come ooon.

4."with how Bella has been presented as a character" - by whom??? By the MC that's seeing her through tinted glasses. Because he sees himself in her. He thinks they both got cheated on. And the author did warn us that the MC is the narrator, and that because of his skewed views, he may get it wrong on occasion. So, considering the suspicious points above, wouldn't it make at least a bit of sense that THIS would be one of those occasions? "Written in the story", indeed.

5. "Jared did not have sexual relations with Lacey" - That's "Pure and unadultered speculation". But as she jokingly said later on in the game, if she wants to get fucked, all she has to do is go to the marketing & planning department. Coming from Lacey, it's either a joke, or the voice of experience. Also why would you believe what Lacey said to the MC, and not what Jared said to him about fucking her? She has a demonstrably worse track record as far as we know.

6." Bella is shown in distress during the whole ordeal" - No she is not. She gets overwhelmed by the MC's attempts to comfort her, even before she's told what the hell this is really about. And at one point she grabs hold of his arm herself. The rest is just the MC projecting.

7. "Bella is surprised as well that Jared likes that stuff"- ok. Sure. She's also surprised about the years of sex parties at their home...Or maybe she's stroking the MC's ego, so he will feel that it's punishment enough, and won't suddenly decide to go public. Or, she's just flirting.

8."What, in this whole conversation, made you give birth to your idea aside from paranoia and a dislike for Lacey?" -
a. Lacey's obvious attempt at a more extreme manipulation of her husband into saying he'd rather share her than let her kill herself.
b. Bella doesn't ask for privacy when viewing several clips of her fiancee being balls deep in other women, or for Abby's confession.
c. Bella and Lacey are not in the same position, as being cheated on. Though she is with the MC, but...
d. ...neither her as "grief bro" not Lacey as his frigging wife, believe that the MC has a right to know what they talked about?????? WTF??!? Privacy, sure. From your husband???? With whom you've shared so so so much already????

 

[DeviantFun]

1. "being cheated on is humiliating, Bella being left alone with Lacey means they can talk more openly and without being wary of humiliating each other or being hurt unnecessarily" - Being cheated on is something she has in common with the MC. NOT Lacey. What exactly would she have to say to her, after everything else she saw and heard? Please explain your point.
What COULDN'T she say to/ask Lacey in front of Lacey's distraught husband???????

2."Bella retaliates heavily against Jared " - She says so, and perhaps she does, because he got caught, and not getting him fired might make the MC go public with the scandal. She doesn't really know him. All she's seen is how he put all this evidence together. So...seemingly very capable and determined. What other choice does she have?
But, they are STILL sleeping in the same bed. What cockamamie retaliation is THAT??? How can you reconcile these two FACTS?

3."she got cheated on for years." - SEX PARTIES in his or their home. For years !!! She never knew...Come ooon.

4."with how Bella has been presented as a character" - by whom??? By the MC that's seeing her through tinted glasses. Because he sees himself in her. He thinks they both got cheated on. And the author did warn us that the MC is the narrator, and that because of his skewed views, he may get it wrong on occasion. So, considering the suspicious points above, wouldn't it make at least a bit of sense that THIS would be one of those occasions? "Written in the story", indeed.

5. "Jared did not have sexual relations with Lacey" - That's "Pure and unadultered speculation". But as she jokingly said later on in the game, if she wants to get fucked, all she has to do is go to the marketing & planning department. Coming from Lacey, it's either a joke, or the voice of experience. Also why would you believe what Lacey said to the MC, and not what Jared said to him about fucking her? She has a demonstrably worse track record as far as we know.

6." Bella is shown in distress during the whole ordeal" - No she is not. She gets overwhelmed by the MC's attempts to comfort her, even before she's told what the hell this is really about. And at one point she grabs hold of his arm herself. The rest is just the MC projecting.

7. "Bella is surprised as well that Jared likes that stuff"- ok. Sure. She's also surprised about the years of sex parties at their home...Or maybe she's stroking the MC's ego, so he will feel that it's punishment enough, and won't suddenly decide to go public. Or, she's just flirting.

8."What, in this whole conversation, made you give birth to your idea aside from paranoia and a dislike for Lacey?" -
a. Lacey's obvious attempt at a more extreme manipulation of her husband into saying he'd rather share her than let her kill herself.
b. Bella doesn't ask for privacy when viewing several clips of her fiancee being balls deep in other women, or for Abby's confession.
c. Bella and Lacey are not in the same position, as being cheated on. Though she is with the MC, but...
d. ...neither her as "grief bro" not Lacey as his frigging wife, believe that the MC has a right to know what they talked about?????? WTF??!? Privacy, sure. From your husband???? With whom you've shared so so so much already????

See what I mean, you have your own headcanon that you want to push, without even having read the dialogues in the game.

1) the disraught person in the scene is Bella, MC is in control and trying to achieve things.
read the room

2) yes, like I can reconcile that MC is still with Lacey, I asked you if you played Bella messages, you thought it was more important to push a narrative than following my suggestion

3) the cheating started in college, it is literally the pivotal moment where MC and Bella make a connection and she holds him.
Junior college year, ring a bell?

4) ok so now the theory that everything is an hallucination from Mc.
I agree, in my theory MC is actually in a coma after jumping from the cliff and it is all a dream, in reality Anna is his consciousness and Kelly represents his desires.
Lacey never came back and is now working as an escort for the pimp, they organize wild parties for old bored people.

5) simple, if Jared already fucked Lacey, we wouldn't have a jared arc or at least it would be very different.
It is all in the story.

6) you have the empathy of a rock.
also, read point 4

7) again, your head canon, not represented in game, what do you want people to respond?
In reality Bella has been the orchestrator of the whole thing, she pushed Jared to act like this so she coulld get access to MC, not only that, the evan arrest was fake, those were obviously not real policemen, all placed there by Bella and Martin Vindrelli.
I hope you understand how making your absurd claims not supported by game events sound.

8) you sound like a very controlling person

 

[AL.d]

....who wants to make her husband proud.

That's the first thing you wrote in this, that I fully agree with. She may be getting other things from whatever she's doing, but that was 100% the main motive. But we disagree on what she was willing to do to achieve it.

You are not Lacey, Lacey is Lacey. So what is the point of what you or me would do in that situation ?

But my take on her actions comes precisely from understanding how Lacey thinks. Not from what I would do.

She's someone who has dissociated sex from intimacy to the extreme. She could have a train ran on her, then return home to say I love you to hubby and she would mean every word. Getting MC to accept her warped mindset when it comes to sex, was the reason behind the whole Damian fiasco after all. She doesn't hurt MC because she is evil. She hurts him because she is literally unable to understand how he feels. She can feel guilt from seeing his hurt but doesn't really get it.

Is it that much of a stretch to think someone that twisted would cross marital lines (we even know she does it later), to get what she thinks is best for them? When she doesn't even understand why they exist in the first place? In her fucked mind, there is nothing she could ever do sexually with another man, that would ever threaten her bond with MC.

Anyway, those events were left open on purpose, so any take is valid. With just her account available, you either believe her or you don't. I'm just saying that if you examine actions and personalities closer, you will maybe see how some things that look like the random thoughtless shit a "dum dum" does, start making some sense. Because she is the exact opposite of dumb and she has proven that to be a facade repeatedly.

 

[Fitharia]

See what I mean, you have your own headcanon that you want to push, without even having read the dialogues in the game.

1) the disraught person in the scene is Bella, MC is in control and trying to achieve things.
read the room

2) yes, like I can reconcile that MC is still with Lacey, I asked you if you played Bella messages, you thought it was more important to push a narrative than following my suggestion

3) the cheating started in college, it is literally the pivotal moment where MC and Bella make a connection and she holds him.
Junior college year, ring a bell?

4) ok so now the theory that everything is an hallucination from Mc.
I agree, in my theory MC is actually in a coma after jumping from the cliff and it is all a dream, in reality Anna is his consciousness and Kelly represents his desires.
Lacey never came back and is now working as an escort for the pimp, they organize wild parties for old bored people.

5) simple, if Jared already fucked Lacey, we wouldn't have a jared arc or at least it would be very different.
It is all in the story.

6) you have the empathy of a rock.
also, read point 4

7) again, your head canon, not represented in game, what do you want people to respond?
In reality Bella has been the orchestrator of the whole thing, she pushed Jared to act like this so she coulld get access to MC, not only that, the evan arrest was fake, those were obviously not real policemen, all placed there by Bella and Martin Vindrelli.
I hope you understand how making your absurd claims not supported by game events sound.

8) you sound like a very controlling person

Doesn't that all sound farfetched, I mean, it seems to me Bella didn't knew the MC untill he contacted her with help from Christine. Okay Bella has power, she comes from a rich family, she been years with Jared. She probably doesn't want end in bad publicity and stayed with Jared just for that. But Jared got more restricted. After they met and cucked Jared, there been a long period they didn't contacted eachother anymore.

If Bella really orchestrated all that with Jared so she can get the Mc and Lacey out the way, she could have done that alot sooner. And that Bella stayed compoced when Mc showed her all that, was probably because she is a lady, already suspected Jared being a cheater, only now she had proof. Remember Jared already been in trouble for sexual harrasment, but due money and power he escaped being prosecuted.

 

[DeviantFun]

You guys have gone at it for a while now and it is an interesting clash of opinions, I wanted to leave it because I feel like I am getting myself into every conversation but I want to add one or two things.

That's the first thing you wrote in this, that I fully agree with. She may be getting other things from whatever she's doing, but that was 100% the main motive. But we disagree on what she was willing to do to achieve it.

True, making her husband proud was only a part of it, she enjoyed Jared validation, he was an important person in the company taking an interest in her work (yeah I know).

She's someone who has dissociated sex from intimacy to the extreme. She could have a train ran on her, then return home to say I love you to hubby and she would mean every word.

True but be aware that Lacey has a way more warped way of thinking.
If you play the jealousy date until the last step (it sucks I know) she can't even come without MC telling her to.
In the damian part she is hyperfocused on MC looking at her (sucks even more i know).
So sex and love might be disassociated, but her trigger remains MC every time she cheats.
She would accept the train IF MC asked her to.

But I get it, she might not enjoy it but be willing to do it for her own goals is your point.
I think it is a bit stretched, else why she would think about suicide when Jared asks? She could have just agreed and kept it hidden.

Doesn't that all sound farfetched, I mean, it seems to me Bella didn't knew the MC untill he contacted her with help from Christine. Okay Bella has power, she comes from a rich family, she been years with Jared. She probably doesn't want end in bad publicity and stayed with Jared just for that. But Jared got more restricted. After they met and cucked Jared, there been a long period they didn't contacted eachother anymore.

If Bella really orchestrated all that with Jared so she can get the Mc and Lacey out the way, she could have done that alot sooner. And that Bella stayed compoced when Mc showed her all that, was probably because she is a lady, already suspected Jared being a cheater, only now she had proof. Remember Jared already been in trouble for sexual harrasment, but due money and power he escaped being prosecuted.

No, please, it was a joke statement to show how much you can push the lines and create your own narrative.
I do NOT think Bella orchestrated the whole thing, we have NO indication in game that this is happening.

She did suspect Jared tho, I can't recall exactly but I think she was suspicious.

As for the why she didn't kick him out, Bella gives a small explanation, that it is hard to let go of him.
After so many years together it is not a stretch, I've seen worse, I have seen MC and Lacey.

+ narratively the author can use this as a power fantasy if he is kept around, like he already did.

 

[winterwolf200]

See what I mean, you have your own headcanon that you want to push, without even having read the dialogues in the game.

1) the disraught person in the scene is Bella, MC is in control and trying to achieve things.
read the room

2) yes, like I can reconcile that MC is still with Lacey, I asked you if you played Bella messages, you thought it was more important to push a narrative than following my suggestion

3) the cheating started in college, it is literally the pivotal moment where MC and Bella make a connection and she holds him.
Junior college year, ring a bell?

4) ok so now the theory that everything is an hallucination from Mc.
I agree, in my theory MC is actually in a coma after jumping from the cliff and it is all a dream, in reality Anna is his consciousness and Kelly represents his desires.
Lacey never came back and is now working as an escort for the pimp, they organize wild parties for old bored people.

5) simple, if Jared already fucked Lacey, we wouldn't have a jared arc or at least it would be very different.
It is all in the story.

6) you have the empathy of a rock.
also, read point 4

7) again, your head canon, not represented in game, what do you want people to respond?
In reality Bella has been the orchestrator of the whole thing, she pushed Jared to act like this so she coulld get access to MC, not only that, the evan arrest was fake, those were obviously not real policemen, all placed there by Bella and Martin Vindrelli.
I hope you understand how making your absurd claims not supported by game events sound.

8) you sound like a very controlling person

Alright. I have to say... These have all been some mildly insulting platitudes.
Though I do agree that if you can accept that Bella is unaware but somewhat suspicious of her fiancee's years of sex parties, and document-closet rape, then, you can take anything that she says, at face value. You're right. This arc has no subtleties.