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All fair points anon I agree.

Regarding her discomfort, she has discomfort with many things, but has still done them. This is what I am getting at (and remember, I do not believe anything happened with Jared). She may not have liked it, but she still put up with it, no one car argue that. That's my line, if the joib really existed, I do truly believe she would have gone further, even if she didn't like it.
Yeah, sorry, there were lots of comments around it, so I was kind of just using that quote as the base for my comment!
I think if Lacey were to do anything like that, she'd have to do it loaded up on ketamine and alcohol to get through it just because she needed ketamine to go through the Damian incident, and that was at least somewhat with permission (though I agree MC didn't consent to what actually happened. None of the rules followed, etc.).
 

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Ignoring someone for over 4 years is not a mistake.
Still think the main reason she left and ignored the mc for 4 years was the fact he would remind her on her parents and their abuse. But still she can considered it a mistake after what she done during those 4 years, some people do regret the things they done and see it as a mistake.
 
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Still think the main reason she left and ignored the mc for 4 years was the fact he would remind her on her parents and their abuse. But still she can considered it a mistake after what she done during those 4 years, some people do regret the things they done and see it as a mistake.
I think it's possible. I made a few suggestions before, but I'll summarize them

1.) Lacey's "other side" is a side that resents MC for his powerlessness during her childhood. It's shown multiple times that she had a profound misunderstanding of MC anyways during those years (like the 243 rules or MC waiting for a time she may need him). Obviously, Lacey's main "side" loves MC and would rather die than be without him, but especially for abused people, they can't always help but feel resentment for reasons that the other person couldn't prevent. I've seen stories of wives resenting their husband due to the husband becoming overwhelmed by grief after the death of a child and other similar stories.

2.) Lacey's "other side" is the side that truly hates herself and believes she's worthless. She didn't contact MC because she had it in her mind that MC would be happier if he moved on from her, even if it would kill her. Once MC threatened suicide, she promised she'd come back. However, she kept hoping that either she could get over these feelings or that MC would move on as evidenced by her telling him to keep talking to Anna and that Anna cares about MC. So, she kept procrastinating, looking for reasons to delay her return to MC after she graduated because she still didn't feel worthy, feeling like he'd be happier if he moved on. Once MC got a job though, there was no longer any excuse for her to wait, so she went to him after 2 days. I think this answers the 1460 days very well, and I think it also explains why she would cry listening to the happy birthday song over and over again. In her head, the things she did in college weren't necessarily to learn to be on her own, but so that MC could learn to live happily without her

3.) What if there was manipulation/blackmail/guilt involved? Could Lacey's father have something to do with it? Could MC misremember prom? There's so much unexplored story related to Lacey's parents. Did her parents know about MC? Could Lacey's father have beat MC while he tried to protect her? All of these could give different reasons for the lack of communication.

What we have currently is Lacey saying she needed to learn to live without MC and that she needed to focus on college first. However, if these were truly the only reasons, then she would have at least texted MC after she got her job while MC was still in college
 

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then she would have at least texted MC after she got her job while MC was still in college
Hi, it's Lacey. Anna helped me get a job. I'm here, as I said I would be. Please don't obsess though, make sure you finish your extra semester and we can be together, as we promised. Not long my love, take care x

What we apparently got was:

Lacey: Should I text the MC and let him know I was good to my word? So he concentrates on his studies and graduates? What do you think Anna?
Anna: Nahh..fuck him...he doesn't need to know....
Lacey: I agree, anyway, there's this party happening tonight at Isaac's...
 
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Chaotic...can we ummm....revisit this later....I umm...need to get my thoughts in order before answering....

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Honestly I had to re read this as originally I was like wtf are they on about then it eventually clicked :ROFLMAO:

Honestly it's a tough one as I want to properly like Lacey as a character as when her and the MC are good and no one from her past is getting involved they are really good

Now this next bit is might split opinions haha - Lacey's past as a character doesn't actually bother me.... What bothers me is that she purposely didn't tell the MC about her prior to the wedding ( actually she didn't even tell him it was Mia) so that's mine main gripe with that

Now do I think the relationship between the MC and Lacey will get better and that she will become a better person/wife - yes to an extent

But if someone was to ask will she turn it all around and be an absolute model wife id be like fuck no haha

Now the bit that I'm curious to see how it develops/plays out is let's say Lacey turns it all around and by all accounts is a close to a model wife as Lacey can be , but her past is her past but the concencering part is that what if she just constantly has old flings showing up to the door , now I don't know if the Dev ever touched on this next bit but could you imagine the anxiety you'd have just going about your normal day and wondering if any male you see has fucked your wife

Even if the MC can make his peace with her past for them to actually get away from it they would likely need to move and go completely off the grid to avoid it showing up on the door step
 
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The issue with Lacey is she has done so many stupid things and lied almost constantly in act 1 and now with act 2 because of how she was in act 1 we all struggle to believe her when she is being "truthful"

Personally when it comes to Lacey being "truthful" across the two acts and potentially over the rest of the game , I'm not convinced just how "truthful" she is being if I'm honest.... I genuinely believe that anytime she is "truthful" we are only getting half-truths from her,Now this could come down to one of two things or maybe even both but I think she either doesn't fully remember the complete series of events on the truths she is telling so things or being missed or she is purposely omitting parts of it as she knows it will hurt the MC

Personally I could go either way on this as I'm not fully convinced around the brain damage being there it almost feels like she's just made herself this get out of jail free card through it
Lacey is the type of person that if she says the sky is blue, you better look out the window to make sure. Making a list with all the times she had lied/omitted truth would be taking hours. In that hot tub scene she lies about something MC just saw with his own eyes. Imagine actually believing her about shit he wasn't present for. At some point MC admits he has lost even the most basic trust, although doesn't act like it....The brain damage thing doesn't fly. In many instances she expertly manipulates people, which would have been impossible if that damage worked the way she said. Poor narrative choice.

I don't think we refuse to believe it. I just don't think it's likely. I wouldn't consider it a plot hole if a future act showed that it happened, but I don't think that every single piece of evidence points to it. Things like the year of Storage Room closet film, which Jared openly claims is where he would do the things, shows that Lacey never fucked Jared there (unless Veronica made the guy hide those bits of film). The hot tub film shows that Jared's hand was on her knee, then moved up to her thigh, then MC appeared at just the right/worst moment. The storage room film shows that Jared touched her, she didn't invite it. Further, it's stated that she was uncomfortable to a point that Mia was surprised when Jared touched her breast in the storage room closet (Yes, you can argue she lied to Mia, but she told Mia about everything else like what happened with Barty, so why would she lie to her here?). Her words match what we get later in the game through security footage. Jared's comments, outside of what he says to MC at the hottub which we 100% know contains lies, also seem to support it. Lacey is shown (not just from her comments to MC) to hate the idea of being shared. It's why she had to get drunk and high on ketamine for the Damian thing

Remember, everyone has a line that they won't cross. Someone might think it's acceptable to post nude pictures online to make money. Someone else might consider it bad. Someone might consider it cheating to do that and someone else might not. Lacey's line is all but confirmed to be more relaxed than MC's. The sunk cost fallacy seems to push the Lacey's line (like, she gets extremely uncomfortable by the touching, if we are to believe her conversation with Mia). Mia and Anna tell her that she's playing with fire (testing the line when she's still not recovered from her relapse and able to make good judgements), not that she's actually crossing it after Lacey tells them about everything.

To me, because a lot of people seem absolute in their belief that Lacey fucked Jared or whatever, it just makes it difficult to argue some of the points. Like, they are determined that if it's possible that Lacey did something to hurt MC, then they want to believe it is true. That would make a fine NTR story I suppose, but this isn't supposed to be an NTR story. It's supposed to be a love story with NTR elements (which yeah, the author can change their mind, but I'll believe that when I see it).
I don't know if you refer to me but I never equated cheating with "fucking". She can definitely engage in cheating behavior without fucking. I'm not in the Bill Clinton school of thought :LOL:

My point is her behavior as a whole indicates cheating. A willingness to indulge Jared throughout those weeks, behind her husband's back and against his request, in order to keep the ball rolling. Exactly to what extent, I have no way to know, because her account (and by proxy Mia's) has zero credibility. The touching stops because MC enters (and it's actually the dude who gets startled and pulls back). And that's why she lies about it, pretending she didn't even know it was happening:rolleyes:

And Lacey definitely does not hate the idea of being shared, that's inaccurate. Actually both times we've seen her, she was very much into it. What she hates is sharing having the bad outcome (for her) of MC seeing her as a heartless slut who's off his pedestal. If he somehow accepts that without that consequence, she is perfectly fine with all the dick. And it's precisely why she has set out to "reprogam" him (her words). She believes getting him into cuckolding (act1) and cuckqueaning (act 2 build up), will finally get him to share her view of sex and will stop the hurt.
 

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I think it's possible. I made a few suggestions before, but I'll summarize them

1.) Lacey's "other side" is a side that resents MC for his powerlessness during her childhood. It's shown multiple times that she had a profound misunderstanding of MC anyways during those years (like the 243 rules or MC waiting for a time she may need him). Obviously, Lacey's main "side" loves MC and would rather die than be without him, but especially for abused people, they can't always help but feel resentment for reasons that the other person couldn't prevent. I've seen stories of wives resenting their husband due to the husband becoming overwhelmed by grief after the death of a child and other similar stories.

2.) Lacey's "other side" is the side that truly hates herself and believes she's worthless. She didn't contact MC because she had it in her mind that MC would be happier if he moved on from her, even if it would kill her. Once MC threatened suicide, she promised she'd come back. However, she kept hoping that either she could get over these feelings or that MC would move on as evidenced by her telling him to keep talking to Anna and that Anna cares about MC. So, she kept procrastinating, looking for reasons to delay her return to MC after she graduated because she still didn't feel worthy, feeling like he'd be happier if he moved on. Once MC got a job though, there was no longer any excuse for her to wait, so she went to him after 2 days. I think this answers the 1460 days very well, and I think it also explains why she would cry listening to the happy birthday song over and over again. In her head, the things she did in college weren't necessarily to learn to be on her own, but so that MC could learn to live happily without her

3.) What if there was manipulation/blackmail/guilt involved? Could Lacey's father have something to do with it? Could MC misremember prom? There's so much unexplored story related to Lacey's parents. Did her parents know about MC? Could Lacey's father have beat MC while he tried to protect her? All of these could give different reasons for the lack of communication.

What we have currently is Lacey saying she needed to learn to live without MC and that she needed to focus on college first. However, if these were truly the only reasons, then she would have at least texted MC after she got her job while MC was still in college
Hi, it's Lacey. Anna helped me get a job. I'm here, as I said I would be. Please don't obsess though, make sure you finish your extra semester and we can be together, as we promised. Not long my love, take care x

What we apparently got was:

Lacey: Should I text the MC and let him know I was good to my word? So he concentrates on his studies and graduates? What do you think Anna?
Anna: Nahh..fuck him...he doesn't need to know....
Lacey: I agree, anyway, there's this party happening tonight...
So, at the cost of being ridiculed, I will go on and tell you what what I think it is, because those 1460 days + Maviarab adjustment are a burning a hole in my mind.

At the beginning and probably for the first few months we have a classing stubbon Lacey.
She wants to do it alone and in the same fashion when she ignored MC messages about not fuccking damian, she goes ahead, because THAT is what she needs to overcome her trauma and then be able to give some ass to MC.

After a few months she is already a depressed alcoholic, she misses MC terribly and realizes she has a very hard time making it on her own, shame starts to set in.

Lacey is suicidal and depressed, drinks through the whole day, starts using ketamine, she is now an addict, there is no way she can face MC in this state, she fucked up, she is a depressed addict who smells of alcohol who did exactly 0 growing up and is as far from her goal as she was at the beginning.

Along comes the pimp, she entices and pushes Lacey, now truly desperate, so that she can achieve her goal.
She starts experimenting, as time goes on she realizes the more she is doing the less MC would want her back, she might get over her fear of sex but she is hurting MC.
In her mind, to justify what she was doing, MC was having fun himself, she later admits that it was her own idea and she knew she was hurting him.
This is roughly the CANON (please don't make me post all the dialogues), from here on is my interpretation:

At this point MC is a memory, not a person in flesh and blood, she is blitzed half of her waking hours.
The pimp pushes and pushes, she has a friend now that validates her, she feels less lonely, doesn't want to lose it.
Sex in the end feels good, the pimp is proud of her, it becomes a game also for Lacey.
MC is in her mind but she is blitzed and she is having fun her instant gratification is more important than anything else.
IIRC the suicide attempts are less or disappear.

At some point Lacey realizes she can't go back to MC in this state, but she would still like to go back, wants to get clean.
She starts sobering up BUt the pimp has something else in mind, Lacey agrees because that is what she does.
Lacey is painfully aware that she was damaged goods, now she is damaged and spoiled goods, loses it, goes into a drug, alcohol and cock self destruction spiral.

Anna calls, she talks with Mc while impaled on Isaac's cock (not true, she jumped off 30 seconds before).
A year of trying deperately of sobering up begins, she is ashamed as fuck, doesn't even have the guts to face MC, fears that she will fail and will go back as an addict.

She managed to get the job in MC hometown, still doesn't know how to face him, takes her a while to even find the courage to go and talk to him in person when he is back.
While she is with him she feels better, decides that her own well being is more important than MC life so , after she realizes how much Mc is still dependant on her, she lies and gets married.

Now, I understand my whole reasoning is based on her current behaviour and dialogues, but I think I am close to the light.
I would also want a better explanation than : "I did what I did because I did it, I don't have an answer", I want to dig deep into Lacey's past, because she wasn't with her pimp 100% of the time, or at least enough time to get fucked by zucchini, having tiramisu eaten from her butthole and lovingly share toothbrushes with her current lover.

A big plot hole I have is that Lacey was never caught with any women, so we have sorority heads going around with giant strapons and NONE decided that Lacey could be a good target? Or even give her a golden shower to clean her up from the spunk?
The issue here is that I think the author has an hard time painting women as bad creatures, so only bad boys will abuse Lacey.

I don't know if you refer to me but I never equated cheating with "fucking". She can definitely engage in cheating behavior without fucking. I'm not in the Bill Clinton school of thought :LOL:
This so much.
Plus willingly getting groped for a fucking job has to be seen as cheating by everyone with half a brain.
The hot tub scene is clear she was willing to be touched, maybe even a bit shocked, but willing.
She has proven how she can refuse strongly, yet she did it only after the job was discovered as fake.
And I am sorry for my speculation here, but why invite Lacey to the parties and then ignore her? She was definitely being groped or at the very least fllirted with if not both.
Even if she tried to hide and she is the queen of hide and seek, 120h is a long time.

Edit with a bit of speculation:
When Lacey forces MC to accept that she wants to flirt or dance with other men, it is not for his own good or a lesson, she is enjoying herself.
I never had a gf that would dance with random men out of respect, you know exactly what that means, friends, sure, but random people in clubs? fuck that noise.
And they would always expected the same from me.
 
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Honestly I had to re read this as originally I was like wtf are they on about then it eventually clicked :ROFLMAO:
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Now this next bit is might split opinions haha - Lacey's past as a character doesn't actually bother me.... What bothers me is that she purposely didn't tell the MC about her prior to the wedding ( actually she didn't even tell him it was Mia) so that's mine main gripe with that

Now do I think the relationship between the MC and Lacey will get better and that she will become a better person/wife - yes to an extent

But if someone was to ask will she turn it all around and be an absolute model wife id be like fuck no haha

Now the bit that I'm curious to see how it develops/plays out is let's say Lacey turns it all around and by all accounts is a close to a model wife as Lacey can be , but her past is her past but the concencering part is that what if she just constantly has old flings showing up to the door , now I don't know if the Dev ever touched on this next bit but could you imagine the anxiety you'd have just going about your normal day and wondering if any male you see has fucked your wife

Even if the MC can make his peace with her past for them to actually get away from it they would likely need to move and go completely off the grid to avoid it showing up on the door step
That's fair enough aye and I think from my own perspective, if I could get past her being a college whore, then as you say in your final sentence, I would demand a move far, far away somewhere no one knows us. In fact, to tell some rl stuff, after some 'interesting' revelations in previous relationships, I've started asking now,

...is there anything, anything at all, in your past, that might come back to bite you in the ass, and in turn me, in the future. If there is, I suggest you tell me now before it gets too far along. I will always appreciate honesty and yes, someone's past is their past. However, if theres even the smallest chance that their past will not stay there, I want to be aware of it so can I can make my own informed decisions on whether to persue it or not.

Lacey is the type of person that if she says the sky is blue, you better look out the window to make sure. Making a list with all the times she had lied/omitted truth would be taking hours. In that hot tub scene she lies about something MC just saw with his own eyes. Imagine actually believing her about shit he wasn't present for. At some point MC admits he has lost even the most basic trust, although doesn't act like it....The brain damage thing doesn't fly. In many instances she expertly manipulates people, which would have been impossible if that damage worked the way she said. Poor narrative choice.
My point is her behavior as a whole indicates cheating
100% on both of these comments.
 
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And Lacey definitely does not hate the idea of being shared, that's inaccurate. Actually both times we've seen her, she was very much into it. What she hates is sharing having the bad outcome (for her) of MC seeing her as a heartless slut who's off his pedestal. If he somehow accepts that without that consequence, she is perfectly fine with all the dick. And it's precisely why she has set out to "reprogam" him (her words). She believes getting him into cuckolding (act1) and cuckqueaning (act 2 build up), will finally get him to share her view of sex and will stop the hurt.
on this part i would love to see the mc stand up to lacey and be like why is it that i have to get onboard with your view of sex , why is it that you don't want to entertain my idea around love and sex - but this does fit with her being incredibly manipulative , but i do wonder if lacey somehow pulls it off to get the mc involved with other women , the one thing she hasn't factored in is at some stage the mc is going to get a wake up call once he starts to experience a somewhat healthily relationship and understand what it means for someone to genuinely love you and treat you that way - as its going to be complete polar opposites of what he gets from lacey
 
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I think it's possible. I made a few suggestions before, but I'll summarize them

1.) Lacey's "other side" is a side that resents MC for his powerlessness during her childhood. It's shown multiple times that she had a profound misunderstanding of MC anyways during those years (like the 243 rules or MC waiting for a time she may need him). Obviously, Lacey's main "side" loves MC and would rather die than be without him, but especially for abused people, they can't always help but feel resentment for reasons that the other person couldn't prevent. I've seen stories of wives resenting their husband due to the husband becoming overwhelmed by grief after the death of a child and other similar stories.

2.) Lacey's "other side" is the side that truly hates herself and believes she's worthless. She didn't contact MC because she had it in her mind that MC would be happier if he moved on from her, even if it would kill her. Once MC threatened suicide, she promised she'd come back. However, she kept hoping that either she could get over these feelings or that MC would move on as evidenced by her telling him to keep talking to Anna and that Anna cares about MC. So, she kept procrastinating, looking for reasons to delay her return to MC after she graduated because she still didn't feel worthy, feeling like he'd be happier if he moved on. Once MC got a job though, there was no longer any excuse for her to wait, so she went to him after 2 days. I think this answers the 1460 days very well, and I think it also explains why she would cry listening to the happy birthday song over and over again. In her head, the things she did in college weren't necessarily to learn to be on her own, but so that MC could learn to live happily without her

3.) What if there was manipulation/blackmail/guilt involved? Could Lacey's father have something to do with it? Could MC misremember prom? There's so much unexplored story related to Lacey's parents. Did her parents know about MC? Could Lacey's father have beat MC while he tried to protect her? All of these could give different reasons for the lack of communication.

What we have currently is Lacey saying she needed to learn to live without MC and that she needed to focus on college first. However, if these were truly the only reasons, then she would have at least texted MC after she got her job while MC was still in college
I really like those ideas, especially number 2
 
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So, at the cost of being ridiculed, I will go on and tell you what what I think it is, because those 1460 days + Maviarab adjustment are a burning a hole in my mind.
I agree with pretty much all of what you posted. That's sort of my current head cannon of what happened. I just really want to see it in a future act to confirm it lol

I don't know if you refer to me but I never equated cheating with "fucking". She can definitely engage in cheating behavior without fucking. I'm not in the Bill Clinton school of thought :LOL:
I agree with this. MC also agrees that Lacey cheated. And Lacey also agrees that she cheated.

Honestly, I'm a football coach, and the season just started, so combined with my day job, practices, and weekend practices/coach's meetings, I just read a bunch of posts over a couple of days, sit on them, then comment on them when I have some time. So I will quote the most recent comment that is about the topic and just start going as I talk about all the different topics I've read.

I know multi quote is usually better, but there's a lot of opinions, and many have a lot of nuances (which is why I love this VN so much, tons of nuance!)
 
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on this part i would love to see the mc stand up to lacey and be like why is it that i have to get onboard with your view of sex , why is that you don't want to entertain my idea around love and sex
I've mentioned this so many times in so many different posts.

She says it to him, she says it to the girls, she says it to V....he has to understand me. Only once, when she has a mini revelation (which gets ignored literally 3 renders later) does she think about trying to actually understand him instead.

Pisses me off so much. I have such a love/hate relationship with the damn girl lol.
 
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So, at the cost of being ridiculed, I will go on and tell you what what I think it is, because those 1460 days + Maviarab adjustment are a burning a hole in my mind.

At the beginning and probably for the first few months we have a classing stubbon Lacey.
She wants to do it alone and in the same fashion when she ignored MC messages about not fuccking damian, she goes ahead, because THAT is what she needs to overcome her trauma and then be able to give some ass to MC.

After a few months she is already a depressed alcoholic, she misses MC terribly and realizes she has a very hard time making it on her own, shame starts to set in.

Lacey is suicidal and depressed, drinks through the whole day, starts using ketamine, she is not an addict, there is no way she can face MC in this state, she fucked up, she is a depressed addict who smells of alcohol who did exactly 0 growing up and is as far from her goal as she was at the beginning.

Along comes the pimp, she entices and pushes Lacey, now truly desperate, so that she can achieve her goal.
She starts experimenting, as time goes on she realizes the more she is doing the less MC would want her back, she might get over her fear of sex but she is hurting MC.
In her mind, to justify what she was doing, MC was having fun himself, she later admits that it was her own idea and she knew she was hurting him.
This is roughly the CANON (please don't make me post all the dialogues), from here on is my interpretation:

At this point MC is a memory, not a person in flesh and blood, she is blitzed half of her waking hours.
The pimp pushes and pushes, she has a friend now that validates her, she feels less lonely, doesn't want to lose it.
Sex in the end feels good, the pimp is proud of her, it becomes a game also for Lacey.
MC is in her mind but she is blitzed and she is having fun her instant gratification is more important than anything else.
IIRC the suicide attempts are less or disappear.

At some point Lacey realizes she can't go back to MC in this state, but she would still like to go back, wants to get clean.
She starts sobering up BUt the pimp has something else in mind, Lacey agrees because that is what she does.
Lacey is painfully aware that she was damaged goods, now she is damaged and spoiled goods, loses it, goes into a drug, alcohol and cock self destruction spiral.

Anna calls, she talks with Mc while impaled on Isaac's cock (not true, she jumped off 30 seconds before).
A year of trying deperately of sobering up begins, she is ashamed as fuck, doesn't even have the guts to face MC, fears that she will fail and will go back as an addict.

She managed to get the job in MC hometown, still doesn't know how to face him, takes her a while to even find the courage to go and talk to him in person when he is back.
While she is with him she feels better, decides that her own well being is more important than MC life so , after she realizes how much Mc is still dependant on her, she lies and gets married.

Now, I understand my whole reasoning is based on her current behaviour and dialogues, but I think I am close to the light.
Brilliant, my dear Deviant, that's absolutely how this story is told. What happens next is horrible for MC, and as Chaotic says, once he's tasted the good wine (I'm French ;) ), that is, a girl who will give him good sex through love, he'll quickly run off with her 2,000 miles away to the other agency. I hope we get that choice, and good riddance, Lacey, the manipulative bitch.
 

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I agree with pretty much all of what you posted. That's sort of my current head cannon of what happened. I just really want to see it in a future act to confirm it lol



I agree with this. MC also agrees that Lacey cheated. And Lacey also agrees that she cheated.

Honestly, I'm a football coach, and the season just started, so combined with my day job, practices, and weekend practices/coach's meetings, I just read a bunch of posts over a couple of days, sit on them, then comment on them when I have some time. So I will quote the most recent comment that is about the topic and just start going as I talk about all the different topics I've read.

I know multi quote is usually better, but there's a lot of opinions, and many have a lot of nuances (which is why I love this VN so much, tons of nuance!)
Hey I am executive VP of a big tech company, do you want a job?
I will take you under my wing and teach you all there is to know, don't worry about experience.
Just remember that you need to be approchable, we don't want any schoolmarm here it gives a bad impression.


Brilliant, my dear Deviant, that's absolutely how this story is told. What happens next is horrible for MC, and as Chaotic says, once he's tasted the good wine (I'm French ;) ), that is, a girl who will give him good sex through love, he'll quickly run off with her 2,000 miles away to the other agency. I hope we get that choice, and good riddance, Lacey, the manipulative bitch.
Then you should taste italian wine, as it is better :p.
And you just pointed out the biggest fear Lacey has, this is why she wants to control the other women and MC, because she needs to avoid them running away.
If MC thinks this is a gift from her, he would also be grateful to her and won't leave, she knows him well.
And If she can control the women and put them in their pen so that they don't take their rightful shot but will be subserivient to the hierarchy.

I honesty don't mind if Lacey improves and stays with MC, I will mind a lot of MC forgives her, what she has done can be accepted but only in terms that you will accept that you can live with the fact that she won't be forgiven.
Because I am sorry to say this to our more soft hearted friends, some things cannot be forgiven, ever, and if you do you will pay the price.
 
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I've mentioned this so many times in so many different posts.

She says it to him, she says it to the girls, she says it to V....he has to understand me. Only once, when she has a mini revelation (which gets ignored literally 3 renders later) does she think about trying to actually understand him instead.

Pisses me off so much. I have such a love/hate relationship with the damn girl lol.
I'm sure a lot of this is just venting, but just in case, remember that we are just in Act 2. Lacey just started therapy. I think that future acts will continue to help Lacey grow.
 
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Hey I am executive VP of a big tech company, do you want a job?
I will take you under my wing and teach you all there is to know, don't worry about experience.
Just remember that you need to be approchable, we don't want any schoolmarm here it gives a bad impression.
*undoes his shirt*...

I'd be interested? Does it involve long hours and late evenings?

I'm sure a lot of this is just venting, but just in case, remember that we are just in Act 2. Lacey just started therapy. I think that future acts will continue to help Lacey grow.
I'll remind you of some of my posts a few weeks ago where I said, calling it now:

Will we actually get any growth, moving forward, working on issues....or is the train wreck gonna keep barrelling along in a deleted scene from Speed? You know what we got. So I'ma ask the question again lol. More of the same...pointless shock drama for the sake of it, or is this story (our protags) actually going to start getting better?

While I do enjoy this (my post count in this thread proves that), I'm already sick of the 3 steps forward, 14 steps back pointless shit (like Barty for example).
 
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acey is the type of person that if she says the sky is blue, you better look out the window to make sure. Making a list with all the times she had lied/omitted truth would be taking hours. In that hot tub scene she lies about something MC just saw with his own eyes. Imagine actually believing her about shit he wasn't present for. At some point MC admits he has lost even the most basic trust, although doesn't act like it....The brain damage thing doesn't fly. In many instances she expertly manipulates people, which would have been impossible if that damage worked the way she said. Poor narrative choice.
Thats a week of work, believe me. And yes, even the most basic trust is lost. I have the theory that the brain damage is in reality her name for her own inability to selfrestrain. But when she visits the clinic for the 1st time she mentions that there is phisical damage so... maybe both things?

And Lacey definitely does not hate the idea of being shared, that's inaccurate. Actually both times we've seen her, she was very much into it. What she hates is sharing having the bad outcome (for her) of MC seeing her as a heartless slut who's off his pedestal. If he somehow accepts that without that consequence, she is perfectly fine with all the dick. And it's precisely why she has set out to "reprogam" him (her words). She believes getting him into cuckolding (act1) and cuckqueaning (act 2 build up), will finally get him to share her view of sex and will stop the hurt.
Mostly right. What i think, its not the seeing her as a slut, since she is roleplaying exactly that in some routes, its the pain it causes to the MC, so far she has chosen her pleasure over MC getting hurt, and she is hellbent in making that pain dissapair. She actually has a fantasy where MC was in the crowd whatching her getting fucked and steps in to claim her.

Cuckqueen plan, aside for your point, its also as a conpensation for all the pain and damage suffered.
 
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the one thing she hasn't factored in is at some stage the mc is going to get a wake up call once he starts to experience a somewhat healthily relationship and understand what it means for someone to genuinely love you and treat you that way - as its going to be complete polar opposites of what he gets from lacey
After MC has sex with Kelly and tells her, Lacey has a panic breakdown quite similar to MC ones, since she realices that Kelly is not in the safe category and could actually try to go for the steal. The clash with her on Act 2 confirms that feeling. Since the other girls are friendly to her she feels secure about that so she allows the sex, with Anna she even requests for it, as example. She is treating others girls except Kelly as rewards form him, and on reverse, allowing sex with him, as treats for her girl frieds.
 

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I have the theory that the brain damage is in reality her name for her own inability to selfrestrain. But when she visits the clinic for the 1st time she mentions that there is phisical damage so... maybe both things?
Just seeing this has sparked a thought , as her sessions are only with her , Lacey would get to completely control the narrative of what the MC knows from it

Also isn't Lacey meant to be on some form of medication/ treatment plan for her condition but yet we never see her take any medication and I'm also pretty sure there haven't been any scenes asking/ reminding her if she has taken or to take her medication
 

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Thats a week of work, believe me. And yes, even the most basic trust is lost. I have the theory that the brain damage is in reality her name for her own inability to selfrestrain. But when she visits the clinic for the 1st time she mentions that there is phisical damage so... maybe both things?
This is the point I am making since the beginning, the brain damage is overinflated.
But the ability for self restraint is consistent as a trait of cognitive damage + addicted people have the same issue.
When you train your brain to have instant gratification, that is what you will seek.
Why face pain or sadness when you can simply get blitzed.

Mostly right. What i think, its not the seeing her as a slut, since she is roleplaying exactly that in some routes, its the pain it causes to the MC, so far she has chosen her pleasure over MC getting hurt, and she is hellbent in making that pain dissapair. She actually has a fantasy where MC was in the crowd whatching her getting fucked and steps in to claim her.

Cuckqueen plan, aside for your point, its also as a conpensation for all the pain and damage suffered.
eh the slut route at the beginning was a weird plan but an understandable one, the author is very much enamored with the concept of reclaiming.
MC would be reclaiming her past for himself.
Then we got act 2 and everything in that path went downhill.
In act 1 the fear is palpable, what happens if this doesn't work, what happens if MC hates her after.
The danger of such thing is erased in act 2, MC accepts whatever Lacey throws at him, even if it is a WAY more sensitive topic, and they roleplay.
MC should have been able to stop everything and tell her to get bent for that evening OR face the discussion about prom, like they did about gangbangs in act 1.
 
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