VN Ren'Py Love & Jealousy [Act 2] [Professor Amethyst Games]

[Maviarab]

For all this to work we need an enourmous amount of suspension of disbelief

Don't we already? lol. I think we have gone way past that.

And I understand that he is a victim, that garners pity and simpathy, but surely not affection and love.

Porn logic at its absolute best really.

 

[telly1712]

For me still one point (out or numerous others) is open - how Lacey financed her drug consumption esp. in phase 3… either Mia sold pics or videos or get paid for arranging gangbangs or private sessions, or Lacey sold herself or her services ..- any further ideas or hints? At least we do not read that Lacey worked for money…

 

[Maviarab]

For me still one point (out or numerous others) is open - how Lacey financed her drug consumption esp. in phase 3… either Mia sold pics or videos or get paid for arranging gangbangs or private sessions, or Lacey sold herself or her services ..- any further ideas or hints? At least we do not read that Lacey worked for money…

It is the most logical presumption I'll agree. The money had to come from somewhere (the vids that Jared got hold of, had to come from somewhere, what Barty et-al may have seen, had to come from somewhere. Maybe Mia set up their own site...who knows, neither of them had any kind of job though at college, part-tuime or otherwise that we are told. So it is a very, valid question...one which seems the dev is just going to completely gloss over as unimportant.

For a while I thought this is what the other side was, what she desperately wanted to hide (I don't think even our inept MC could accept this), however the fact she says this other side existed before she went to college kind of rules this out. I think it would be a great addition to be honest, however the dev seems to want pointless shock scenes that will never go anywhere (Barty, porn empire, Jared etc) rather than expand on things that could have happened while the Vampire was in college and would truly hurt the MC more and rock his belief and trust.

 

[DeviantFun]

For me still one point (out or numerous others) is open - how Lacey financed her drug consumption esp. in phase 3… either Mia sold pics or videos or get paid for arranging gangbangs or private sessions, or Lacey sold herself or her services ..- any further ideas or hints? At least we do not read that Lacey worked for money…

Ah this is a point open for everybody, I think I was one of the first that pointed it out.

So there are a few factors here:

• we don't know if she used everyday or only at parties (K effects on depression can last for a few days)
• we don't know how much she used, it is always a vague number (weird since all the people I talk with that used or use go by definite quantities)
• Alcohol cost has to be counted in

Her pimp did not sell her per se, she gave her out for free, she was gaining other things from her to overcome her hangup.
Phase 3 of college seems to be the wild one, where Lacey used a lot, it is kinda obvious, if we factor reality in, that she was being "paid" for her services with drugs, but it is never stated nor hinted in the material.

It is just an open point that the author willingly leaves vague, and it is a bit of a shame since it would make the situation heavier.

It is the most logical presumption I'll agree. The money had to come from somewhere (the vids that Jared got hold of, had to come from somewhere, what Barty et-al may have seen, had to come from somewhere. Maybe Mia set up their own site...who knows, neither of them had any kind of job though at college, part-tuime or otherwise that we are told. So it is a very, valid question...one which seems the dev is just going to completely gloss over as unimportant.

For a while I thought this is what the other side was, what she desperately wanted to hide (I don't think even our inept MC could accept this), however the fact she says this other side existed before she went to college kind of rules this out. I think it would be a great addition to be honest, however the dev seems to want pointless shock scenes that will never go anywhere (Barty, porn empire, Jared etc) rather than expand on things that could have happened while the Vampire was in college and would truly hurt the MC more and rock his belief and trust.

Yes it is the most logical assumption.

Obviously we see smartphones around (even if the pimp was running around with a camera? wtf did she need high quality pictures?) and college was just a couple of years before, so there must be a TON of Lacey stuff online or in private fapfolders.

In fact, Barty found that stuff ina relatively easy way, with just her name and surname maybe the college she attended to.
This was such a missed chance by the author, he didn't need the spy story, just a couple of assholes ex college colleagues dropping her content all over the net.
Maybe pencil dick and daddy duckbill.

 

[Saphfire]

He does have hang ups, but mostly because that he does have some integrity (sometimes, how he acts with bethany in both acts and jeanette in act 2 is disgusting) and he feels like Lacey would be angry and leave him.

The behaviour in act 2 with Bethany and Jeanette is so far out of his character, i can only try to understand that it is a little stepping stone
in realizing that he desperately need therapy.

 

[DeviantFun]

The behaviour in act 2 with Bethany and Jeanette is so far out of his character, i can only try to understand that it is a little stepping stone
in realizing that he desperately need therapy.

At least with the Jeanette one he realizes he fucked up.

Obviously Jeanette is written like Jeanette so she gets wet and is somewhat fine with it.

With bethany he is more than happy with himself, but he was creepy with her even at lunch in act 1 when he calls her princess.

I dont think this is a therapy matter, we never see him acting like this with anyone.
It is just porn plot.

 

[Fitharia]

It is the most logical presumption I'll agree. The money had to come from somewhere (the vids that Jared got hold of, had to come from somewhere, what Barty et-al may have seen, had to come from somewhere. Maybe Mia set up their own site...who knows, neither of them had any kind of job though at college, part-tuime or otherwise that we are told. So it is a very, valid question...one which seems the dev is just going to completely gloss over as unimportant.

For a while I thought this is what the other side was, what she desperately wanted to hide (I don't think even our inept MC could accept this), however the fact she says this other side existed before she went to college kind of rules this out. I think it would be a great addition to be honest, however the dev seems to want pointless shock scenes that will never go anywhere (Barty, porn empire, Jared etc) rather than expand on things that could have happened while the Vampire was in college and would truly hurt the MC more and rock his belief and trust.

It funny how you try to find logic in a porn game, it just like movies and soaps, often things doesn't add to reality. Like in soaps how people can live in a large house, don't work, have fun all day and still spend tuns of money, yet they not from a wealthy family. Or they work during day in some low end job that doesn't pay much, yet the live like kings.

In reality though often drug addicts earn their money for sexual favors if they female, as male they often forced to do something illegal like transport something for them, if they can afford it.

For all we know, she could have even threatened her dad to expose him, unless he let her abuse his bank account to pay for those K.

 

[DeviantFun]

It funny how you try to find logic in a porn game, it just like movies and soaps, often things doesn't add to reality. Like in soaps how people can live in a large house, don't work, have fun all day and still spend tuns of money, yet they not from a wealthy family. Or they work during day in some low end job that doesn't pay much, yet the live like kings.

In reality though often drug addicts earn their money for sexual favors if they female, as male they often forced to do something illegal like transport something for them, if they can afford it.

For all we know, she could have even threatened her dad to expose him, unless he let her abuse his bank account to pay for those K.

There is porn game and porn game.
I do not subscribe that stories that contain porn cannot be somewhat realistic and well written.

In this case it is such a glaring and easy point to explain, it could be stated that she startef by using her student loans and now she is in higher debt thab she would be, and then moved on to secual favours.

I think the sexual favour angle is not used because it would diminish the "I wanted to do it" motivation by Lacey.
And even if both could be true, the author wants to put our focus towards her persobal motivation.

 

[Lestrouduc]

And I understand that he is a victim, that garners pity and simpathy, but surely not affection and love.

Wow, wow, wow, Deviant, Deviant, you're going all out again with this poor guy. He's stuck in a false marriage; if he divorces his wife, she threatens to commit suicide. He's a cuckold because that's what it is now, he's really a cuckold with Damian, and he doesn't deserve love and affection? Thirteen years of his life wasted on a girl who now is absolutely not the girl he knew before college...but damn, at that moment, if he no longer deserves to live normally, he buys a 9mm and shoots everyone: Lacey, Mia,Damian, Isaac, Barty, and even himself...

 

[telly1712]

I think the sexual favour angle is not used because it would diminish the "I wanted to do it" motivation by Lacey.
And even if both could be true, the author wants to put our focus towards her persobal motivation.


that makes absolutely sense - right...

 

[AL.d]

there you go, some food for thought.

On the topic of MC having multiple relationships / open relationship (or love experiment if you like to twist words) and doing that not fitting his character.

If I have to be honest I think it fits MC perfectly, as he gains more self worth some traits of his personality come out quite strongly.

He is an incorrigible flirt and he does it out of desire and attention more than Lacey.
I would need to go back and pin point the exact moment I noticed it, but the scene with the pimp at the club in act 1 is a good example.

He feels the weight of all those lost years, all those chances and desires missed or put on hold.
This is why in act 2 my biggest regret choice is always Anna, it is closely tied to his lost time and that he won't be able to take back or redo (also because it is the only thing that makes sense).

He does have hang ups, but mostly because that he does have some integrity (sometimes, how he acts with bethany in both acts and jeanette in act 2 is disgusting) and he feels like Lacey would be angry and leave him.

On the other hand Lacey couldn't give a fuck if he fucks around, her only fear is the emotional aspect of "cheating" (did you know that on average people feel more pain when their partner falls in love with someone else than if they have sex? just saw some article today) and losing MC affection and "jealousy" towards her.
She does feel that sex could be a way to lose him but that is because it is the only thing she can give him, good head and an ass able to accept enormous objects.
But that is it, she has nothing else in her eyes, I mean, she tries but you know how it goes.
She is unable to make him feel safe and loved, which is basic basic struff in a relationship.

This is why the she wants to fuck other men line never sticks with me, it goes against her primal fear of loss.
When she does it is always tied to an uterior motive (then since she is a slut with daddy issues she gets into it).

I would like to add that his "lost time" is interpreted always sexually, however, Lacey is very clear when she talks about giving him "experiences", that are still mostly related to dating, to make him see how worthy of love he is.

Although, I would have loved an angle where they would go to concerts, raves, whatever you can think of so he can get back also those moments.
Obviously half if not all of them will be already tainted by Lacey's past, as she probably got fucked on stage at a concert for example, still it would really reinforce the idea of reclaiming those 4 years.

For all this to work we need an enourmous amount of suspension of disbelief, since even if we are drawn to believe that he is the most handsome and good looking man on the planet, his character is obviously repulsive.
Even one of his positive traits, which is true compassion, is actually rather off putting for potential partners, I would personally feel unsafe if my partner was unable to draw lines to avoid people that hurt her or us in the past.
He is whiny, broken, unable to be honest with his emotions and, more often than not, incompetent and passive.

And I understand that he is a victim, that garners pity and simpathy, but surely not affection and love.

You already know that I disagree with everything you said here Fighting fire with gasoline....

If you want that broken as fuck couple to ever heal, just let them pair bond in the flower garden godammit.

I mean the fact Lacey supports and pushes this plan forward, should be telling you everything you need to know. Just look at the track record of her brilliant plans for a minute. Girl just wants to see the world burn.

I know for me, I'll probably be mostly quiet until Act 3 unless an interesting conversation pops up. I did just start playing the professor's first game to see if I can get a better understanding of their writing style.

I'm only into like the 2nd update so far (maybe the third?). While there are some similarities, I'm not sure how much I'll get out of it (though I'll power through to the end!).

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As stated before, I'll play it till I finish it, but I'm not optimistic since they feel like such different games to play so far.

They are different. To me DS's characters felt more shallow. And I think it had a very noticeable drop in quality around the mid point and on.

 

[CrysusPariah2]

It is the most logical presumption I'll agree. The money had to come from somewhere (the vids that Jared got hold of, had to come from somewhere, what Barty et-al may have seen, had to come from somewhere. Maybe Mia set up their own site...who knows, neither of them had any kind of job though at college, part-tuime or otherwise that we are told. So it is a very, valid question...one which seems the dev is just going to completely gloss over as unimportant.

For a while I thought this is what the other side was, what she desperately wanted to hide (I don't think even our inept MC could accept this), however the fact she says this other side existed before she went to college kind of rules this out. I think it would be a great addition to be honest, however the dev seems to want pointless shock scenes that will never go anywhere (Barty, porn empire, Jared etc) rather than expand on things that could have happened while the Vampire was in college and would truly hurt the MC more and rock his belief and trust.

I think your thoughts about this being a part of her other side intriguing

For her to not just be doing it to be able to be intimate with MC, and not just doing it to punish herself and play Mia’s game.
For it to turn out, that she wasn’t just a traumatised and damaged slut, but also an actual whore/pornstar

 

[Lestrouduc]

I think your thoughts about this being a part of her other side intriguing

For her to not just be doing it to be able to be intimate with MC, and not just doing it to punish herself and play Mia’s game.
For it to turn out, that she wasn’t just a traumatised and damaged slut, but also an actual whore/pornstar

Yes, that's a very logical explanation!
I didn't really have any idea about the other side but this really fits

 

[DeviantFun]

Wow, wow, wow, Deviant, Deviant, you're going all out again with this poor guy. He's stuck in a false marriage; if he divorces his wife, she threatens to commit suicide. He's a cuckold because that's what it is now, he's really a cuckold with Damian, and he doesn't deserve love and affection? Thirteen years of his life wasted on a girl who now is absolutely not the girl he knew before college...but damn, at that moment, if he no longer deserves to live normally, he buys a 9mm and shoots everyone: Lacey, Mia,Damian, Isaac, Barty, and even himself...

I think I expressed my concept poorly.

He deserves all of what you say, but the people that meet him should have a hard time considering him as a partner.

Maybe Anna would be an ok choice, even if she separated from him when she saw his damage in college.

But all the rest? He is kind once or twice and they fall to his knees?

People nornally would feel empathy for him, not instant love.
The reaction from Kelly the day after the "crash" is only natural.

 

[rhune]

I think I expressed my concept poorly.

He deserves all of what you say, but the people that meet him should have a hard time considering him as a partner.

Maybe Anna would be an ok choice, even if she separated from him when she saw his damage in college.

But all the rest? He is kind once or twice and they fall to his knees?

People nornally would feel empathy for him, not instant love.
The reaction from Kelly the day after the "crash" is only natural.

Let’s not forget On Distant Shores — same dev, and in that VN literally every girl fell for the MC right away.
Except that time, there was a sci-fi explanation that actually justified it.


So maybe Love & Jealousy is secretly another mindfuck: a full-on simulation, and the MC’s just a test subject in some twisted VR romance experiment. Would explain a lot lol

 

[DeviantFun]

I think your thoughts about this being a part of her other side intriguing

For her to not just be doing it to be able to be intimate with MC, and not just doing it to punish herself and play Mia’s game.
For it to turn out, that she wasn’t just a traumatised and damaged slut, but also an actual whore/pornstar

Yes, that's a very logical explanation!
I didn't really have any idea about the other side but this really fits

Her other side is tied to MC being there or not , by deduction she discovered it in early college way before junior year.

I am not at the pc so I can't post rhe convo.
But it goes something like "I have this other side but MC kept it at bay".

Maybe she is talkning about modern times only but I doubt it.

 

[CrysusPariah2]

Her other side is tied to MC being there or not , by deduction she discovered it in early college way before junior year.

I am not at the pc so I can't post rhe convo.
But it goes something like "I have this other side but MC kept it at bay".

Maybe she is talkning about modern times only but I doubt it.

True, i forgot about it being present before college

i still like my idea for drama later on though, just nothing to do with the other side then

 

[telly1712]

Lacey is a Narcissist, a 'real' whore (according to her own repeated words) , a queen bee and an absolute control freak ( to stay in control related to her friends and other satellites, ...maybe also a sex and drug addict...

Hard to imagine what can come on top related to her 'other side' ....

the Hard times for the MC will be ongoing- lets see what chapter 3 reveals...

 

[Lestrouduc]

I think I expressed my concept poorly.

He deserves all of what you say, but the people that meet him should have a hard time considering him as a partner.

Maybe Anna would be an ok choice, even if she separated from him when she saw his damage in college.

But all the rest? He is kind once or twice and they fall to his knees?

People nornally would feel empathy for him, not instant love.
The reaction from Kelly the day after the "crash" is only natural.

So yeah, turned out that way, I agree with you, but it's the writer's fault for constantly putting MC in "weak and stupid" situations typical of NTR tropes and otherwise the story couldn't last very long.

 

[Fitharia]

There is porn game and porn game.
I do not subscribe that stories that contain porn cannot be somewhat realistic and well written.

In this case it is such a glaring and easy point to explain, it could be stated that she startef by using her student loans and now she is in higher debt thab she would be, and then moved on to secual favours.

I think the sexual favour angle is not used because it would diminish the "I wanted to do it" motivation by Lacey.
And even if both could be true, the author wants to put our focus towards her persobal motivation.

Personaly I enjoy the story, the pain and hurt you can feel in it, and I admit i was a bit hang up and logic in past to, but started to learn it not always possible in vn and games like this. I'm more thrilled now how the future will turn out for Lacey, Mc and the other girls, will they be more hurt, will they fall back, or will they get stronger. But yes it might be interesting to know how she financed all those booze and drugs, but not high priority for me to know, it depend on the developer where he takes it.