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This is a great way to put things, I feel exactly the same way.

But I might sound cynical when I say that you have too much hope about the consequences, I hope as you do that we get some reckoning, some soul searching from everyone and in the end some reaction from MC or the world to their actions, it has never happened yet tho.

Mia scarred MC forever and is the best friend, she brought drugs to a drug addict while trying to break off her best friend marriage and she get invited to vegas, she cheered for sexual assault and no one ever makes a peep.

Anna betrays MC badly and all she gets is a "I am disappointed".

Hell, even Lacey 2 which at least understands how shitty she has been behaving and keeps herself accountable (best act 2 character, fight me) doesn't see any consequences aside from sleeping in the guest room once.

But lets hope together! I can't wait to see act 3.
Yeah, I know what you mean. What allowed me to stomach the NTR in this game was that the MC at times was often brutal in his verbal comments to the FMC, something that you rarely see in an NTR game. I had hoped that being that the MC wasn't portrayed as a "cuck doll" for the FMC/Antagonists amusement, there may be some chance for a resolution of some note.

I am concerned by the constant beating down the MC though ignoring the massive betrayals by all the characters as well as his constant beating himself up carrying the blame for the offenses of others, but at least... that is a "reasoned" issue in the story.

I am preparing myself for the eventual "traditional" NTR reasoning where the MC is the one who is truly at fault, it tends to suggest this with the constant MC blaming himself and the way the other characters act at times. Not to mention, the "it kind of turns me on" comments in some of the paths completely sits wrong with the entire story and character setup.

Anyway, I am not holding my breath, but it would be a pleasant surprise. There are a couple games out there that I was surprised to see an ending path where the MC actually came out not being a stupid weak little oblivious cuck and got a bit of revenge in the process.
 

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Anyway, I am not holding my breath, but it would be a pleasant surprise. There are a couple games out there that I was surprised to see an ending path where the MC actually came out not being a stupid weak little oblivious cuck and got a bit of revenge in the process.
Ah, I'm interested, can you give me some titles with this final possibility?
 

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The only real consolation guys to keep them seperate is the timeline. AHfWG is approximately, according to my timelines, 10 weeks ahead (approximately) of L&J.

L&J timeline, it has been 3 weeks since Jared's attempted blackmail...AHfWG starts 3 months after Jared getting the video's and that MC has been in Primrose for a week now. So for him, just over three months (13 weeks if we keep it simple) since that event.

And yes, you know I will be keeping track of this shit lmao.
 
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Ah, I'm interested, can you give me some titles with this final possibility?
There aren't many, but one that comes to mind is:

"Girlfriend Tapes" by Bootyprofessor

This has a couple of paths where you can get to some resolution or revenge that works for the MC and doesn't simply end with the FMC as being the winner.

I think there are some others, but I can't remember at the moment. If they come to mind I will edit this.

Most I have read about are Japanese games as they are more true to their concept and understanding of the emotional roller coaster ride of NTR rather than simply being a base jump into demoralization that western games are. That is, most western NTR is cuckoldry fetish/humiliation.
 
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The only real consolation guys to keep them seperate is the timeline. AHfWG is approximately, according to my timelines, 10 weeks ahead (approximately) of L&J.

L&J timeline, it has been 3 weeks since Jared's attempted blackmail...AHfWG starts 3 months after Jared getting the video's and that MC has been in Primrose for a week now. So for him, just over three months (13 weeks if we keep it simple) since that event.

And yes, you know I will be keeping track of this shit lmao.
So so far the new MC could be the monster? as the texts would happen before he moves to Primrose, right?
 
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But I might sound cynical when I say that you have too much hope about the consequences, I hope as you do that we get some reckoning, some soul searching from everyone and in the end some reaction from MC or the world to their actions, it has never happened yet tho.

I wanted to comment on this specifically...

Wouldn't that be something? I mean in general, for an NTR Genre?

Imagine a story that takes the extreme attention to dialogue/characters and progresses a relationship where the reader experiences all the basic trials and tribulations of a relationship (outside of cheating) to which builds, strengthens and hardens the connection between those characters first, pulls in the other characters as well (ie friends/family) to build this.

That is, the first part of the game long before any NTR is begun, the world, relationships, foundations, and characters are all set already with some story that has its own roller coaster of emotions that build the strength of that bond between the characters. A story plot of its own designed to imprint those characters personalities and connections into the players mind...

Then... the NTR game story begins, slowly building from the dismissal, to the question, to the worry, to the self attacking, to the accepting of it being a possible reality, to the search for its evidence, the back and forth through false positives, misdirection, etc.. to the eventual reveal, the horror of its realization, the soul breaking reality of its occurrence, etc...

This is where most NTR games stop or there is a "dance on the grave" of the MC progression, but the result is... MC sucks, they deserved it cuz <insert all moronic logic possible to justify it> because FMC is innocent, or at the most... just mildly wrong... but really... MC is at fault... blah blah.

What after though?

There is SOOOO much more after. I mean, think about NTR games, what is the point? It is the suffering and build up to the betrayal right? Suffering of the MC... Emotion to the extreme, a range of feelings, etc...

But what about AFTER the betrayal? It is like every Western NTR game is written by the antagonist with the concept of (I corrupted that guys wife into a horror, stole her away and rode off into the sunset as a hero!).

If it was all about the Antagonist, then why are we playing from the MC's view? Maybe because Western concepts of NTR aren't about NTR, but about self imposed cucking and humiliation? Hey, not to down the nihilism loving game players, but NTR isn't an end, it is an occurrence, where it goes from there depends...

Note I am not talking about "happy endings" where the MC gets the girl. To be honest, in a lot of these games I would question the sanity and moral foundation of a guy who would want a girl after some of the story lines these games have provided. Best I could suggest for the FMC at that point was sex worker or a good route of being a Nun in some small town.

I am perfectly fine with a sad ending (losing the FMC) and it should be sad, even if the MC finds a new girl. If the story build up before the NTR is good, it will be SAD to lose her, but... it will be SAD only in the betrayal to which the "resolution" would soften and comfort the blow (ie new girl, revenge, etc...).


A full form circle of story like this? with good writing, all the careful planning and build up plots... Yeah, sign me up...
 
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But this is what I am missing, what do you think is being "conspiratized" here?
What is that you think people are taking as hidden intention
This was more in response to the notion that the quote in the pateron post about the devs new game calling the referance to L&J a "painfully obvious easter egg" may possibly have some kind of alternate meaning/hidden intention itself.

Its fun to debate and speculate about the possible connections between the two stories, but its just that, speculation. There is little to no actual evidence that it is anything beyond an easter egg/refrence to L&J, and the dev calls it an "easter egg" himself on pateron.

Now this is not to say there won't be more "easter eggs" or connections in the future. That all depends in if the dev already has both stories outlined or storyboarded completely, or if he is kinda freestyle writing it and going with the flow. If its the latter then the two stories could bleed into a shared universe more and start to connect with each other in more ways, but there is simply no evidence at this point that is the case.

If we really wanted to speculate "with absolutely no evidence by the way" then there is nothing stopping the dev from connecting any of his other games together if the one referance to L&J in his new game is taken as absolute evidence that there is a shared universe. What happens of one of the girls from ODS show up at the bar in L&J? What happens if Anna shows up in his new game and is actually a relative of daiyu and yuze? At that point all possibilities are open.
 

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The way the monster speaks compared to MC doesn't really fit, think about the what do you want in life question for example.
I completely agree. The monster always refers to lacey a "stupid" or "whore" and makes comments like
"I don't care what happens to you whore of a wife"
"Everything that is happening is because of her"
"Stupid girls like that draw unwanted attention"

That doesn't line up with the way the MC is portrayed in his new game at all.
 

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have you played L&J?
Lol....touche hahaha
Many times actually, hence my weird obsession with the monster and possible connections (i haven't finished my post about the last three conversations due to real life medical issues, but will at some point)

I also have thoughts about each each character i haven't shared, and may at some point. But most of that has been covered excellently by all the regular posters here, and if i did i may take a different approach looking at it from a macro perspective instead of all the dirty details and speculative motivations for a slighly different take.
 

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I won't mind any connections or whatever but if he suddenly throws weird random shit into this game might kill it for me I.E Lacey a succubus or Mia SATAN HERSELF! lol
 

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I won't mind any connections or whatever but if he suddenly throws weird random shit into this game might kill it for me I.E Lacey a succubus or Mia SATAN HERSELF! lol
Mia being some kind of banished demon child would certainly make sense:ROFLMAO:

I do kinda hope the dev keeps both games mostly separate as this one is more grounded in reality. But if he does merge some supernatural (which there is little to no evidence he will at the moment) i would be fine with it as long as the overall vibe of this story (trauma, mental illness, betrayal, love and healing) dosn't change and is written in an interesting or unique way.

For all the posts about the individual characters that have been made there are absolutely two things i firmly agree with
-mia is horrible. She may genuinely want to help (highly debatable) but everything she does to the MC and Lacey is just simply horrible and wreched.
-the MC's flirting has become increasingly cringe worthy. (Maybe to show him being increasingly unhinged? Not sure but it is overly cringy)
 

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Its fun to debate and speculate about the possible connections between the two stories, but its just that, speculation. There is little to no actual evidence that it is anything beyond an easter egg/refrence to L&J, and the dev calls it an "easter egg" himself on pateron.
I will concede that it can be called an "easter egg" if a person never has played or will play L&J so it is just a true connection to this other event that a person might not know about. However, if you have played both games, it is no longer an "easter egg" since the MC in AHFWG provides a major plot device for probably the biggest event in Act 1. That is an active connection between both stories, especially when the MC in AHFWG brings it up twice and the second time he is talking (to Marie I think, probably wrong on that) about his former life as a Private Detective and how he knew he shouldn't have done it but needed the money so he provided the videos that he found out was used to blackmail a girl (and he probably saw a ton of the other Lacey videos out there before he found the "right" ones as there is no way that was what his first search turned up).
 
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I also have thoughts about each each character i haven't shared, and may at some point. But most of that has been covered excellently by all the regular posters here, and if i did i may take a different approach looking at it from a macro perspective instead of all the dirty details and speculative motivations for a slighly different take.
Why don't you do so, even in DMs, I was even preparing some "character sheets" but I am stuck due to some RL stuff, I would be glad to compare notes.
 

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It's true that I don't talk about it here, but there isn't a single day that I don't remember this game

This is proof of how great this game is. A great game is one that impacts you, and every time you recall it, you enjoy it. Meaning, it imprints itself on your memory, not just in the moment of playing

I hope it's a long game and doesn't end soon, and that the updates are faster and bigger
 
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"A story of true love, painful jealousy and the difficult journey learning how to heal and forgive."

Why does it have to be about forgiveness? Why cant you beat her half to death for stabbing you in the back?

Im not big on forgiveness, im big on revenge.

You want a ntr story truly unlike any other ntr ever made? Then have a mc who doesnt just sit there and take it like a little bitch.

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Yeah, not like other NTR games. The only thing missing was the football team banging her in the locker room... or maybe I just missed that part. This MC is a serious dumb ass if he doesn't ditch her broke ass. :ROFLMAO:
 
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Yeah, not like other NTR games. The only thing missing was the football team banging her in the locker room... or maybe I just missed that part. This MC is a serious dumb ass if he doesn't ditch her broke ass. :ROFLMAO:
That particular event hasn't cropped up yet lol
 
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Yeah, not like other NTR games. The only thing missing was the football team banging her in the locker room... or maybe I just missed that part. This MC is a serious dumb ass if he doesn't ditch her broke ass. :ROFLMAO:
Well, there is at least some attempt at giving a reasoned explanation for his staying with her which most NTR games never attend to. The MC is a dumb ass, but... he is pretty screwed up in the head as well as it concerns Lacey and she leverages that as a means to keep him around.

Aside from that, he does show somewhat of a reasoned response to things (his rage episodes, insulting, demeaning and mocking her, etc...). Some of it is stupid, but due to his "condition" there is only so far he seems to allow himself to go before he is reeled in by lacey and put back under thumb.

The other thing is that most of the "offenses" have some fairly reasoned means to allow Lacey to excuse herself from it to the point where combined with the MCs own mental issues, allows him to continue on with her.

Most NTR stories have some of the most poorly thought out plots, FMC and MC reasonings, which is I think mostly because they aren't stories as much as they are fetish setups purely for the "porn" of it. L&J as insane as it is, is more "story" than it is porn, which makes it interesting because it actually attempts to deal with the issue of NTR to "some" extent.

I don't think the revenge concept fully fits with L&J so far (though that could change), but it certainly would be cool to see a lot more attention put to the after story in other NTR games. I mean, NTR simply means having a love stolen, it doesn't imply that the result be the whole "MC is a loser cuck who deserves it!", there can be so many other elements to the story.
 

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Well, there is at least some attempt at giving a reasoned explanation for his staying with her which most NTR games never attend to. The MC is a dumb ass, but... he is pretty screwed up in the head as well as it concerns Lacey and she leverages that as a means to keep him around.
Yes, because he's a weak man. He gave her all control of his life without even being there for 4 years. It's pathetic. In reality he would have been able to get that marriage annulled as soon as he recieved all those pictures of her being the town cum dumpster.

With all that happened at college, no one even questioned what was going on at the time? Especially with the drugs involved and her inebriated state? She was literally being sexually assaulted, regardless of what she believes in her own head. Can 2 drunk people give consent? Fuck no. And, yes, I know "It's Fiction" but the story is just so absurd it goes miles beyond my suspension of disbelief.
 
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