VN Ren'Py Love & Jealousy [Act 2] [Professor Amethyst Games]

[Enlight432]

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I know the only thing most people want to see here is the new release, but I have some things I really wanted to say.

1. I redid a bunch of the animations and added two more. They're not great, but truthfully a couple of them are pretty damn good. Weird right? I wasn't happy with calling the animations below average in my last post. I wanted them to be average or better. Let me know if I succeeded. The funniest thing is the best video of all is Jamie's video. It's two videos spliced together, but came out nearly perfect. Too bad most folks won't bother to see it, because it's Jamie. You are seriously missing out. Oh well. The other ones are still pretty darn decent. The worst one is one of Lacey's multiple videos. But I had to keep it. Because the expression on Lacey's face is so insanely good that it boggles my mind. But, you have to watch the sharing scene to see it. It's worth it. I promise.
2. I played through this about nine times now for testing and corrections. Which is crazy. Here's why. Remember I told you I was going to cut down the story? NOPE! I did the opposite. I added to it, because I had a creative storm strike me and I had to get all of it into the game. So, if you don't skip anything, there's around seven hours of game play in this release. And that's if you read fast like I do.
3. Yes, there's a lot of repetition in the fights between Lacey and the MC. You know why? Because that's what people do in real life. When two people struggle with something big it can take a lot of times talking through those things over and over to finally find common ground. So, no bitching about that. It's intentional.
4. Do yourself a favor and don't skip any of the love interests. It is so much fun to write all of them. With all their quirky little personalities. You miss so much good stuff if you do. I was upset that I hadn't done Bethany justice. So, if you haven't completely ignored her you'll get a chance at a really nice scene with her that helps flesh her out quite a bit. She's such a sweetheart.
5. Yes, I fucked up some of the variables in Act 2. I put in some code at the beginning of this act which should solve all those problems without you having to do anything. Be careful if you're playing an edited version of my game. Because the fixes I did could interfere with any changes that were made to my code. And perhaps more importantly, if you forced the game to take you through Bethany's lunch date in Act 2, you were seeing a much different version of the actual date which has tons of rewrites in it.
6. Allow me to do something I don't do very often. Be an arrogant creator. I really think I nailed the ending of Act 3. The last 30-40 minutes just brings this release together. I hope you agree and will enjoy it.
7. Almost forgot. I put in a simple status sheet so you can see points and lover status any time you want. Just click on the heart in the bottom left corner.

See all of you next weekend for the actual private Patreon release. Followed by the public release a few days later. Also, I promise to try and overcome my anxiousness and look at the DMs sometime this week. There's so many of them and I haven't read them because it makes me panic thinking about it. I'm really sorry. It's not that I don't want to answer you. It's that I get weird as hell and shaky when I have to read personal messages. I'm a weird guy (as if my games don't make that obvious).

Seven hours!!! Wow, the Professor truly, truly deserves financial support. And I'm sure those 7 hours will turn into at least 20 hours for me, considering I overthink things way too much in this game.

Many games release half an hour of gameplay every six months; please support the Professor financially. The number of good writers who create unforgettable characters is scarce out there. We have plenty of developers who create very hot characters, but they are all forgettable. Lacey is one of those characters that I'm sure many will never forget—someone with the title: 'The most complex character in the adult gaming world.'"

 

[Enlight432]

Also, I promise to try and overcome my anxiousness and look at the DMs sometime this week. There's so many of them and I haven't read them because it makes me panic thinking about it. I'm really sorry. It's not that I don't want to answer you. It's that I get weird as hell and shaky when I have to read personal messages. I'm a weird guy (as if my games don't make that obvious)

The fact that the dev gets anxiety just from reading DMs is actually fascinating to me—and I think it reveals something valuable. It proves just how deeply he cares about his characters and how much heart he’s pouring into creating this experience. I usually lurk in this thread too, even though this is easily in my top 10 out of hundreds of games. Why? Because I have such a soft spot for the characters, especially Lacey. It honestly hurts to see some people trash-talking her. To me, everything she does is justifiable. She isn't a villain; I don't hold a single grudge against her.
But here’s the kicker: I can’t easily defend her because the story is so incredibly layered. It’s the most complex relationship drama I’ve played, and Lacey is its most enigmatic figure. The narrative is open to so many interpretations, which is exactly why it pulls you in so deep. I just hope future updates dig even deeper into these nuances. I want people to see that while Lacey’s actions look terrible on the surface, they are actually a chain reaction sparked by her traumatic childhood. Everything is connected. Act 2 did a fantastic job revealing the 'real' Lacey I believed in back in Act 1, and I’m certain we’ve only just scratched the surface of who she really is.

 

[Lestrouduc]

The fact that the dev gets anxiety just from reading DMs is actually fascinating to me—and I think it reveals something valuable. It proves just how deeply he cares about his characters and how much heart he’s pouring into creating this experience. I usually lurk in this thread too, even though this is easily in my top 10 out of hundreds of games. Why? Because I have such a soft spot for the characters, especially Lacey. It honestly hurts to see some people trash-talking her. To me, everything she does is justifiable. She isn't a villain; I don't hold a single grudge against her.
But here’s the kicker: I can’t easily defend her because the story is so incredibly layered. It’s the most complex relationship drama I’ve played, and Lacey is its most enigmatic figure. The narrative is open to so many interpretations, which is exactly why it pulls you in so deep. I just hope future updates dig even deeper into these nuances. I want people to see that while Lacey’s actions look terrible on the surface, they are actually a chain reaction sparked by her traumatic childhood. Everything is connected. Act 2 did a fantastic job revealing the 'real' Lacey I believed in back in Act 1, and I’m certain we’ve only just scratched the surface of who she really is.

While I mostly agree with what you're saying about Lacey's actions being justifiable, I have my doubts.
The Damian situation is highly questionable and dubious, and it's only there to shock because it goes completely against what the MC begged her not to do... even kissing that guy when it's supposedly reserved for the MC... So yes, the "K" plot device is there to soften the blow of all this mess, and yes, Lacey is complex, but shouldn't she stop now? Act 2 seemed calmer in that respect (apart from the fake video, but that was optional and fit well with the story despite the ludicrous conspiracy). Unfortunately, that doesn't seem to be the case in Act 3, and if his attitude doesn't improve, then I might consider this game pure NTR and not, as I thought the author meant: "an NTR game for those who don't like NTR." I hope I'm wrong, but it's not very encouraging for the future.

 

[funnythings3785]

The fact that the dev gets anxiety just from reading DMs is actually fascinating to me—and I think it reveals something valuable. It proves just how deeply he cares about his characters and how much heart he’s pouring into creating this experience. I usually lurk in this thread too, even though this is easily in my top 10 out of hundreds of games. Why? Because I have such a soft spot for the characters, especially Lacey. It honestly hurts to see some people trash-talking her. To me, everything she does is justifiable. She isn't a villain; I don't hold a single grudge against her.
But here’s the kicker: I can’t easily defend her because the story is so incredibly layered. It’s the most complex relationship drama I’ve played, and Lacey is its most enigmatic figure. The narrative is open to so many interpretations, which is exactly why it pulls you in so deep. I just hope future updates dig even deeper into these nuances. I want people to see that while Lacey’s actions look terrible on the surface, they are actually a chain reaction sparked by her traumatic childhood. Everything is connected. Act 2 did a fantastic job revealing the 'real' Lacey I believed in back in Act 1, and I’m certain we’ve only just scratched the surface of who she really is.

Abuse doesn't absolve ones actions. You can understand their choices, but it doesn't absolve them, nor should it excuse the consequences.

Lacey was a victim of her parents as a child. Her abuse of the MC as a child was unknowing, like a drowning victim latching on without thought to another causing them both to slowly drown.

When she left the MC after they had already made plans, she became the abuser. It may have been well intended at first, but it eventually became about her own wants and desires. Granted she was abused by another, but adults are not children, they are aware of their actions and have greater responsibility. Lacey knew what she was doing, she knew it was a betrayal, she knew it would harm the MC and chose it anyway (she admits this in the dialogue).

She became the abuser and no longer can excuse her actions and her continued actions even after college with the MC are definitely actions of abuse on the MC. She is not the victim in this, she knows, she admits what she did and that it would cause harm on the MC. She can not be excused in this and this is part of the frustration and suffering the MC goes through.

Personally, I don't hate Lacey, but I don't excuse her either. I do believe she loves the MC. I do believe she wants to make things better, but I also think her desire for her wants and desires conflict with what is best for the MC and this is why he continues to suffer. That is, she continues to abuse the MC regardless if it is "well meaning" or not and what is important is that she knows this, admits to this with each confrontation that results from her desire to "have her cake and eat it too".

For me, if Lacey never comes to terms with what she is doing, never takes action to actually sacrifice for the MC (ie doing what she does not want for his benefit, not hers), then she has not learned anything, has not actually sought redemption and her character will always be the abuser who only cares if she gets what she wants.

The MCs issue is whether he accepts being the abused on her terms, forces her to come to terms with what she is doing which can lead to her redemption, or walks away.

 

[Dark Quean Olivia]

First: good luck dropping soup in the prison showers

I completely agree...never drop your soup in the shower, makes a right mess, though if going to drop it anywhere, I guess the shower is as good a place as anywhere.

 

[NewGuy2022]

Not that I'm aware of, but here are my thoughts on it

We know there's something specific about Lacey's face that made the iteration of the scene to be included over other iterations of it, it's very lopsided, and it's as "gentle and pro MC as humanly possible".

If it's MFF, then I think it's lopsided for the MC + other girl. Lacey's face could be one of jealousy. I could see it being difficult to get a good production of jealousy during a sex scene since most animations would probably just show "pleasure faces".

If it's MMF, then I think it's lopsided for the MC + Lacey. Otherwise, I don't think it could be as "Gentle and pro MC as humanly possible". I'm not sure how the expression on her face would be so special though.

Regardless, the way it sounds to me is that it will be lopsided in MC's favor in either option, but I am thinking it will be MFF just because I don't know how Lacey's face could be so special that it would have special mention otherwise.

IMO, little, if anything, about this story ever was "gentle and pro-MC." Even the things allegedly helpful to the MC end up hurting him. I hold out little hope the developer intends to change his approach now.

For some reason, the developer really seems to harbor a seething hatred of his own MC. I wonder if he based this story upon some guy he really despises?

As for Lacey's face, the developer clearly loves the character (Lacey) so I'm not surprised at all that even in an update that's supposed to be pro-MC he still finds a way to make it about Lacey--who hands down is the worst thing ever to happen to the MC.

 

[NewGuy2022]

"A story of true love, painful jealousy and the difficult journey learning how to heal and forgive."

Why does it have to be about forgiveness? Why cant you beat her half to death for stabbing you in the back?

Im not big on forgiveness, im big on revenge.

You want a ntr story truly unlike any other ntr ever made? Then have a mc who doesnt just sit there and take it like a little bitch.

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[NewGuy2022]

I think you mean a revenge story. I'd be all for it, to have a dude actually stick up for himself and not be some weak-ass who wallows in self-pity and "oh noes, she cheated, how will I ever get her back now?!" when that bitch should just hit the curb and the guy find someone actually worthy of him. Excusing inexcusable behaviors just gives people power over you when they shouldn't have that power to begin with.

He's a shock to some people.. What separates humans from animals is the brain power to actually realize that EVERY action has a consequence. If you don't want to face the worst potential consequence, then don't do the action. Pretty simple concept, and no amount of 'I'm broken' mental trauma excuse justifies making poor ass decisions, like are the bog-standard and done to death tropes for any/all NTR stories.

I agree with you that this would be a fulfilling ending for the reader. Which is exactly why we won't get this; NTR rarely has a fulfilling ending for the reader unless the reader simply enjoys watching pain be inflicted upon someone else. Not shaming anyone's kinks there; just saying I don't share them.

anongamer1983 said:
Not that I'm aware of, but here are my thoughts on it

We know there's something specific about Lacey's face that made the iteration of the scene to be included over other iterations of it, it's very lopsided, and it's as "gentle and pro MC as humanly possible".

If it's MFF, then I think it's lopsided for the MC + other girl. Lacey's face could be one of jealousy. I could see it being difficult to get a good production of jealousy during a sex scene since most animations would probably just show "pleasure faces".

If it's MMF, then I think it's lopsided for the MC + Lacey. Otherwise, I don't think it could be as "Gentle and pro MC as humanly possible". I'm not sure how the expression on her face would be so special though.

Regardless, the way it sounds to me is that it will be lopsided in MC's favor in either option, but I am thinking it will be MFF just because I don't know how Lacey's face could be so special that it would have special mention otherwise.

For the highlighted option there's a pretty simple, yet wholely NTR focused aspect that's probably closer to the scene. The 'expression' is her having an earth-shattering orgasm on some other dudes dick, more than she's ever had with the MC. That would resolve the 'special expression' on her face, and be pretty hard NTR but supposedly 'gentle' to the MC at the same time I suppose. It all depends on whose idea the three-some is, and who the other involved people are.

But yeah the old 'devils threesome' is called that for a reason and if the dude has any emotional attachment at all with the woman, should never be entertained or completed, because you stand a real good chance of seeing the woman you supposedly care about just cream herself on some other dudes tool. Pretty much self-NTR yourself with that scenario.

Since I've seen nothing pro-MC about this story so far, I imagine your assumption is pretty close to what we'll see. And the reader will be forced to read about how excited the MC is to view this. NTR stories never are kind to the MC. And this "not really about NTR" story really is a lot about NTR and how wonderful Lacey is. IMO, Lacey is the real MC here; the "MC" is just the guy she

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on constantly and is too pathetic to do anything about it.

 

[funnythings3785]

Remember... if the character writing is to be accepted as true, Lacey will likely kill herself if the MC leaves her.

This is key I think in understanding the issues here regardless of what Lacey does. I also think this may be another means to which she is holding the MC captive.

Think about it... You are with a woman who is toxic to the core... has a history of such, continues to act with such issues that fester this sore to the surface. Your solution? Sure... leave... she dies.

If this were some crazy chick you dated for a short time, you might cut ties and say "look, I can't be responsible for this crazy", but this is a guy who is invested, since childhood, who has serious connections of epic proportions. Walking away, doesn't mean... "Yeah, we didn't go so well, wish you a good life, later!", it means... she dies and not only has she said this, but so have her friends made this clear to the MC. He leaves, she dies...

Consider the connection, the investment of emotions of youth (the abuse) and now consider what his course of actions are. Even if he didn't care for her at all, this would be a complicated issue, but add in that he loves her to extreme (even unhealthy levels) and... "Danger Will Robinson, Danger!!!"

The one thing this story does that NO other NTR does, is actually legitimize the MCs connection to the FC, to make the reader actually consider the ultimate issues at hand.

This is why traditional "Revenge" resolutions won't work (he could easily walk away and she would kill herself, done) and I think this is why the story is intriguing because it is like a room filled with people all connected with stings to explosives that any sudden move to escape will cause massive destruction.

The question is, will the author treat this reality respectfully, or will "creative" author right excuse the situations to force a result that isn't reasoned to the situation. We will see...

Again, I think Act 3 will give a lot more insight on this. I am intrigued, but also nervous that I will be disappointed.

 

[NewGuy2022]

Remember... if the character writing is to be accepted as true, Lacey will likely kill herself if the MC leaves her.

This is key I think in understanding the issues here regardless of what Lacey does. I also think this may be another means to which she is holding the MC captive.

Think about it... You are with a woman who is toxic to the core... has a history of such, continues to act with such issues that fester this sore to the surface. Your solution? Sure... leave... she dies.

If this were some crazy chick you dated for a short time, you might cut ties and say "look, I can't be responsible for this crazy", but this is a guy who is invested, since childhood, who has serious connections of epic proportions. Walking away, doesn't mean... "Yeah, we didn't go so well, wish you a good life, later!", it means... she dies and not only has she said this, but so have her friends made this clear to the MC. He leaves, she dies...

Consider the connection, the investment of emotions of youth (the abuse) and now consider what his course of actions are. Even if he didn't care for her at all, this would be a complicated issue, but add in that he loves her to extreme (even unhealthy levels) and... "Danger Will Robinson, Danger!!!"

The one thing this story does that NO other NTR does, is actually legitimize the MCs connection to the FC, to make the reader actually consider the ultimate issues at hand.

This is why traditional "Revenge" resolutions won't work (he could easily walk away and she would kill herself, done) and I think this is why the story is intriguing because it is like a room filled with people all connected with stings to explosives that any sudden move to escape will cause massive destruction.

The question is, will the author treat this reality respectfully, or will "creative" author right excuse the situations to force a result that isn't reasoned to the situation. We will see...

Again, I think Act 3 will give a lot more insight on this. I am intrigued, but also nervous that I will be disappointed.

Well, I agree with several things you wrote:

-Lacey is toxic for the MC and he knows this

-MC feels deeply tied to a toxic person

-I expect to be disappointed by the developer

I wouldn't see Lacey's death as a bad thing nor do I think the MC has to remain with a toxic person to prevent her suicide. He is not responsible for her. She's a parasite and he's the host. And the host suffers until the parasite is removed. I see nothing symbiotic about their "relationship".

But I understand that, as written, the MC would feel badly about her death. As the reader, I would not.

Try as I might, I have difficulty finding any reason why I should enjoy watching the MC continue to refuse to do what he must to save his own life. If he willfully chooses to remain in a toxic place, then he chooses to die from poisoning. I'm not a fan of watching people kill themselves (some are, I recognize, so perhaps this story is better geared for folks who think that way).

Ultimately, I suppose this story confirms why I am not a fan of Netorare so it was a useful endeavor for that reason.

 

[funnythings3785]

Well, I agree with several things you wrote:

-Lacey is toxic for the MC and he knows this

-MC feels deeply tied to a toxic person

-I expect to be disappointed by the developer

I wouldn't see Lacey's death as a bad thing nor do I think the MC has to remain with a toxic person to prevent her suicide. He is not responsible for her. She's a parasite and he's the host. And the host suffers until the parasite is removed. I see nothing symbiotic about their "relationship".

But I understand that, as written, the MC would feel badly about her death. As the reader, I would not.

Try as I might, I have difficulty finding any reason why I should enjoy watching the MC continue to refuse to do what he must to save his own life. If he willfully chooses to remain in a toxic place, then he chooses to die from poisoning. I'm not a fan of watching people kill themselves (some are, I recognize, so perhaps this story is better geared for folks who think that way).

Ultimately, I suppose this story confirms why I am not a fan of Netorare so it was a useful endeavor for that reason.

Thing is, we haven't come to a point where he has accepted that though. Maybe it will be as you foretell (I hope not), but as it is now, we are in the volatile stage and there is plenty of reasoning as to why he tolerates this due to the past. He isn't a normal guy, in a normal relationship, in fact he was "bred" for this... literally... his entire childhood is an abuse that led to this very acceptance to which he is in.

If the story turns out into a simple acceptance of "Hey, I am a cuck", you and I both will be severely disappointed, though I am not sure that is where we are at. Act 3 will certainly tell us more.

The fact that the author loves Lacey really doesn't indicate a direction for the story in terms of the MC getting shit on. He can love her, but think she needs to change, and that may turn out eventually. Granted, you may think that ship has sailed, but then this story isn't a traditional concept of her being the "evil one" which most NTR games provide. There is a possible redemption here, but we will see...

This story for me lives and dies on the MC. If he becomes a cuck, I'm done. If SHE ends up changing, he accepts and they both work to a resolution that achieves something remotely reasonable, I can accept that, but it depends on how he develops.

I have ZERO tolerance for the MC being a cuck or "accepting" fault when he isn't. That is a requirement and my interest in the story will depend on it. So we will see.

 

[SayoraSaint]

Thing is, we haven't come to a point where he has accepted that though. Maybe it will be as you foretell (I hope not), but as it is now, we are in the volatile stage and there is plenty of reasoning as to why he tolerates this due to the past. He isn't a normal guy, in a normal relationship, in fact he was "bred" for this... literally... his entire childhood is an abuse that led to this very acceptance to which he is in.

If the story turns out into a simple acceptance of "Hey, I am a cuck", you and I both will be severely disappointed, though I am not sure that is where we are at. Act 3 will certainly tell us more.

The fact that the author loves Lacey really doesn't indicate a direction for the story in terms of the MC getting shit on. He can love her, but think she needs to change, and that may turn out eventually. Granted, you may think that ship has sailed, but then this story isn't a traditional concept of her being the "evil one" which most NTR games provide. There is a possible redemption here, but we will see...

This story for me lives and dies on the MC. If he becomes a cuck, I'm done. If SHE ends up changing, he accepts and they both work to a resolution that achieves something remotely reasonable, I can accept that, but it depends on how he develops.

I have ZERO tolerance for the MC being a cuck or "accepting" fault when he isn't. That is a requirement and my interest in the story will depend on it. So we will see.

Doesn't the fact that the MC is already a cuck bother you ?

The author, along with lacey, is gradually leading us to the idea that the MC must come to terms with, forgive, and love what our 'favorite' toxic slut has done and continues to do.

The only problem is that the MC needs attention, understanding, and love, while the slut can only offer sex and entertainment in various forms because she can't offer anything else.

 

[Rozhok]

Finished Act 2 just in time for the release of Act 3
Really cannot wait to find out more after that cliffhanger...

I hope Act 3 will be full of surprises again. The deepfake video in Act 2 really hit me hard and I'm here for more nasty surprises that hurt the soul. I'm confident we still don't know all the nasty things about Lacey yet

 

[funnythings3785]

Doesn't the fact that the MC is already a cuck bother you ?

The author, along with lacey, is gradually leading us to the idea that the MC must come to terms with, forgive, and love what our 'favorite' toxic slut has done and continues to do.

The only problem is that the MC needs attention, understanding, and love, while the slut can only offer sex and entertainment in various forms because she can't offer anything else.

That he was cucked, yes... it bothers me, but... how it happened, the MCs position on it (he never fully was on board and tried to stop it before it happened), his background of abuse, Lacey being the manipulative liar she was in the incident, how he was betrayed by his friends who went along with it rather than defending him, this can be reasoned through extenuating circumstances and it creates a tragedy in the story. Keep in mind there is a big difference between "being cucked" and "being a cuck". At this point, the MC was cucked, but he isn't a cuck even though there are questions with odd dialogue that might suggest it at times.

While Lacey has not taken action of any major note to redeem herself, there are hints of her beginning to head in that direction, if in words only. The key is if she actually puts actions to those words and I don't think we will see any major resolution in this area until we are on the winding down of the story.

I think what we will see is some more train wrecks of her trying to "fix" things which will make things worse, but with each iteration, she may begin to come to terms with the harm she is doing or... maybe the MC will finally come to those terms and force her to change. I honestly don't know, but we are too early in the story to know. It could go many directions at this point.

Like I said, this isn't the traditional "Evil FC" who is corrupted and then becomes malicious with the MC, so while I seriously "hate" her actions, I can reason some of it through the background and so am willing to see how this plays out. As I have said, how things are resolved are key here.

I can "live" with them staying together, providing there is a reasonable redemption of her character, but this is important here. I can accept an ultimate tragedy end, but the one I do not accept is him becoming accepting of the behavior and embracing it as it is as you say, makes him a cuck and it is just a long winding road of becoming what every NTR game out there is, it just tries to reason sympathy for the FC in the process.

I hope this isn't the case, which is why I am concerned at times, but as I said... it is still very early and a lot can happen over the next 4 acts.

 

[SayoraSaint]

That he was cucked, yes... it bothers me, but... how it happened, the MCs position on it (he never fully was on board and tried to stop it before it happened), his background of abuse, Lacey being the manipulative liar she was in the incident, how he was betrayed by his friends who went along with it rather than defending him, this can be reasoned through extenuating circumstances and it creates a tragedy in the story. Keep in mind there is a big difference between "being cucked" and "being a cuck". At this point, the MC was cucked, but he isn't a cuck even though there are questions with odd dialogue that might suggest it at times.

He was against it, but he didn't interfere. When it was all over, what did he do? Exactly! He agreed that the best punishment would be sex! (What the fuck are they smoking?)
And the subsequent scene in the bar with the bald guy... (Are you seriously still thinking he's not a cuckold?!) or the emotional judgment that everyone immediately forgot about.

This whole story, upon closer examination, looks so bad that I don't even want to discuss it.
But I'll still state the main point.
MC is weak and spineless , and because of this, everyone takes advantage of him, including that fkn whore lacey.
He may not be a full-fledged cuckold and perhaps doesn't enjoy the process, but the fact that he has done nothing to avoid this in the present and future speaks for itself.


The only thing I agree with is that this isn't the traditional "Evil FC."
Yes, lacey doesn't do this on purpose, but in the end, the damage is the same.

In the end, this VN seriously fucked up if it wanted to look like a story of love and forgiveness.Now it looks like a story of pain and disappointment.

 

[funnythings3785]

He was against it, but he didn't interfere. When it was all over, what did he do? Exactly! He agreed that the best punishment would be sex! (What the fuck are they smoking?)
And the subsequent scene in the bar with the bald guy... (Are you seriously still thinking he's not a cuckold?!) or the emotional judgment that everyone immediately forgot about.

This whole story, upon closer examination, looks so bad that I don't even want to discuss it.
But I'll still state the main point.
MC is weak and spineless , and because of this, everyone takes advantage of him, including that fkn whore lacey.
He may not be a full-fledged cuckold and perhaps doesn't enjoy the process, but the fact that he has done nothing to avoid this in the present and future speaks for itself.


The only thing I agree with is that this isn't the traditional "Evil FC."
Yes, lacey doesn't do this on purpose, but in the end, the damage is the same.

In the end, this VN seriously fucked up if it wanted to look like a story of love and forgiveness.Now it looks like a story of pain and disappointment.

The cuck scene in the bar was put in for fetish purposes (the professor I believe commented on this in the past that it was a scene for that purpose). For all realistic purposes, the scene stops at the kiss.

Also, he didn't want the kiss to even happen, read the scene again, watch the anger in his voice, and why he pushed her (ie it was essentially: "Fine, you want to be a whore, go ahead, you know you want to be a damn whore, you are getting excited, you know this is what you want... kiss him!". Even if you play the cuck scene, it still displays that the MC didn't want this and acted out of anger. Add in her stupid "oops, forgot to clean up" and you see his disgust in the reaction as well, not to mention here commenting at the end that the whole thing went to shit. The JD was a failure, another manipulation by Lacey, not a chracterization of the MC.

 

[funnythings3785]

I want to comment on the MC a moment, to give my perspective of his situation for those who are angry about him being a spineless wishy washy guy concerning Lacey. This doesn't "excuse" him, it is merely to give a perspective that might give some reasoning as to why he is the way he is.

Keep in mind, we are not the MC, we don't think like this, we see the affronts and we immediately see a logical course of action. Lacey wouldn't exist for a gnats fart with most men logically, but the MC is not logical in the normal sense. He is on a basic world functioning means, but when it comes to Lacey, all reason, all logic, all rational thought is lost.

The MC is an abuse victim of epic proportions. You think Lacey is abused? Pay attention to the MC, he is worse... because his abuse is not of a nature where the aggressor is easily identified. The abuser in his situation is both himself (his actions to harm himself in the need to aid another) and that of Lacey who innocently latched on to him to release the angst of her abuse upon him.

He took every bit of pain she had and pulled it into himself, maybe not through the literal sense of experiencing her actual horrors, but dealing with the repercussions of them. He took it upon himself to create rules to soothe her from her torture and regardless of the discomfort or weight, he bared them through painstaking process. If you think about a child doing this, actually growing up care taking like this, you get the idea of the level of weight and torture this has on a person.

He saved Lacey, at the cost of himself, LITERALLY. He made her his everything, every discomfort, every cry, every tear he bared on his own to remedy her pain. I have known children who have grown up taking on the responsibilities of this nature and it is no simple thing, it does damage on a person, far more than you may know.

Set this as the stage, and even the smallest thing as her breaking a promise to leave after the plan of being together and you can see how devastating this could be for him. His world, his life... from a CHILD was developed for... HER, and ONLY HER. His life IS HER. Is it unhealthy, absolutely... is it rational, hell no... but it is the reality of someone who is abused in this manner and make no mistake, his abuse by Lacey is just as real and harsh as her own abuse from her parents. He is literally FUCKED UP!

Now... consider all the story past this... consider his waiting for her, his accepting her back, his tolerating her behavior, etc...

It makes sense now. He isn't you... and I doubt anyone here could even remotely relate to the MC to even fathom his state of mind (me included).

The point is, yes... Lacey is a fucking whore, a liar, a cheat, a manipulator and one fucking horrible person to the MC, but... he loves her, he loves her like you couldn't possibly even fathom. He forgives to such levels that are absurd, ridiculous, and moronic. He tolerates shit that would make a normal person go berserk... because... he is the MC who has experienced what I explained.

It doesn't make it right, it doesn't justify Lacey or any aspect of the situation... but... it does give some "reasoning" as to why he is the way he is in these situations (poor writing excluded).

That said, the MC is still a "reasonable" person (just not with anything relating to Lacey) and this gives him some means for the reader to "relate" to him, to sympathize and find value in his situation, to hope for him to find some means to escape or find resolution in his situation. Because of that, the story has merit because unlike other NTR games, the MC while not having full agency, does have some integrity (for now) and there is a possibility something can be resolved to a means where he can be respected in his decisions, even if it isn't "liked" for what he chooses.

This all depends on the author though... and like a broken record... time will tell.

 

[NewGuy2022]

Finished Act 2 just in time for the release of Act 3
Really cannot wait to find out more after that cliffhanger...

I hope Act 3 will be full of surprises again. The deepfake video in Act 2 really hit me hard and I'm here for more nasty surprises that hurt the soul. I'm confident we still don't know all the nasty things about Lacey yet

If nothing else, this developer certainly knows how to inflict emotional pain upon the player.

At this point, the MC was cucked, but he isn't a cuck even though there are questions with odd dialogue that might suggest it at times.

The fact that he refuses to take positive steps to change the toxic place where he finds himself... ...suggests to me that he accepts his position. That of being cucked routinely.

Like I said, this isn't the traditional "Evil FC" who is corrupted and then becomes malicious with the MC, so while I seriously "hate" her actions, I can reason some of it through the background and so am willing to see how this plays out. As I have said, how things are resolved are key here.

Part of me genuinely wonders if Lacey actually understands exactly what she is doing during her "oops" moments and if she deliberately commits these harmful acts to control and manipulate the MC to keep him under control. For once in her life, she's calling the shots and I think she gets off on that. Admittedly, the story has conditioned me to hate most of the characters and to think the worst of them but, so far, their actions rarely prove this attitude wrong. The Lacey that pushes girls to have sex with the MC is the same Lacey that can get them to stop when she feels that would help her retain control of "her" MC.

This all depends on the author though... and like a broken record... time will tell.

Since this is an incredibly kinetic story with very little meaningful player choice, what you said is true. I still believe the developer has made this story about Lacey more so than the MC (it's his story; he gets to decide that) and I will be pleasantly surprised to find the MC doing anything positive to improve his position. While, as the reader, I feel pity for the place where the MC finds himself, I feel nothing more than contempt for him for his willful refusal to take any positive steps to improve his life. He cannot control what people do to him but he can control what he does about what people do to him. Or, he can do absolutely nothing as he is now. The only positive thing I've seen him manage is the Christine incident.

He came so close to doing the right thing at the cliffs scene... ...and then, weak as he is, he screwed that up, too.

As for all the discussion about the MC's broken state: I stipulate that life took a massive dump on this guy and has been for decades. No argument here. Not his fault. Not deserved. But what he does or does not do is what defines him to me as the reader. Until the MC changes his own life, he deserves to continue to be abused and humiliated. Everything that happens to him today is his fault. If this continues, I think I may begin to appreciate Lacey more and will begin to cheer as she continues to abuse him. I need someone to pull for in this story and it sure ain't the MC at this point.

 

[funnythings3785]

Part of me genuinely wonders if Lacey actually understands exactly what she is doing during her "oops" moments and if she deliberately commits these harmful acts to control and manipulate the MC to keep him under control. For once in her life, she's calling the shots and I think she gets off on that. Admittedly, the story has conditioned me to hate most of the characters and to think the worst of them but, so far, their actions rarely prove this attitude wrong. The Lacey that pushes girls to have sex with the MC is the same Lacey that can get them to stop when she feels that would help her retain control of "her" MC.

Yeah, I am still suspicious about her intent. The story still hasn't played out enough to see if that is a writing oversight or if there is something building that will show the true motives. Most likely though, I think that it is a writing oversight and she is intended to be "honest" in her intent, with her poor actions, decisions, and obvious dunking on the MC somehow being excused as if it were his lacking. That would be unfortunate if so, Lacey shouldn't be viewed as a heroine here, not without "extreme" character changes and recognition/actions to redeem herself, if that is even possible.

Since this is an incredibly kinetic story with very little meaningful player choice, what you said is true. I still believe the developer has made this story about Lacey more so than the MC (it's his story; he gets to decide that) and I will be pleasantly surprised to find the MC doing anything positive to improve his position. While, as the reader, I feel pity for the place where the MC finds himself, I feel nothing more than contempt for him for his willful refusal to take any positive steps to improve his life. He cannot control what people do to him but he can control what he does about what people do to him. Or, he can do absolutely nothing as he is now. The only positive thing I've seen him manage is the Christine incident.

He came so close to doing the right thing at the cliffs scene... ...and then, weak as he is, he screwed that up, too.

As for all the discussion about the MC's broken state: I stipulate that life took a massive dump on this guy and has been for decades. No argument here. Not his fault. Not deserved. But what he does or does not do is what defines him to me as the reader. Until the MC changes his own life, he deserves to continue to be abused and humiliated. Everything that happens to him today is his fault. If this continues, I think I may begin to appreciate Lacey more and will begin to cheer as she continues to abuse him. I need someone to pull for in this story and it sure ain't the MC at this point.

Yep, he is a complete failure here. Better than most NTR MCs, but still lacking. I am concerned that the author will run over him while praising Lacey (among others) in the process, but who knows...

As I said, his character can be reasoned with his past, but at some point, something has to change with him or he ends up being a prop which I think would harm the overall story.

 

[riichidesu]

Getting pretty nervous for tomorrow btw if I understand correctly we will need to play the Bethany date in Act 2 again? I was one of those users that use URM to play the date because the variable was not working.