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Avaron1974
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That's the biggest issue with the entire game now.
This was the episode to focus on the MC and have Lacey reel it in after being told for 2 whole episodes how she's fucking everything up.
After the first episode there were people that didn't like her, the second did nothing to improve her standing and the third just made her despised.
I think the dev pushed too hard with Lacey and now I don't think there is any chance of people accepting the kind of relationship the dev wants them to have.
The issue is the disconnect. The dev says one thing, the game shows another. Dev talks about them being the great loves of their lives and the MC having those women on the side as a plus. The game shows a woman intent on destroying the one person left that genuinely loved her.
There is no way of redeeming her because there is no recovering from the mental break the MC is going through. The trust is shattered, the love has gone and there is no respect left. The MC is clinging on to a childhood promise that is ruining him. He doesn't love her, he can't, he doesn't know her. He's in love with a memory that no longer exists. The Lacey he fell in love with and the one he married are 2 entirely different people and the person she grew into is an absolute cunt.
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Close, friend, but not quite.
Because, instead of standing up for himself... ...the MC reverted to submissive-mode (if he ever left it).
If Abby, Lacey, and Mia are friends of the MC then Colonel Sanders was a friend to chickens.
I'm struggling to find any character in this story that I want to pull for. So far, the best I can do is just loathe some of them. For the rest, esp. Lacey, Mia, and the MC... ...I have nothing positive to say. I welcome another scene at the cliffs and hope that the third time will be the charm. Bonus points if he drags some of them along with him.
Because everyone in this story is an abomination who exists solely to torment the MC. When anything good happens to/for the MC it is a set-up for something worse to follow. The developer will not allow the MC to succeed at anything.
Because, instead of standing up for himself... ...the MC reverted to submissive-mode (if he ever left it).
If Abby, Lacey, and Mia are friends of the MC then Colonel Sanders was a friend to chickens.
I'm struggling to find any character in this story that I want to pull for. So far, the best I can do is just loathe some of them. For the rest, esp. Lacey, Mia, and the MC... ...I have nothing positive to say. I welcome another scene at the cliffs and hope that the third time will be the charm. Bonus points if he drags some of them along with him.
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I'm starting believe in the idea that was say here before, that the MC did jumped the first time he went to the cliffs and what we are just experience is the final moments of his dying mind creating his own little purgatory
The first time he went to the cliff while in College? Why would he end up in purgatory? Purgatory imply you did wrong somewhat, the MC hasn't done anything wrong. The problem anyway is that option doesn't work because Augusta is a thing, and the detective that handed to Jared the videos of Lacey from College is a known factor, so it couldn't have all been in the MC's head from his College days.
If their is a plot twist its going to be something completely different, like discovering that Lacey actually died in College and is a Succubus like Yara, which is what is the problem, Yara stated in Augusta that her kind 'can't love' so maybe that is the point, Lacey can't love the MC is now by nature a slutty being, but she stay with him because even if she can't love him she still consider she owes him too much to abandon him... however she is slutty and want to fuck around, and she isn't human anymore so she doesn't think like a human anymore, so she use the excuse of drug induced brain damage to justify her inhuman thinking process, maybe actually she even died just before College, it would explain the notion she left him because she supposedly wanted to learn how to love (or at least figure out how to fake it good enough), it would also explain her oral fixation, considering Yara seemed to need the MC from Augusta's semen has part of her food.
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I do agree with you on this part, I thought that was a really cool little way to show that Lacey is trying to move on from her past, I think she finally reached a breaking point in her therapy with all the other things that started happening and needed to do something about it.
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I know I previously said that the because of Augusta there is supernatural elements in this story but it if ends up being something like that, where Lacey is now a supernatural being, it just becomes a very easy copout from a story he wasn't even going to write unless people voted for it. Plus, if she truly was a succubus and didn't truly love the MC, why would she even worry about how the MC feels for her getting pounded by every single guy that she meets, she would literally just be college Lacey all the time and never once worry about how the MC felt, because she wouldn't care, she just wants to be fed. Just my personal opinion
Because as I said previously their is a difference between romantic love and affection, Yara in Augusta clearly care, she care for the MC and Bailey, so the problem might be exclusive to romantic love, so Lacey still care about the MC, however she can't love him romantically. Maybe like I said she died before College, possibly when her father discovered she was leaving for College he beat her to death and disposed of the corpse, she was able to make it back to the human world, possibly helped by Aunt Augusta, and she went to College to try to figure out how to fake love so she could repay the debt she feel she owes to the MC, being there at his side until he die, just like he was there at her side until she died. So now she can't love him, but she care deeply for him, so she tried to pretend to be a good wife, while secretly being slutty and feeding off other men since its somewhat risky, so she is trying to corrupt him so he'll accept her as she is, it would explain what 'other self' she is talking about, like Bailey in Augusta that shifted in front of her mother from looking human to looking ghostly, the 'other self' is basically her succubus form.
I mean look the Professor is now up to 3 games, 1 completed was a supernatural story that turned into a scifi story at the last minute. Augusta has supernatural and exist within the same reality as L&J, so it would be foolish to not expect something supernatural to be involved in this story, the plot twist is likely that its a supernatural story revealed in the last Act, and justifying everything fucked up about Lacey, thus enabling the players to overcome their hate because if its revealed she is a Succubus as I theorized its going to be changing the tone of the entire game, because if Lacey is such a being it explain how she behave, she isn't human anymore, she can't love, but she can have affection and care, however she doesn't think like a human anymore, so she doesn't realize how fucked up she is acting due to her altered nature and way of thinking.
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I sincerely hope I don't see any paranormal nonsense in L&J. Unless lightning strikes and wipes all the characters' memories for the past five years, and lacey with MC are left wondering why a baseball bat fits comfortably in all her holes.
By the way, aliens! A great option – abducted, probed, abused, and dumped in Nevada.
By the way, aliens! A great option – abducted, probed, abused, and dumped in Nevada.
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Like I said the problem is it exist within the reality of Augusta, so fundamentally it exist within the reality of L&J. Now whatever this new theory is right or wrong remain to be seen. It would at least explain things if the supernatural is involved to some degree. It would be effectively throw out the story of this game to some degree out of the window... but when you consider that its exactly what happened in the previous game by this Dev, it make that outcome plausible. And hey for everyone that wanted Lacey to be dead, well it would mean that she is, the issue is she didn't exactly stop her from being there anyway and the Dev if anything has proven that they couldn't care less what most of us think and want when it comes to this game.
The biggest problems that Lacey has to get herself forgiven for however aren't College, its mostly everything that came after, the stuff with Jared, cheating with Damian, baldy at the bar, Isaac, etc. Those things are what the MC has to forgive her for, College is by no mean the biggest hurdle to their relationship, it sucks, but she has continually made it worst since that time. So getting over her College days is by no mean healing their relationship, its mostly for her own benefit, she want to alleviate her guilt to some degree by deflecting the blame on others, like she has systematically done during much of the game, here she is deflecting the blame for her College days on others. Hell what you said doesn't even contend with the reality she abandoned the MC, sure she might be getting deflecting the blame on others for how she behaved in College, but it doesn't resolve the fact she abandoned him, neither that when it came down to it she chose to fuck other guys rather than go back to the MC and have it with him. I wouldn't be shocked if Lacey suspected that the MC was keeping an eye on her so she tried to drive those people to take the blame so she would gain back a few points with the MC.
Hmm... I didn't get that from Act 3. So what is it that showed you that Lacey did nothing to improve? Act 1/2 constantly left me thinking that Lacey was simply paying lip service with the intent to deceive simply for her own benefit. Act 3 seemed to shore up some intent in the discussions as well as force a realization to her (this was what I was trying to look for in the previous acts).
In Act 1/2, she never had an understanding, she talked a lot about it, would beat herself up, etc... but she never showed any understanding of this in the dialogue. Act 3 seemed to display some understanding and you can tell in her various encounters (outside of the vegas girl day), that she began to catch herself, pay attention to intent, etc... she still needed to touch base with the other girls on things, but her actions showed definite intent to improve.
The bar scene of her jealousy was also a good step to her recognizing and her break down I think was a good way to show the honesty of her intent, not simply words she regurgitates to make the MC feel better. The closure in the locked bedroom was for her, but it also showed her taking agency, stepping up and holding those accountable and there was even her unloading on Mia which also showed some understanding.
What is it that you saw that made this worse? Like I said, I only played it once so far, so I may have missed things.
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I agree with you here Funnythings. Lacey definitely showed improvement in act3, even if she still isn't flawless. What act 3 really showed is how bad of a mental state MC really is. And where do we go from here in act 4... can't wait!
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