Did I get under your skin, sweetheart? Weren't you complaining just a few days ago that people couldn't handle you? There comes a metaphor with stones and glass houses to mind...
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She can't allow the MC to be like her because then they would be equal and she couldn't be in control. She craves control (MC, the harem girls, etc.).
As others have said, she wants him to be corrupt enough to do what she wants and orders, but not corrupt enough to self-determine.
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That song is pretty rough (I had to look up the lyrics, never listened to him really).
I think a "mental break" ending is possible, but it would have to fit the character and reason it. I am not big on revenge in this story (though act 3 is pushing my buttons) as up until now, Lacey has always been... questionable in motive, but never nailed down as specifically an intent of such hateful motive and disregard for the MC.
A "break" ending where something crazy happens is reasonable though, where he runs off the cliff so to speak mentally, but I seriously doubt the professor is going to allow his favored characters to be "put to the axe" so to speak. Heck, I even think the MC getting any sort of self empowered ending is likely off the tables due to what we have seen so far...
At best, we can hope for an ending where the MC isn't completely left in the dark as it concerns the "happy" of that ending, but still comes up short. It is very possible what the professor terms as "good" could end up making many of us want to throw up.
Now most of the other NTR games I have played out there, honestly... they need revenge endings, and they need seriously punishing ones. The women in those games are evil to the core.
Never in my life have ever seen a work so misinterpreted. Really and truly. People are really falling for the "evil wife" trope . . .
People imaging that the MC is the abuse / manipulation victim are hallucinating. Gristle is the dom Lacey is the sub. He the abuser, she is the abused - Lacey only controls other women
I finally found that scene btw. It's strange that Gristle - not Lacey - decides that she mistakenly texted Mia. I'm not giving up the theory that she accidentally sent them to Red MC instead of black shirt MC. And we never get any confirmation from Mia.
Granted, Mia is her best friend but she has other contacts and "Gristle" and "Mia" are two very different names . . .
bullshit. Lacey seeks to be loved, protected, dominated and punished.
You are buying into the sexist NTR trope that The Prof is challenging
MC "The one thing you need to know about her."
MC "is that she's never done anything to purposefully hurt me."
MC "And it took me way too long to come to terms with that."
MC "Everything she does is because one of three things."
MC "One, she's trying to help me."
MC "Two, she doesn't realize what's going on."
MC "Or three, she's just being stupid. And we all do stupid things and need forgiveness for them."
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Agree x3.
But since this game is really about Lacey, "good" will be with respect to her viewpoint. MC's view will be irrelevant unless it supports what Lacey wants. I'm fully prepared to be sickened by what are termed "good" endings.
I've softened my view on revenge; at this point I'd be thrilled with mere escape for the MC
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I hope I have to report that I'm wrong when this is over; I just don't see that happening with this author's work so far.
I'm surprised the dev considered this story to be about NTR because the real major character (Lacey) hasn't been cheated on or lost her LI; on my playthroughs only 2 girls have even seen Gristle's penis, much less touched it, and those two were Lacey and once by Anna (on Lacey's orders). On those rare occasions the player was allowed to choose, I chose "no." Always.
It bothers me that the MC will be forced into sex with yet another LI in Act 4. I'm trying to distance Gristle from those NPCs, not tie him closer. I want to see Gristle heal...
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Considering their are only two 'good' endings and one of them is supposed to be a sort of 'love' ending where they end up exclusive, I wouldn't say it would be throw up worthy, it could be a bit of a downer because all those girls that got romantically invested in the MC will have to be effectively friendzoned.
The other is liable to be the 'Big Family' ending aka Harem, where every girls the MC chose to go for will form a big family with him and Lacey, I doubt their will be anything negative about that one, so I assume we are pretty safe on the notion the good endings are going to be alright.
I still support the notion the two neutral endings are liable to be based on the two Act 1 paths other then 'No Fun', I think one will be based on the 'Slut' path and will effectively as you said a ending based on Lacey's theorized goals of making the MC willing to accept her doing sexual stuff with other men to make him jealous so he'll hard fuck her afterward, a cycle of Lacey acting like a slut and the MC reclaiming her.
The other based on the 'Punishment' path I still believe is based on BDSM with the MC being the dom to Lacey's sub, where he control her sexuality for his satisfaction, be her King, but realistically Lacey is effectively in charge but let the MC decide who she has sex with so he can have the illusion of control. So the two neutral paths I expect to be NTS.
So yea I think the really bad is going to be reserved for you know... the two bad and the one horrific ending. A Romeo & Juliette ending where they both die I expect their is a fairly high chance of being there as a bad ending where the MC leave and jump down the cliff and Lacey follow along out of grief to have driven him to that. I mean sure the Prof would hate that, but they'll probably throw it in for those that refused to listen to the repeated warning that separating them would be problematic.
As for other bad ending, its so difficult to say, I thought it could be one where the MC leave with one or more girls going along with him, supporting him so he doesn't end up dead, as for Lacey, I think she'd likely kill herself off, its implied she considered the years in College worst than her childhood because the MC wasn't around, so while it could be possible that she'd return to be like was in College to escape her loss, she'd likely die young one way or another.
And the horrific ending, I would really see this as being a sort of based on the War of the Roses movie, basically they live together but hate each others, she return to her College style slutting it all out, while the MC would be perpetually angry at her and just focus on his other girls, they'd have a very toxic relationship without love where they try to perpetually make each others miserable, but unable to leave one another due to their codependency.
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I have theory
At the very start as with all of the proffesors stories he tells us that the following is narrated by the MC and what he says may not be the Truth.
Ok so the MC and Lacey are revealed to us through the MCs narrative -
His emotions His feelings and His interactions with Lacey are 1000% his thoughts and feelings on absolutley everything!
We get our view of Lacey from Him then we have to assume what Lacey is going through and is feeling through his feelings.
So what is Lacey feeling ? what is her personality ? what does she feel about the MC ,her abuse, her life,what damage is there ?
From this point onward we only ever see what the MC sees, hears and feels about everything !!!!
So My theory is that Lacey is very intellegent, very artistic, has serious issues because of the sexual and emotional abuse but she loves the MC for being there to help her survive living at home, she loves that he will literally devote his life to her because thats what he did.
This is the point the MC never quite understands .
She is not leaving him she is leaving her reallly abusive parents her absolute shit life to begin a fresh one, running away from her past and that includes the MC.
Lacey has spent 13 years with the MC so knows him inside out, but cannot in anyway be physical with him or anyone.
She know that her leaving him will hurt but she has no other option.
Lacey knows the best way for her to leave for her sanity and his is to leave at very short notice so the MC cannot get hyper emotional with her for more than a few minutes.
She is so intellegent that she understands that the MC is now broken too and the only way forward for them both is to seperate and build seperate lives to then maybe "reunite" when they are not children and have overcome the horror of her childhood.
But i think we as players know she has to do this !!!!
The game introduces Laceys life in college via Mia who i think does this on her own to shock the MC into leaving Lacey because she does love Lacey and understands 100% the "New" Lacey and does not want to share Lacey with anyone.
Because Lacey is now a nymphomanic she absolutley must have sex regularly with as many partners as she can. This is not her being evil its is what she has become after 4 years in college- she finally gets to enjoy sex without the trauma.
Lacey is also extremley kind to everyone who gets close to her but also knows she must totally control them.
For them to see that her sex addiction is who she really is , it is the major part of who she has become, they MUST accept that part of her.
So she gets back with the MC and finds that he is a good looking highly intelligent human and that strange new feelings emerge within her regarding him . She loves his cock its, perfect to fill her own sexual needs (partly).
Lacey sees that maybe just maybe she can have a normal life -like she dreamed of as a child with a man who will treat like a goddess and worship her forever. A man who truly loves her because he knows her . And i think she does truly love him back.
So whats the problem ?
I think Lacey needs cock a lot and so
Evan and Jared -100% banging the shit out of her every morning
Barry - and the other black dude -100% double teaming her at every opportunity.
Marketing parties - she gets to relive those college orgies with sooo many cocks to fill her need
But again she isnt doing this to hurt the MC she is doing this because she craves sex constantly
So time for deflection gas lighting and to keep the MC in the dark begins
Every single thing we see is from his his view point
With all of the denials and excuses Lacey has the support of Anna and Mia to cover her sex addiction and its really well done
Lacey does not want to blow up the marriage but cannot control her sexual urges .
Lacey the devises the "Plan" and i can see this so clearly now that we know she is a sex addict - not a whore not a bad person just someone who craves sex .
The plan i think is to help Lacey introduce the MC to her sex addition so she and the MC can live normally.
But in order to do that the MC needs to want to see her have sex with others and to be happy that she is the way she is.
The first attempt to change her hubbys brain, to want him wanting her to be sexual with others is Damien but she really messed that up by being so overtaken by her sex addiction she genuinly loved having sex with Damien but her plan was too much too soon . The others knew it was too much too soon but Lacey is determined to get her man where she needs him to be because she loves him ! The troops rallied round got him to a safe place -some got rewarded with Time and sex with the MC
Because as she always says " Sex is not Love "
When things get a little too close for comfort in terms of the MC finding out she removes the problem-
Evan , she lures him to a place that she knows is covered by cameras , normally he would just fuck her , its happend a lot ,but this time she writes the narritive and traps Evan so he gets fired,
Jared- Lacey is not the Monster but has acces to the Monster via Veronika - Veronica is now in the Plan, she is in Lacey's sphere and all Lacey has to do to get Veronica to help is to offer the MC to Veronica.
So Lacey knows the MC is very good at spotting tiny clues to help him realise whats going on -he did it for her for 13 yrs.
She wants Jared out of the picture because he is a loose cannon that tells her hubby the truth every time they meet.
So when Jared tries to trap Lacey the MC does what he does and removes Jared from the playing surface. This again is fabulous for both the MC and Lacey as it doubles down on thier love and respect for each other-
Lacey is a sex addict but also know she must try to modify her behaviour , she needs therapy to dial back the constant need for sex so after Iasac traps her in the kitchen she understands why she loves the MC with even more clarity - its shown as a bad thing from Annas POV but in reality this is the turning point in Lacey really seeking help with her problem .
I think deep down she just wants the MC to be happy and for herself to stop needing to fuck anything in trousers .
Lacey also knows she has to get him deeper into her own sex addicted world , so him offering to do a Jealousy role play for her makes her the happiest girl in world -she literaly creams her panties because unwillingly the MC is doing exactly what she wants. Again not because she is Evil but out of the need for the MC to love her and understand her.
Look its a theory but I feel it fits 100% with every part of this glorious story I hope this is the reveal that explains her very "Not Normal" behaviour.
The simple truth is Lacey loves the MC and would die if this cannot be. - Lacey Needs the MC to understand her sex addiction and for them both to comfortable around sex with each other and with others -thats it !
I feel better ---i hope you feel better
At the very start as with all of the proffesors stories he tells us that the following is narrated by the MC and what he says may not be the Truth.
Ok so the MC and Lacey are revealed to us through the MCs narrative -
His emotions His feelings and His interactions with Lacey are 1000% his thoughts and feelings on absolutley everything!
We get our view of Lacey from Him then we have to assume what Lacey is going through and is feeling through his feelings.
So what is Lacey feeling ? what is her personality ? what does she feel about the MC ,her abuse, her life,what damage is there ?
From this point onward we only ever see what the MC sees, hears and feels about everything !!!!
So My theory is that Lacey is very intellegent, very artistic, has serious issues because of the sexual and emotional abuse but she loves the MC for being there to help her survive living at home, she loves that he will literally devote his life to her because thats what he did.
This is the point the MC never quite understands .
She is not leaving him she is leaving her reallly abusive parents her absolute shit life to begin a fresh one, running away from her past and that includes the MC.
Lacey has spent 13 years with the MC so knows him inside out, but cannot in anyway be physical with him or anyone.
She know that her leaving him will hurt but she has no other option.
Lacey knows the best way for her to leave for her sanity and his is to leave at very short notice so the MC cannot get hyper emotional with her for more than a few minutes.
She is so intellegent that she understands that the MC is now broken too and the only way forward for them both is to seperate and build seperate lives to then maybe "reunite" when they are not children and have overcome the horror of her childhood.
But i think we as players know she has to do this !!!!
The game introduces Laceys life in college via Mia who i think does this on her own to shock the MC into leaving Lacey because she does love Lacey and understands 100% the "New" Lacey and does not want to share Lacey with anyone.
Because Lacey is now a nymphomanic she absolutley must have sex regularly with as many partners as she can. This is not her being evil its is what she has become after 4 years in college- she finally gets to enjoy sex without the trauma.
Lacey is also extremley kind to everyone who gets close to her but also knows she must totally control them.
For them to see that her sex addiction is who she really is , it is the major part of who she has become, they MUST accept that part of her.
So she gets back with the MC and finds that he is a good looking highly intelligent human and that strange new feelings emerge within her regarding him . She loves his cock its, perfect to fill her own sexual needs (partly).
Lacey sees that maybe just maybe she can have a normal life -like she dreamed of as a child with a man who will treat like a goddess and worship her forever. A man who truly loves her because he knows her . And i think she does truly love him back.
So whats the problem ?
I think Lacey needs cock a lot and so
Evan and Jared -100% banging the shit out of her every morning
Barry - and the other black dude -100% double teaming her at every opportunity.
Marketing parties - she gets to relive those college orgies with sooo many cocks to fill her need
But again she isnt doing this to hurt the MC she is doing this because she craves sex constantly
So time for deflection gas lighting and to keep the MC in the dark begins
Every single thing we see is from his his view point
With all of the denials and excuses Lacey has the support of Anna and Mia to cover her sex addiction and its really well done
Lacey does not want to blow up the marriage but cannot control her sexual urges .
Lacey the devises the "Plan" and i can see this so clearly now that we know she is a sex addict - not a whore not a bad person just someone who craves sex .
The plan i think is to help Lacey introduce the MC to her sex addition so she and the MC can live normally.
But in order to do that the MC needs to want to see her have sex with others and to be happy that she is the way she is.
The first attempt to change her hubbys brain, to want him wanting her to be sexual with others is Damien but she really messed that up by being so overtaken by her sex addiction she genuinly loved having sex with Damien but her plan was too much too soon . The others knew it was too much too soon but Lacey is determined to get her man where she needs him to be because she loves him ! The troops rallied round got him to a safe place -some got rewarded with Time and sex with the MC
Because as she always says " Sex is not Love "
When things get a little too close for comfort in terms of the MC finding out she removes the problem-
Evan , she lures him to a place that she knows is covered by cameras , normally he would just fuck her , its happend a lot ,but this time she writes the narritive and traps Evan so he gets fired,
Jared- Lacey is not the Monster but has acces to the Monster via Veronika - Veronica is now in the Plan, she is in Lacey's sphere and all Lacey has to do to get Veronica to help is to offer the MC to Veronica.
So Lacey knows the MC is very good at spotting tiny clues to help him realise whats going on -he did it for her for 13 yrs.
She wants Jared out of the picture because he is a loose cannon that tells her hubby the truth every time they meet.
So when Jared tries to trap Lacey the MC does what he does and removes Jared from the playing surface. This again is fabulous for both the MC and Lacey as it doubles down on thier love and respect for each other-
Lacey is a sex addict but also know she must try to modify her behaviour , she needs therapy to dial back the constant need for sex so after Iasac traps her in the kitchen she understands why she loves the MC with even more clarity - its shown as a bad thing from Annas POV but in reality this is the turning point in Lacey really seeking help with her problem .
I think deep down she just wants the MC to be happy and for herself to stop needing to fuck anything in trousers .
Lacey also knows she has to get him deeper into her own sex addicted world , so him offering to do a Jealousy role play for her makes her the happiest girl in world -she literaly creams her panties because unwillingly the MC is doing exactly what she wants. Again not because she is Evil but out of the need for the MC to love her and understand her.
Look its a theory but I feel it fits 100% with every part of this glorious story I hope this is the reveal that explains her very "Not Normal" behaviour.
The simple truth is Lacey loves the MC and would die if this cannot be. - Lacey Needs the MC to understand her sex addiction and for them both to comfortable around sex with each other and with others -thats it !
I feel better ---i hope you feel better
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I have some added thoughts on the subject, if her goal is to be able to cuck her husband and make him ultra jealous so he can reclaim her after... maybe its why she even let him go after other girls to begin with, she says its to build back his confidence, guess what you'd need a ton of to be able to pull that reclaiming? Confidence, what if her letting him play around is only partially for his benefit, but also because she want for the girls to help build him back up so she get him in a position where he'd be able to satisfy her jealousy kink, something that would technically be for both of their benefits, but as Lacey said, she is selfish, so her benefit is probably what is sought after, how far would she be willing to go for the sake of her kink? If she is willing to cheat on the MC she might be willing to let him play around with other girls if it can help bringing about her craved satisfaction, so long as she remain in control she is fine with it.
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The problem with that claim is that isn't how nymphomania work, they need a ton of sex, but they don't necessarily need a ton of partners, the issue is typically however their partner lack the matching libido. If she was a nymphomaniac she could have just tried to push her husband as hard as possible and see if he can handle it first, rather than move straight to cheating, considering we don't have any indication of that at any point it doesn't make sense. Also Act 3, after Vegas she pretty much isolated herself so she could do her painting therapy, for what it seem to be days, a nymphomaniac wouldn't have lasted that long without getting any, and she for sure wouldn't have cut off her husband.
One thing that is known that Lacey has however is a huge jealousy kink, that is a far more sensible reason for her to cheat oh her husband over, the thing however is jealousy need knowledge, considering that everything with most of the men except Damian was done secretly, it wouldn't serve her interests, as I discussed with others, it make more sense for her goal to be to corrupt her husband into being able to overlook her indiscretions, so he'd stop feeling bad about her College and stuff, at the same time being able to accept her doing sexual stuff with other men, so she can make him jealous so he can 'reclaim' her, in the process satisfy various kinks she has. So she want him to be jealous, but not be hurt in the long term, not being concerned about losing her.
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you went through a lot of trouble into making Lacey not a whore, and turned her into MCs pimp instead. then failed to explain how a virgin nerd that only has 1 friend is something all the girls wanna get a piece of. so bad theyd destroy their own careers let alone others for it. MCs hero lvl charm already only makes sense now that we know supernatural shit happens in MCs world, so he is secretly an incubus prince with his powers sealed off and Lacey is immune to it but all the other girls arent. i mean if we are going with plausible but things that never happened tangents at least this one makes yours make more sense.
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One of my theory was that the MC is a Nephilim, a half angel, and Lacey is a Cambion, a half demon, both got some supernatural attractiveness, however the MC's version is more about making everyone attracted to guys fall in love over him and Lacey's version is more about making everyone attracted to girls fall in lust over her. The opposite force would also mean they are mutually immune to each other's powers, it would also explain why they have difficulties opposite force causing them to instinctively have some issues with one another.
The fact it seem everyone around the MC that is stated to be attracted to guys end up being charmed up by him including Isaac, someone that at first was antagonistic and suddenly was revealed to be bi but also turned supportive of the MC, or that Mia someone what was raped and dislike men magically fell in love with him. As for Lacey look she isn't a 10, she is cute but I'd say she is surpassed by Veronica, Kelly, Dianne, for sure, so why are everyone attracted to women seem to go batshit crazy over her? Why make vast complex plot to turn Lacey into a porn star? Sure she might have experience but she wouldn't be worth that insane amount of efforts unless she is affecting people attracted to her in a supernatural way to make her the focus of their attention. It would also explain the notion that she was incapable of love originally, in Augusta Yara say her kind 'cannot love' so its possible during her College days she was able to figure how to love if albeit in somewhat a twisted way.
I liked it even as I disagreed with it. Very happy you didn't go down the "evil Lacey" route. I don't think she is a sex addict. In fact I think she would be happiest to only have sex with her husband.
What she is someone who craves punishment - because, as you've said, that helped her college. We don't know if the final "black bra" scene actually happened or if the MC hallucinated it. If happened it happened because the thoughts about her father brought back everything she thought she had escaped when Isaac made her feel so much pain that she was able to forget her father.
So if Black Bra Lacey is real, she has a double motive. 1) She wants go down the K hole, get treated like trash until she forgets her dad again and 2) do that in way that helps her husband. If she can't give up the life of a "pain slut" she might as well do in way that helps the man she loves.
By the way Lacey DOES NOT need control. Why is everyone saying this?! When she was in the BDSM club did she ask to dominate some sub or did she submit to a dom? (a dom) Did she imagine herself in the role of the sub or dom on stage? (a sub) Does she have any desire to dominate Lorenzo again? No.
She is hurt / threatened when the MC chooses someone from outside the circle but she also accepts her role as the scapegoat and accepts the pain that brings. And she is smart enough to run inference on Anna and Mia - both of whom had plans to destroy the marriage.
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Thank you for your input , Perhaps i was wrong to lable Lacey with that medical term for her condition- there maybe are many things wrong with her not just one - you have the need for Jealousy addiction and i agree thats a big part of the dynamic between the two when they are alone. But i strongly think she did have sex with all of the guys i mention for whatever reason ,not because she is bad but because she is still in college mode .
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Hey thanks for taking the time to read my theory - we all see this differently to some degree and i suppose the best we can do is wait for the next Act and support each other till then,
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I really love the fact that the proffesor is linking both this and Augusta Girls so that we can speculate on more supernatural ways that LJ is being affected . I would love it if the MC was like a "super" in some way.
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I think if she did anything it would have been limited to handjobs & blowjobs since she does have an oral fixation, but else I don't think she'd have went all the way, as I said its clear she isn't addicted to sex as you think because during Act 3 when she does her whole painting therapy she is able to skip having sex for days while in seclusion, so if she isn't addicted to sex per say I expect anything she'd to be in service to her kinks, and what we know is she has an oral & jealousy kink, so having oral sex with other men would be in service of that, but jealousy require her husband knowing which was clearly not the case, and keeping it secret for a while and having all of it revealed at once would be counter productive, because it add betrayal to the mix, and if she want jealousy so her husband can 'reclaim' her, one massive bout of jealousy leading to be reclaimed once VS dozens of smaller bouts of jealousy leading to dozens of reclaiming would be far more satisfying for her kink.
While its cliche for MC of a harem game to have an ease at getting girls, the MC here is beyond that, he literally causing addiction withdrawal effects on Yue, in addition their is 'The Voice' in Augusta the MC learn how to wield a power that allow him to mind control girls, the MC in this game does something similar, when he talk to Bella he get serious and literally get her to do all he want her to do, during the dinner date with Yue the same thing happen, she has chosen him she is willing to commit, but he get serious and tell her to date Bradley, and she barely question it.
I mean it could be the Prof pushing the harem hero trope further than normal... but when you know the supernatural exist and someone in the other game use a power that is similar in nature... well its easy to make the assumption their is some supernatural forces that affect things in this game. I know some of the people here hate that notion, some say since we haven't seen an hint of it yet it can't exist, but when you consider that this Dev first game was revealed to be scifi in nature at its literal end, well it wouldn't be the first time this Dev pull a twist like that late into the game.
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I beg to differ on the part where you and others say there is no hint of the super natural - Lacey does tell the MC many times that his interaction with her when she was young was "magical" like how could he know to make the rules ,to treat he just so when to anyone else she just seemed normal. Also Lacey tells the MC that his interactions with Mia and Anna are magical too ,so maybe they have no clue in this universe that its happening to them but id like to think its very true,
Also that three day recluse by Lacey ,she was not alone - she had the three bad boys with her - the dialogue is vague but im sure she calls each one to stand in front of her like naughty boys and its intimated by silence that she blows each one to then tell them to sit down and shut up.
I had a theory some time ago (which I don't think is true anymore, but I still think about it sometime) that MC is actually alone and Lacey is an "imaginary friend" of him. Either she died long ago during their childhood or may be she never existed.
MC is obviously mentally unhealthy. So everything what is going on in his life regarding Lacey happens in his imagination. He has friends, which supports his tales about Lacey and try to calm him down when it gets worse because they don't want him to completely break. With every chapter we read MC starts to understand better and better that what he thinks is not a reality (may be even start to remember what happend with Lacey in reality) and this makes him more and more unstable. This also explains Laceys behavior - her sudden changes in behavior is not because she has different personalities, but because this is what MC imagining at this point - its his shifts of mood or something like that.
MC is obviously mentally unhealthy. So everything what is going on in his life regarding Lacey happens in his imagination. He has friends, which supports his tales about Lacey and try to calm him down when it gets worse because they don't want him to completely break. With every chapter we read MC starts to understand better and better that what he thinks is not a reality (may be even start to remember what happend with Lacey in reality) and this makes him more and more unstable. This also explains Laceys behavior - her sudden changes in behavior is not because she has different personalities, but because this is what MC imagining at this point - its his shifts of mood or something like that.