MasterGamer1234567890

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You obviously don't know how the game is made or played but that's not a problem ^^
Honestly it's just not a game for you and I am ok with that I don't aim at pleasing everyone :)
Nah. I'm probably just more used to solving problems than you are.

It shouldn't be that hard to have the first dialog in a confronting scene be a warning that you are about to lose a store line and that you should use the back option if you want to avoid that.
 
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MasterGamer1234567890

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Why are you so insistent on having the game spoon fed to you?
It's a pretty stupid comment, but to answer it. No. In that case I would spend hours on the wiki, but I want to be able to play the game without having to start from scratch every time I mess up. Sometimes there can be weeks or months between I play a game and in that time frame I easily forget all about not sleeping with specific girls in the same week etc.
 

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Nah. I'm probably just more used to solving problems than you are.

It shouldn't be that hard to have the first dialog in a confronting scene be a warning that you are about to lose a store line and that you should use the back option if you want to avoid that.
Most confrontations are short enough you can backtrack to before you started them, you know?!
 

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It's a pretty stupid comment, but to answer it. No. In that case I would spend hours on the wiki, but I want to be able to play the game without having to start from scratch every time I mess up. Sometimes there can be weeks or months between I play a game and in that time frame I easily forget all about not sleeping with specific girls in the same week etc.
Then stop bitching and learn to play the game instead of constantly complaining on here that the game is too hard or you want to have a do-over.
 

MasterGamer1234567890

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I can already imagine the sassy notifications on Baby Steps difficulty, warning you five times when you try to say okay to have hot coffee with a girl:
"Are you sure you want to get hot coffee with Sasha? You had hot coffee with Bree less than a week ago."
You click yes.
"Now, what is meant with Hot Coffee is obviously sex. Are you sure you want to go ahead and do it with Sasha now?"
You click yes.
"Okay, seems you don't get it. You live in the same house with two women, and you want to have sex with them in the span of a week?"
you click yes.
"Oh, sorry, baby talk then. You see. People don't generally like their better half, lover, person they have a fling with sleep around. Are you still sure you wanna progress?!"
You click yes.
"Last warning. If you go ahead you could lose Bree or Sasha or even both. Since you seem to either be too dense to get this or somehow decided to play at Baby Steps difficulty, basically a tutorial, just to ignore all warnings, it seems there's no more hope for you."
Of course it's easy to find reasons to shoot down an idea. The cleaver people would look for ways to make it work.
 

MasterGamer1234567890

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Most confrontations are short enough you can backtrack to before you started them, you know?!
If I notice they are gone yes, but you are not always notified when a story line ends. Also there is at least one story line, where I noticed the end of a story line as soon as it happened, but the confrontation part, and what led up to it, was so long that backtracking to a point where you could make a different decision weren't possible.
 
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Then stop bitching and learn to play the game instead of constantly complaining on here that the game is too hard or you want to have a do-over.
You are clearly more focused on trying to shoot down my idea, that to try to understand the background and why it might be an improvement to the game. But that is your loss.
 

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Of course it's easy to find reasons to shoot down an idea. The cleaver people would look for ways to make it work.
Clever people don't use dev time on ideas their player base don't want instead of putting out quality content every month.
Before you claim that I don't know what I am doing and that you are smarter than me like you did before just remember that Love & Sex has 93% good review on steam (reviews by people who actually bought the game BTW), that i just run a successful kickstarter and that I have been in that business for 5 years.

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You are clearly more focused on trying to shoot down my idea, that to try to understand the background and why it might be an improvement to the game. But that is your loss.
Alright, you want to know why its a bad idea to add warnings? What would be the point of having bad endings if you can see them coming a mile away? What's the point of having consequences if you don't need to worry about them?

This game rewards you for playing intelligently, for thinking ahead. And it punishes you accordingly for trying to play the field and trying to blow your load as fast as you can.

Now ask yourself what's been the style of play that you, yes you, "MasterGamer", have been playing. Maybe think for a moment and perhaps realise that no one is shooting down your "good ideas", its that your "good ideas" are all named the Hindenberg.
 

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Nah. I'm probably just more used to solving problems than you are.
However, this is your problem, not the dev's nor any other player's problem.

It's a pretty stupid comment, but to answer it. No. In that case I would spend hours on the wiki, but I want to be able to play the game without having to start from scratch every time I mess up. Sometimes there can be weeks or months between I play a game and in that time frame I easily forget all about not sleeping with specific girls in the same week etc.
Pray tell how that is not spoon feeding you? You made your point about how you do not like this aspect of the game, which is perfectly reasonable. What is unreasonable however is insisting on changing it when neither the dev nor (as far as one can tell from this forum, which admittedly may be limited) the player base show any interest in changing this aspect.

If a game can only be played one way, it's a VN, no matter how may different paths there are.
But that is not the case here, it can be played in many ways. It is just you insisting on a singular, let's call it "perfect", outcome, and not accepting other story developments as real. Yes, when you try to juggle a harem, you mess up, it happens. Life goes on and so does the game. You can still win the hearts of other girls. Compare it to Mass Effect 2: there are many ways to stop the reapers. However, if you want every single crew member to survive, you'll have to take a very specific path in both order of assignments and decisions along the way. Similarily here - as in every sandbox you make your goal yourself, but the "win" is marrying a girl (or a harem), that is what ends the game and allows a New Game+. There are many ways to win this game. If you want to do it one very personal (even though understandable) and very ambitious way - why should it be made easy and not be a challenge?

And you do not have to consult the wiki all the time if you learn the game. If you say you are not interested in that because it would be too much work for too little reward, that is perfectly fine, too. But then, as has been said, this game isn't for you.
 

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I might be stirring shit here, but I often feel the game is like walking a tightrope even if you use the cheats. I left the game a couple months back because of a bug with Sasha's 90% unlock (Minami had moved in and I couldn't get it to unlock because Sasha was never by herself at dinner or the event never happened when she was). One wrong step and you can find your path blocked. I understand the creator may want to encourage multiple playthroughs. Still it's discouraging if you are like me trying to unlock everything in a playthrough but if you do the office investigation storyline and Cassidy is a pet... you locked Emma's storyline. Does Emma have some kind of psychic ability? How does she know about my work habits? Personally it feels like Cassidy should be some special status since she's being blackmailed until the end of the storyline where you can chose to keep her as a pet... or something so she's not blocking Emma's storyline. Even today I restarted my game because I forgot to unlock Morgan at the theater.

I don't want to piss off people here. I like the game. I just find it super grindy even with the cheats. I get there's that balance between the creator's vision, fans who like more grindy stuff, and the people who want an easier go... but I don't know this is just my opinion. I was kind of pissed that Cassidy as pet blocks Emma's path, haha.
 

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I might be stirring shit here, but I often feel the game is like walking a tightrope even if you use the cheats. I left the game a couple months back because of a bug with Sasha's 90% unlock (Minami had moved in and I couldn't get it to unlock because Sasha was never by herself at dinner or the event never happened when she was). One wrong step and you can find your path blocked. I understand the creator may want to encourage multiple playthroughs. Still it's discouraging if you are like me trying to unlock everything in a playthrough but if you do the office investigation storyline and Cassidy is a pet... you locked Emma's storyline. Does Emma have some kind of psychic ability? How does she know about my work habits? Personally it feels like Cassidy should be some special status since she's being blackmailed until the end of the storyline where you can chose to keep her as a pet... or something so she's not blocking Emma's storyline. Even today I restarted my game because I forgot to unlock Morgan at the theater.

I don't want to piss off people here. I like the game. I just find it super grindy even with the cheats. I get there's that balance between the creator's vision, fans who like more grindy stuff, and the people who want an easier go... but I don't know this is just my opinion. I was kind of pissed that Cassidy as pet blocks Emma's path, haha.
I do know that some events are too restrictive, Emma and Cassidy are both the worse offenders and due for some heavy rework early next year. Emma will probably work the same way as Kylie at that moment and if you don't do anything in front of her you'll be fine.
So don't worry this issue is not overlooked ;)
 
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Cartageno

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I might be stirring shit here, but I often feel the game is like walking a tightrope even if you use the cheats. I left the game a couple months back because of a bug with Sasha's 90% unlock (Minami had moved in and I couldn't get it to unlock because Sasha was never by herself at dinner or the event never happened when she was). One wrong step and you can find your path blocked. I understand the creator may want to encourage multiple playthroughs. Still it's discouraging if you are like me trying to unlock everything in a playthrough but if you do the office investigation storyline and Cassidy is a pet... you locked Emma's storyline. Does Emma have some kind of psychic ability? How does she know about my work habits? Personally it feels like Cassidy should be some special status since she's being blackmailed until the end of the storyline where you can chose to keep her as a pet... or something so she's not blocking Emma's storyline. Even today I restarted my game because I forgot to unlock Morgan at the theater.

I don't want to piss off people here. I like the game. I just find it super grindy even with the cheats. I get there's that balance between the creator's vision, fans who like more grindy stuff, and the people who want an easier go... but I don't know this is just my opinion. I was kind of pissed that Cassidy as pet blocks Emma's path, haha.
Managing Emma sure is a bitch. (The warnings suggested for "wrong decisions" by some other poster indeed could already be applied to working - "If you work now, you will probably, depending on RNG, be promoted, and meet Cassidy, whose storyline could easily stop you getting Emma. Are you sure you want to work?") In five playthroughs (no cheats though, Edit: also I think she didn't really have a storyline in the first two or three) I haven't managed to do so. So I sympathize. And some of the grind could indeed be reduced, sometimes I spend days on end (in game, not real life) handing out books like they were flyers from a recently opened discotheque.

Storywise however one could argue that there could indeed be a psychic connection - some of her stuff already borders on the supernatural, like you both having the same dream, after all, so she just as well may feel that there is something going on. Though I would find that not very satisfying as an explanation. However, you specifically talk to her about all that kind of stuff, and as we all know uttering untrue words is easy, making it convincing sometimes however is very hard.
 

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It seems I cannot work at the office and I am stuck where I have to work in the office to progress forward with many characters.
Can anyone tell me how to counter this problem
 

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Managing Emma sure is a bitch. (The warnings suggested for "wrong decisions" by some other poster indeed could already be applied to working - "If you work now, you will probably, depending on RNG, be promoted, and meet Cassidy, whose storyline could easily stop you getting Emma. Are you sure you want to work?") In five playthroughs (no cheats though, Edit: also I think she didn't really have a storyline in the first two or three) I haven't managed to do so. So I sympathize. And some of the grind could indeed be reduced, sometimes I spend days on end (in game, not real life) handing out books like they were flyers from a recently opened discotheque.

Storywise however one could argue that there could indeed be a psychic connection - some of her stuff already borders on the supernatural, like you both having the same dream, after all, so she just as well may feel that there is something going on. Though I would find that not very satisfying as an explanation. However, you specifically talk to her about all that kind of stuff, and as we all know uttering untrue words is easy, making it convincing sometimes however is very hard.
We do need another way to manage Lesbian and Sub stats than books :D
If you have ideas feel free to drop them ^^
 

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Managing Emma sure is a bitch. (The warnings suggested for "wrong decisions" by some other poster indeed could already be applied to working - "If you work now, you will probably, depending on RNG, be promoted, and meet Cassidy, whose storyline could easily stop you getting Emma. Are you sure you want to work?") In five playthroughs (no cheats though, Edit: also I think she didn't really have a storyline in the first two or three) I haven't managed to do so. So I sympathize. And some of the grind could indeed be reduced, sometimes I spend days on end (in game, not real life) handing out books like they were flyers from a recently opened discotheque.

Storywise however one could argue that there could indeed be a psychic connection - some of her stuff already borders on the supernatural, like you both having the same dream, after all, so she just as well may feel that there is something going on. Though I would find that not very satisfying as an explanation. However, you specifically talk to her about all that kind of stuff, and as we all know uttering untrue words is easy, making it convincing sometimes however is very hard.
I do know that some events are too restrictive, and Emma and Cassidy are both the worth offenders and due for some heavy rework early next year. Emma will probably work the same way as Kylie at that moment and if you don't do anything in front of her you'll be fine.
So don't worry this issue is not overlooked ;)

First off, thank you to the creator for considering my concerns. Like I said earlier, I'm trying not to come from a place of bitching just to bitch, but as a person who has spent multiple hours in your game (although to be fair I do use the cheats when I play). I've been following the game through multiple builds and what you've built is really impressive. It's good to hear Emma may get a rework at some point. In my head canon, it just didn't make sense why the work stuff would lock Emma's route. Like I get if Emma saw me making out with another one of the girls. It just felt like some the events like the work investigation are hard to time correctly if you want to keep Emma. You already have to be extremely careful to not get certain status with other girls (especially Samantha) or you lock Emma. However, you can't really hold off the work investigation or you have to choose between Cassidy or Emma.

As someone who doesn't do all that grinding you have my respect Cartageno. It's got to be crazy grinding these girls then having to pay attention to your needs and money. I'm not opposed to Emma have that kind of psychic ability given their dream link. I just don't like if you don't time that investigation correctly and want to go a Cassidy (sub) route you get locked out of Emma's path.
 
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If you have ideas feel free to drop them ^^
Well, you could always have a cabin in the woods, pump it full of airborne aphrodisiacs and fully stocked with sex toys and lesbian entertainment. Then invite two girls up to the cabin, lock them in there for the weekend and go home.

Then on Monday, the MC gets arrested for false imprisonment and gets a bad ending.
 

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Well, you could always have a cabin in the woods, pump it full of airborne aphrodisiacs and fully stocked with sex toys and lesbian entertainment. Then invite two girls up to the cabin, lock them in there for the weekend and go home.

Then on Monday, the MC gets arrested for false imprisonment and gets a bad ending.

Sex Cabin in the Woods.

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