VN Ren'Py Completed Love Sucks Night Two [Final] [Art Witch Studios]

[claus001]

Sorry to double post and break my celibacy, but here comes my feedback.

Art is absolutely lovely. MC is kind of meh and thats why most of games don't show MC. Girls and settings as well made.
Writing is okayish, but I feel there is too much text. You could easily slash 1/3 of text without lowering, but increasing quality of game. Also writing feels stiff, you could easily include plenty of popular culture jokes and other comedy like in game "once in a lifetime".
Game mechanics, why not more time traveling? This game felt very linear with very little paths to explore. For example, why not to have an option in the start where you agree with Naomi and game ends you living happily and Naomi carrying a jar of ash and whatever succubusses leave behind? Why not more sex-related deaths? I died only few times, and you cannot die twice in same scene. In other words this game is a tunnel. For first release this is fine, but I kind of expected more. With more paths and time traveling madness this could be one of the best games.
More about game mechanics, there were very few dialogue options and what you picked didn't really matter. For example when you meet girls again and they ask about their costumes, why not give player multiple answers but right away correct answer? I kind of feel this game could have much more content if player had four options, and the correct one would be "battle bunnies." This being said there also should be some kind of love point counter which in the end of night would decide would girls spare you or not. Right now you can't lose and there is only one outcome, as if you picked every right option. After ending I felt I won the game without even trying.
About music, sound acting is fantastic. Didn't expect that. However, why only one background music? It is kind of weird you put so much effort on character voices and then decide "lets have only one track trough whole game." Quite strange corner to cut.
Characters: MC is beta and an idiot (usually they are). Anna and Jan are well made. Naomi is quite aggressive, Adam is pain in the ass.

Anyway, this game was very entertaining. For a porn game this is well made and there is plenty of sex. But for a game with plot this is lacking options and content. Monster girl games are few and far between, so I see a great future for games made by you. I was kind of surprised how unmarketed this game was. There are plenty of bad games that receive much more attention. Keep good work on!

 

[Duckwater]

Loved it. Great art and voice acting.

 

[vince638]

v1.13 is available on itch, with more pictures instead of placeholders (Dr Blakenship, mainly).

 

[ArtWitchStudios]

Yoooo, thank you so much everyone for all the kind words and feedback on our game so far! It means a lot to hear that so many people all over the internet are enjoying what we managed to put together We're working hard on getting Night Two finished, even amidst all the distractions and other things currently going on in our lives and the world, and once it's ready we'd be honored if you guys played that too.

When we first uploaded the game to Newgrounds and Itch.io we were worried that no one would play the game and we'd have wasted all our time, so seeing how far the game has reached and how many views/plays it's gotten even outside of where we put it has been awesome. A bunch of traffic on itch.io and Patreon even came from this site, which is just fantastic.

We plan for Nights 2/3 to be paid, with Night One working as a sort of demo. Of course, we can't stop you guys from doing your thing, but if you enjoy the game, sharing it with other people would really help us out a bunch!

I'll check back here every now and then, to see what you guys are saying, but I check our Twitter multiple times a day and our DMs are open if you want to get in touch to ask something or say anything directly to us.

Thanks everyone!

 

[ArtWitchStudios]

woah a lot of work was put into this game! Is great so far playing it, the way the game introduces or sets the main character was really cool and unique having a planned male and female main character! Sadly the female character is not available and there is no art of her, but the mc's are both likely designed to look like each other. Was not expecting the voiced dialogue, going above and beyond for a vn or proof of concept. For a game proof of concept it is really good and I can see this being a full game if the devs want to and get enough support

I'm glad you like it, and it was really nice to see that our game is on your list of best games too! We launched our Patreon perhaps a little too late after releasing Night One to get much financial support, but we're definitely committed to finishing the whole thing anyway. Just hearing what people are saying is more than enough motivation!

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Gottem.

To me that's just friendly rivalry. Even in the end when they were competing, there was no hostility among them, just light teasing. The MC also survived due to him getting more comfortable around the girls and helping them feel comfortable enough to reveal their true selves around him.

Also, Naomi is hot. Hopefully we'll get more chances to interact with her during the next day. Perhaps during the daytime, when Theo is not so worried about dying from SUCC.

You'll like Night Two then We have more Naomi content planned!

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! It would be great if the mods could update the thread so that it's listed.

Thank you for mentioning this

Sorry to double post and break my celibacy, but here comes my feedback.

Art is absolutely lovely. MC is kind of meh and thats why most of games don't show MC. Girls and settings as well made.
Writing is okayish, but I feel there is too much text. You could easily slash 1/3 of text without lowering, but increasing quality of game. Also writing feels stiff, you could easily include plenty of popular culture jokes and other comedy like in game "once in a lifetime".
Game mechanics, why not more time traveling? This game felt very linear with very little paths to explore. For example, why not to have an option in the start where you agree with Naomi and game ends you living happily and Naomi carrying a jar of ash and whatever succubusses leave behind? Why not more sex-related deaths? I died only few times, and you cannot die twice in same scene. In other words this game is a tunnel. For first release this is fine, but I kind of expected more. With more paths and time traveling madness this could be one of the best games.
More about game mechanics, there were very few dialogue options and what you picked didn't really matter. For example when you meet girls again and they ask about their costumes, why not give player multiple answers but right away correct answer? I kind of feel this game could have much more content if player had four options, and the correct one would be "battle bunnies." This being said there also should be some kind of love point counter which in the end of night would decide would girls spare you or not. Right now you can't lose and there is only one outcome, as if you picked every right option. After ending I felt I won the game without even trying.
About music, sound acting is fantastic. Didn't expect that. However, why only one background music? It is kind of weird you put so much effort on character voices and then decide "lets have only one track trough whole game." Quite strange corner to cut.
Characters: MC is beta and an idiot (usually they are). Anna and Jan are well made. Naomi is quite aggressive, Adam is pain in the ass.

Anyway, this game was very entertaining. For a porn game this is well made and there is plenty of sex. But for a game with plot this is lacking options and content. Monster girl games are few and far between, so I see a great future for games made by you. I was kind of surprised how unmarketed this game was. There are plenty of bad games that receive much more attention. Keep good work on!

Thanks for playing the game, and double thanks for the feedback! The artist knocked it out of the park with the art, so hearing all the love for the art has made her really happy.

The script was actually way longer at first, we already cut out probably a thousand words, but we felt like we couldn't really take out too much more without losing some of the story we wanted to tell. Maybe we should add in some more jokes and humor though. We'll work on it

For Night One, when we didn't even know if anyone would even play the game, we wanted to keep the scope fairly narrow. Night One is pretty linear, but we want to open it up more in the next parts of the game, without the game taking several years to make from all the art that would need to be drawn by our lone artist, but we're hoping that it will be big enough to satisfy people who want more than a linear experience

I'm glad you liked the voice acting too, we think our VAs did a good job in adding some more life to the characters, though the amount of acting is limited in night one since we didn't really have a budget. When it comes to the music though, we don't have any custom music or know anyone who could do it, we used the best royalty-free tracks we could find, but as to why there was only one background track, it largely came down to filesize. To try and get the game out to as many people as possible, we wanted to make sure it got on Newgrounds, which has a relatively small file size limit, and we have so much art that it pretty much took it all up. We're working on ways to make the file size smaller without reducing quality, but future parts are gonna have way more stuff in it anyway, hopefully, this also includes more music when we get to that part of development!

MC is definitely a bit of an idiot, but it would be a pretty short game if he just went along with Naomi's idea from the beginning

 

[thevoid089]

I'm glad you like it, and it was really nice to see that our game is on your list of best games too! We launched our Patreon perhaps a little too late after releasing Night One to get much financial support, but we're definitely committed to finishing the whole thing anyway. Just hearing what people are saying is more than enough motivation!



Then we did it right!







You'll like Night Two then We have more Naomi content planned!



Thank you for mentioning this


Thanks for playing the game, and double thanks for the feedback! The artist knocked it out of the park with the art, so hearing all the love for the art has made her really happy.

The script was actually way longer at first, we already cut out probably a thousand words, but we felt like we couldn't really take out too much more without losing some of the story we wanted to tell. Maybe we should add in some more jokes and humor though. We'll work on it

For Night One, when we didn't even know if anyone would even play the game, we wanted to keep the scope fairly narrow. Night One is pretty linear, but we want to open it up more in the next parts of the game, without the game taking several years to make from all the art that would need to be drawn by our lone artist, but we're hoping that it will be big enough to satisfy people who want more than a linear experience

I'm glad you liked the voice acting too, we think our VAs did a good job in adding some more life to the characters, though the amount of acting is limited in night one since we didn't really have a budget. When it comes to the music though, we don't have any custom music or know anyone who could do it, we used the best royalty-free tracks we could find, but as to why there was only one background track, it largely came down to filesize. To try and get the game out to as many people as possible, we wanted to make sure it got on Newgrounds, which has a relatively small file size limit, and we have so much art that it pretty much took it all up. We're working on ways to make the file size smaller without reducing quality, but future parts are gonna have way more stuff in it anyway, hopefully, this also includes more music when we get to that part of development!

MC is definitely a bit of an idiot, but it would be a pretty short game if he just went along with Naomi's idea from the beginning

Not gonna lie I'm in love with this game and every characters in it, can't wait to see more updates for Love sucks in the future

 

[James Eveleth]

I got a quick question for ArtWitchStudios. Will Addy get some scenes in her human form? I absolute adore her!

To everyone who doesn't know who I'm talking about, this is Addy:

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[claus001]

MC is definitely a bit of an idiot, but it would be a pretty short game if he just went along with Naomi's idea from the beginning

Small details are a sign of a great game. I think whoever wrote the plot and text should not take this as seriously. A few drinks should do the job. Many players would find it amusing to have such a ridiculous "game over" screen if you agreed with Naomi. Like, the girl told you her plan so what did player expect?

Anyway, I recommend playing "pale carnation" to have a feeling what I see as an ideal balance between text, plot and pictures, I think they have achieved that. It is not a crime to be influenced work of others

Can't wait to play next release!

 

[ArtWitchStudios]

I got a quick question for ArtWitchStudios. Will Addy get some scenes in her human form? I absolute adore her!

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She will show up in both forms, though she doesn't have as much of a major role in the game as the other characters! I'm glad you adore her though

Small details are a sign of a great game. I think whoever wrote the plot and text should not take this as seriously. A few drinks should do the job. Many players would find it amusing to have such a ridiculous "game over" screen if you agreed with Naomi. Like, the girl told you her plan so what did player expect?

Anyway, I recommend playing "pale carnation" to have a feeling what I see as an ideal balance between text, plot and pictures, I think they have achieved that. It is not a crime to be influenced work of others

Can't wait to play next release!

We'll check it out! Thank you again for the feedback

 

[Monsaic]

Hype for the art - but gameplay wise a little bit disappointing (kinetic novel style). I basically started skipping the story at the burger house when static images remained for seemingly 40 mouse clicks... nonetheless much potential, hopefully they make a real game

 

[thswherizat]

I mean the title says "Visual Novel", beyond branching dialogue choices, what more were you planning on encountering?

 

[ArtWitchStudios]

We've had Night One, out for a little while, but while we've been hard at work on making Night Two, we've finally managed to get on Steam! It's a pretty big deal for us, so I'd love it if you would consider giving us a look

The OP has an old version of the game, I'm not sure how to go about getting that updated, but the Steam version has more art, a preview of Night Two, a stupid minigame, and a bunch of bug/typo fixes from the old 1.11 version at the beginning of this thread. We'll update itch.io's 1.13 version to Steam's 1.14 version as soon as we can!

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[kratoscar2008]

Will these new versions let us name the protag?

 

[zetta216]

1. Can we please name the Protagonist? No offense to theo's out there but weirdly being called that instead of the name I chose just felt super weird. Even more so because the girls don't use the name you chose.

2. Does feeding sammy do anything? I'm past 100...

3. You can make character name (and other things) be a persistent option in the menu, please do this so we don't need to re write it everytime we view a scene in gallery.

4. In conjunction with that a true gallery would be nice. The scenes just take us back to that point in the story, and I can't even remember what each point was from the little blurb you use on each one. "Sit on your face" is pretty easy to figure out, but in a few weeks if I start this up again it probably won't be obvious.

5. I have to say amazing job. Story is fine if a little over done. Voice acting was a bit weak at some points, at others it sounded professional though. Art and characters are amazing! Job well done, I am sure I will be buying the later parts.

 

[ArtWitchStudios]

1. Can we please name the Protagonist? No offense to theo's out there but weirdly being called that instead of the name I chose just felt super weird. Even more so because the girls don't use the name you chose.

Sorry, but we don't have any plans to do this, I'm not really sure it's worth changing the script over. I guess we can think about it, is the MC having a name that bothersome?

2. Does feeding sammy do anything? I'm past 100...

Nope! That's just something stupid we put in because one of our followers on Twitter made a joke about wanting a game where all you do is feed Sammy fries Maybe we'll make him get fat though.

3. You can make character name (and other things) be a persistent option in the menu, please do this so we don't need to re write it everytime we view a scene in gallery.

We're reworking the replay menus. We hit a breakthrough and we're working on it.

4. In conjunction with that a true gallery would be nice. The scenes just take us back to that point in the story, and I can't even remember what each point was from the little blurb you use on each one. "Sit on your face" is pretty easy to figure out, but in a few weeks if I start this up again it probably won't be obvious.

Gallery is hard because we have to make a smaller image and modifications to every image, and Love sucks has over 150 images. Currating them for a gallery AND developing a second game is hard. We'll get around to this at some point, but it's not at the top of our priority list right now!

5. I have to say amazing job. Story is fine if a little over done. Voice acting was a bit weak at some points, at others it sounded professional though. Art and characters are amazing! Job well done, I am sure I will be buying the later parts.

Thank you so much! I'm so happy to hear you liked it, and I appreciate the feedback on what we could do better!

 

[ArtWitchStudios]

Night One has been updated to 1.14, the same as the Steam version free on

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, I'm not really sure how F95 does things, but if someone could update the OP to link to the current version, that would be awesome. The version this thread has is really showing its age.

 

[kratoscar2008]

Sorry, but we don't have any plans to do this, I'm not really sure it's worth changing the script over. I guess we can think about it, is the MC having a name that bothersome?

I mean if you are using second person narration then your intetion is the player to feel like they are the character so yeah a different name from yours kind of dampers that.
Its doesnt require much really, just the line of code to ask the player name and the and then just find replace the name with the variable name i brackets.
See

 

[bobby125432]

Night One has been updated to 1.14, the same as the Steam version free on

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, I'm not really sure how F95 does things, but if someone could update the OP to link to the current version, that would be awesome. The version this thread has is really showing its age.

reported the post with link to new version so the mods should update soon

 

[ArtWitchStudios]

reported the post with link to new version so the mods should update soon

Ah, is that how we go about it? Thank you!

 

[sexypeanut]

Just played it.
Art is really great, although the blonde has eyes a bit too big. Love the giant hairs!
The time loop shenanigans are cool and I don't recall this schtick being used in other porn games! It's like a kind of inner auto-save to avoid bad endings, but we still get to see the scenes.
I like that Naomi slowly becomes kinder to MC as things evolve.
The voice... meh. Could do without it. I rather have music.
The only thing that was missing was some kind of penetration. When Anna started to toy with Jan's ass, I thought she would make MC's dick slip inside... Hope Nights 2 and 3 will have lots of it!

All in all, a nice game and I'll eagerly wait for the next updates