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VN Ren'Py Lovephobia [v0.30] [Kuviragames]

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theduke9999

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Not in the pure Love Route. That route is just cozy, cute and love. If you always chose the "i am in love with that girl" options you will be on that route. If you chose something different things can happen.. maybe just a conversation and mc gets jealous.. and if you treat her in a "bad" or in a "i don't care about her" way.. well it should be obvious. Same goes for the other girls but only Ava has the Full pure Love Route from the beginning and the only True Main ending.
im curious though how is it ntr if MC chooses to ignore a woman or flat out doesnt like her but then watches her bang another guy , doesnt he have to be inlove with her and she plays around on him .. to me if i dont like a woman then who cares what she does
 

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im curious though how is it ntr if MC chooses to ignore a woman or flat out doesnt like her but then watches her bang another guy , doesnt he have to be inlove with her and she plays around on him .. to me if i dont like a woman then who cares what she does
Its not NTR at all if the guy who is watching is not involved romanticly with the woman doing the banging - its just a case of being a questionable peeping tom, like why are you watching this woman bang another dude if you don't like her? Meh I guess anybody would watch anybody bang if they got the chance.
 

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Very great new update, made me almost cry when Ava's sister tells him what happened to her. Poor girl didn't deserve that. I just hope being the nice and caring guy, doesn't bite him in the end. I really love Ava and want her to be the main girl, not get into to much relationships. I don't mind harem and ntr and all those, but for now i want to be a good guy for once, like i'm in real. I loved this update even it so short, i look forward to future developments.
 
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im curious though how is it ntr if MC chooses to ignore a woman or flat out doesnt like her but then watches her bang another guy , doesnt he have to be inlove with her and she plays around on him .. to me if i dont like a woman then who cares what she does
Yeah
This is a VERY BIG issue we talked about on the previous page
Even with the FMC, this problem exists. To rack up Netorare points, you basically gotta ignore her completely
For NTR to actually hit right, the relationship between the MC and FMC has to get deep first, so the "player" can fully feel and experience it. Then, someone else gets involved, and the story goes on from there
 
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Its not NTR at all if the guy who is watching is not involved romanticly with the woman doing the banging - its just a case of being a questionable peeping tom, like why are you watching this woman bang another dude if you don't like her? Meh I guess anybody would watch anybody bang if they got the chance.
Agreed.
For the Netorare route, we need romantic and semi-sexual scenes between the mc and fmc.
This problem exists with all the LIs, Like, you basically gotta cut her sister out of the mc’s life completely to go down the Netorare path. Or, you gotta skip hooking up with that girl in the car. In other words, nothing good should happen for it to turn into Netorare.
Basically, everyone has to feel like complete strangers to you for Netorare to happen—and at that point, it’s not even Netorare anymore; it’s just voyeurism.
 

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So I'm confused is the avoidable NTR just "close your eyes and ears and sing lalala" or does it actually not happen if you don't choose the path? Because it seems like the mom is cheating regardless of your choices, the sister clearly is sleeping with Bahram (really bad name lol unless you were trying to make him sound like a douche) and Zoe still gets SA'd even if you don't ask her about it. I mean if there is no incest I'm fine with mom/sis having their own sex lives IDC I just don't want to see it and would like some clarity lol. Zoe getting SA'd is heartbreaking but seems pivotal to her character development. I know there is no Harem and no incest but if MC can just juggle Zoe/Ava I will be a happy camper (which Ava seems open considering she had a threesome already).

Also --- what was that about Ava saying "the last time I had sex was with you so it's been a long time". So MC hasn't ever been attracted to Ava until recently but they still fucked as teens? Needs a flashback/some explanation lol (hopefully they lost their virginities together that would be very cute and romantic).
 
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The mom and Matt kitchen scene that give you a choice' Do you believe that?', I mean WTF. Why this scene even existed?There is no impact of this choice like you are asked if you like the news of your sister getting a bf. The kitchen scene is just to prove to us that Mom is really cheating with Matt? The ntr score system needed to be fixed. If your NTR score is 0, some scenes shouldn't appear cause it won't make sense in the non-ntr path.
Sometime the choice you choose which you want to make something avoidable, but usually, it seems like just skippable or make the MC is a stupid fuck to ignore everything obviously.
Also, the Zoe incident. The SA to Zoe is sad but why the hell a love story focus( between Ava and MC) needs this kind of character background. Do I need to expect every girl now on that MC show interest have these similar kind of tragic story that always involve sexual elements? I don't really know sometime your choice is meaning something or just ignore everything.
I really lost focus of the story. Too many storylines, but in the same time, not really necessary. I hope the story will get better.
 
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Kuviragames

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Yeah
This is a VERY BIG issue we talked about on the previous page
Even with the FMC, this problem exists. To rack up Netorare points, you basically gotta ignore her completely
For NTR to actually hit right,
the relationship between the MC and FMC has to get deep first, so the "player" can fully feel and experience it. Then, someone else gets involved, and the story goes on from there
This is my first game. So when I learned how to do all the things I followed tutorials and stuff and so I implemented those points. Right now I ignore those points and do everything with flags. So instead of gaining 10 Ntr points Ava just remembers you ignored her/stood her up or whatever. I think the point system works better in Sandbox games. Where you do things over and over again. Specially because points in my game could lead to bugs. Like the text doesn't fit anymore because you reached 50 points but you did not a specific thing but they are still talk about it because you hit those points. But currently everything works like it should and that's why i did not removed them yet and maybe never will. :D
 
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Agreed.
For the Netorare route, we need romantic and semi-sexual scenes between the mc and fmc.
This problem exists with all the LIs, Like, you basically gotta cut her sister out of the mc’s life completely to go down the Netorare path. Or, you gotta skip hooking up with that girl in the car. In other words, nothing good should happen for it to turn into Netorare.
Basically, everyone has to feel like complete strangers to you for Netorare to happen—and at that point, it’s not even Netorare anymore; it’s just voyeurism.
Maybe my english is to bad but I can't really follow you, I'm sorry. Why do you have to cut out Zoe? Or why can nothing good happen to be on the NTR path? Or to be more precise could you please explain the problem with the LIs in my game? :giggle:
 

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So I'm confused is the avoidable NTR just "close your eyes and ears and sing lalala" or does it actually not happen if you don't choose the path? Because it seems like the mom is cheating regardless of your choices, the sister clearly is sleeping with Bahram (really bad name lol unless you were trying to make him sound like a douche) and Zoe still gets SA'd even if you don't ask her about it. I mean if there is no incest I'm fine with mom/sis having their own sex lives IDC I just don't want to see it and would like some clarity lol. Zoe getting SA'd is heartbreaking but seems pivotal to her character development. I know there is no Harem and no incest but if MC can just juggle Zoe/Ava I will be a happy camper (which Ava seems open considering she had a threesome already).

Also --- what was that about Ava saying "the last time I had sex was with you so it's been a long time". So MC hasn't ever been attracted to Ava until recently but they still fucked as teens? Needs a flashback/some explanation lol (hopefully they lost their virginities together that would be very cute and romantic).
That's it. Does it happen or not. There thing's that happen to 100% like the mom and dad in the kitchen. But the mom situation that you mentioned.. who knows. A bit playing with "phobia". Like even the "Cheating path" could be wrong. Like MC thinks now that there is something odd but nothing happened. But at the end you can decide that for yourself. But if you really want to know because else it breaks the game for you feel free to send me a message. And I will spoiler you a bit.

Yes the sister is sleeping with her boyfriend. I just want to give the player the descision if he wants to see more or not.
Behram.. I think thats "subjective?(is that the right word in english?)". The parents of Zuni and Behram are foreigners. So I was looking "Top 100 names in XXXX Country". And that was my favorit. When you talk to Behram I tried to show that he is not like his parents. He fights between what his family force him to believe and how he has to treat/handle his sister Zuni and what he really wants for sister. I don't want to make him or sound like a douche)

Zoe/Ava "juggle" - Won't spoiler anything.

I am a bit scared of flashbacks since 100 comments about flashbacks 99 hate it. So normally I would just answer your question, but I really like your idea, thank you. I will answer that in one of the next updates.
 

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The mom and Matt kitchen scene that give you a choice' Do you believe that?', I mean WTF. Why this scene even existed?There is no impact of this choice like you are asked if you like the news of your sister getting a bf. The kitchen scene is just to prove to us that Mom is really cheating with Matt? The ntr score system needed to be fixed. If your NTR score is 0, some scenes shouldn't appear cause it won't make sense in the non-ntr path.
I explained the Points problem a few comments before. And hopefully could explain why they even exist. specially in the beginning I planned to let the play set the rules. Like if you would answer "I hate the idea of her having a boyfriend" that would give you -100 points for NTR with her which means you would not see any "XXX" related things with her anymore. And to be fair.. if you just play the game without any mods or whatever you wouldn't know there are points at all. And back then I didn't knew that people can see these points.

For the mom kitchen scene please read my last comment.

Sometime the choice you choose which you want to make something avoidable, but usually, it seems like just skippable or make the MC is a stupid fuck to ignore everything obviously.
Like I mentioned in my last comment there are things I want to keep hidden. So it could be happened or not but also to set more flags. Just as example if you believe your mom now - then you get a different scene later. And if you don't believe her mc is more curious/aware and maybe see something odd again, or caught them in the act.

Also, the Zoe incident. The SA to Zoe is sad but why the hell a love story focus( between Ava and MC) needs this kind of character background. Do I need to expect every girl now on that MC show interest have these similar kind of tragic story that always involve sexual elements?
Well as for me I woulnd't label the game with any focus or tags or whatever. Because at the end I just try to make the game how in my opinion it stays "wholesome, dramatic, sad and exciting to read. But mostly to keep having fun creating it. But I try to answer here all questions as best as I can. So does she need that background? Not really. She could be like in other games a girl sleeping around with everyone. Or she could be dumb. She could just exist as text and never shown. I don't think I can give you an pleasant answer to that.

No you don't need to expect that. I don't understand why you think that? Zoe is the only one with that kind of tragic story. So I don't understand where this idea even comes from.

I don't really know sometime your choice is meaning something or just ignore everything.
I really lost focus of the story. Too many storylines, but in the same time, not really necessary. I hope the story will get better.
Hey nobody is perfect. :LOL: I probably do a lot of mistakes. If it is to confusing or whatever then I am sorry.
 
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Maybe my english is to bad but I can't really follow you, I'm sorry. Why do you have to cut out Zoe? Or why can nothing good happen to be on the NTR path? Or to be more precise could you please explain the problem with the LIs in my game? :giggle:
Based on the point system I saw in previous updates during walkthrough mode, to enter the NTR path with Zoe, you need to choose "No" the first time she asks for your help. This causes you to skip going to the cinema with her, then skip playing tennis with her, and eventually, you won’t sleep next to her at night. In other words, it reduces the entire gameplay with Zoe to less than 5 minutes. Currently, if Zoe has sex with another man, it doesn’t count as NTR because we are not in a romantic relationship with her
Have these issues been addressed in this update?
If we could spend a lot of time with Zoe and then have a choice appear that allows another man to get close to her, that would be Netorare
 
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If you don't do anything wrong at all i don't think it would make much sense going in that direction. For jealousy you need the balance of sticking with her love route and also ignoring her from time to time. Antagonist? For Avas pure Love route - no. For every other route in the game - yes.
I don't like mechanics where you only get NTR if MC is an idiot or ignores her from time to time. Why should I play such an idiot? He is clearly in love with her and this should be reflected on the NTR path, too. Actually, it is what makes NTR interesting in the first place: if there is no connection between MC and LI, it's not NTR, it's just a woman having sex with another guy. If they are in a loving, healthy relationship, having an antagonist who "owns" the LI adds the desired drama and tension.

Take for example the mother-NTR: if it's really about "She cheats with Matt because she is lonely / her husband is away often", that's kind of boring. It's not impactful because the relationship between mom and dad is already fading and Matt just occupies the "empty space". NTR is imho more impactful if there is no empty space to be occupied, but already occupied space corrupted and taken away: so the mom is not bored or horny, but still serves Matt because he e.g. dominates her in a way her husband doesn't and can't do. She wears slutty clothes because Matt tells her to, not because she feels better with it or whatever. She lets Matt fuck her, but denies her husband because Matt said so- not because she doesn't want to or finds Matt more interesting. So NTR, imho, is not about grabbing space somebody else left behind, but about owning space that is already somebodies elses.

And, as a last remark: I personally don't find "behind the back" cheating and "lying bulls" appealing: so if Matt really got a blowjob, he should have just told it right away without any fear of MC. It shouldn't bother him that MC knows, and he maybe could have even made him watch. This obviously should be important for the Ava-NTR, too: don't cheat behind the back, make it clear that the antagonist owns the girlfriend and is not afraid of MC.
 

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Based on the point system I saw in previous updates during walkthrough mode, to enter the NTR path with Zoe, you need to choose "No" the first time she asks for your help. This causes you to skip going to the movies with her, then skip playing tennis with her, and eventually, you won’t sleep next to her at night. In other words, it reduces the entire gameplay with Zoe to less than 5 minutes. Currently, if Zoe has sex with another man, it doesn’t count as NTR because we are not in a romantic relationship with her
Have these issues been addressed in this update?
If we could spend a lot of time with Zoe and then have a choice appear that allows another man to get close to her, that would be Netorare
I don't know if you read other comments so just to be sure I want to say again that the "points" system is outdated and will be removed. I never played a game with walktrough mod so I didn't knew that people can see those points. But I get a better result with flags. That's why at some point I switched to only flags and so you don't get points anymore.

So that's how it should be:
You go to Zoe to apologize -> She tells you that she wants your help -> You decide yes or no = flag set for interested in her or not.
The interested is not meant like "does MC likes this character". It means "Is the player interested in that Figure". So that you can decide if you want to play her scenes or do you want to skip them. And obviously if you skip characters means less content.

I will remove all points in the next update. I hope it's less confusing them.
 

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I don't like mechanics where you only get NTR if MC is an idiot or ignores her from time to time. Why should I play such an idiot? He is clearly in love with her and this should be reflected on the NTR path, too. Actually, it is what makes NTR interesting in the first place: if there is no connection between MC and LI, it's not NTR, it's just a woman having sex with another guy. If they are in a loving, healthy relationship, having an antagonist who "owns" the LI adds the desired drama and tension.

Take for example the mother-NTR: if it's really about "She cheats with Matt because she is lonely / her husband is away often", that's kind of boring. It's not impactful because the relationship between mom and dad is already fading and Matt just occupies the "empty space". NTR is imho more impactful if there is no empty space to be occupied, but already occupied space corrupted and taken away: so the mom is not bored or horny, but still serves Matt because he e.g. dominates her in a way her husband doesn't and can't do. She wears slutty clothes because Matt tells her to, not because she feels better with it or whatever. She lets Matt fuck her, but denies her husband because Matt said so- not because she doesn't want to or finds Matt more interesting. So NTR, imho, is not about grabbing space somebody else left behind, but about owning space that is already somebodies elses.

And, as a last remark: I personally don't find "behind the back" cheating and "lying bulls" appealing: so if Matt really got a blowjob, he should have just told it right away without any fear of MC. It shouldn't bother him that MC knows, and he maybe could have even made him watch. This obviously should be important for the Ava-NTR, too: don't cheat behind the back, make it clear that the antagonist owns the girlfriend and is not afraid of MC.
Why does MC have to be an idiot? Making wrong decisions a part of human being. Not having time for someone because of (insert reason) is also completly normal. And honestly the first block doesn't make any sense for me. I am pretty sure that the love between them is clearly visible and the NTR Path for her doesn't even exist yet.

Well we could first argue if it's NTR in a non-incest game or in her case probably just plain cheating. The things you describe is the NTR that you have in every NTR focus game (which I also enjoy). But most of the time what happens in those games is in my opinion bullshit. And still I like to play them. Honestly I don't even know if I will manage to go with a atleast "tried to be realistic" variant. But that all of the sudden the Antagonist ist grabbing Avas boobs and she is against it but still doesnt do anything about it and endures it for 10 minutes is just not what I have in mind.

Same with your Matt example. I could not even think about one single realistic reason why Matt should tell that MC in the face. You have a son and a mother who love their kids. So in any scenario where Matt tells that MC right into his face. How would Matt not lose the mom? Like MC is fine with it? Or mom doesn't care that she he blows matt infront of his mom?

Don't get me wrong. Of course you can't make everything realistic. And you probably shoulnd't because the game would be boring as hell. But in my case if it gets to absurd I lose interest in a game. And if I would start doing those absurd things in my game I guarantee you in two months you would read the abandoned tag because I would lose the interest creating it.
 

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While there are still typos here and there the biggest error I see is mislabeling Jenny as Jack in the following scene:
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Oh and thank you for changing her name to Jenny. All is right now. :)
Whoops. I am so used to write "an" for ava and "zn" for zoe that my brain automatically made "jn" instead of "jm".
Thank you very much. I changed it and should be fixed in the next update. :giggle:
 
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