VN Ren'Py Lovephobia [v0.80v4] [Kuviragames]

[rogersmith]

well we have our own different opinion on the matter and like I said earlier we just need to agree to disagree on it. Cause I don't see why you can't say everything will be okay while also telling them they fucked up and maybe give advise to fix it or do better in the future. ( that's just my views and opinion)

The reason why you can't say "everything will be okay" is simple. People, especially women are not rational, they are emotional. So telling her "cheating is wrong" is just useless - she knew it full well already. But still she decided to go with her friends to fuck around, lying to her partner.

So you have to appeal to emotions. If you want to tell her emotions that you are not happy with her decision you should show it emotionally. You should punish her. Hurt her, intentionally. You should be angry at her. Not mad-angry, she have to feel that you are still love her deeply and angry at her exactly BECAUSE you love her. That way you'll create a emotional pull in the right ditection backed by your emotional significance for her.

But if you say "everything will be okay" emotional pull would not be there. Or you can even create a pull in the wrong direction - she would cheat expecting your support afterwards.

PS. I think we are getting too deep into psychology here. The matter is complex, and any RL case should be analyzed individually. In this case we should get to the source of her compulsion to cheat. It could be rooted in inadequate relationship. But in any case cheating is a pathological behavioral pattern and should be addressed. And failure of MC in doing so just rubbed me wrong.

 

[Filipis]

Yeah the dev likes NTR but doesn't want to just insert cause they like it which is why i think we will only get 1 true NTR scene and I think will only happen the one time if I recall correctly.

Can the dev Kuviragames confirm this? I need to know if NTR will be a one-time thing or a full-on path you can get on with Ava?

 

[EnTeeArrr]

Ride or die means loyalty, cheating is not loyalty. Dont back someone when they do stupid shit like that, or your just as bad as they are.

And you would be dead wrong. Being loyal and being indulgent are very different things. Usually opposing each other.

First have roots in caring for someone deeply and being ready to share responsibility and hurt.

Second - in egoistic pleasure of making someone feel better right now, ignoring the damaging consequences.

Yeah but they said nothing about helping them to understand, they spoke like it was an unforgivable ostracising crime. Don't move the goal posts here.

 

[Dessolos]

The reason why you can't say "everything will be okay" is simple. People, especially women are not rational, they are emotional. So telling her "cheating is wrong" is just useless - she knew it full well already. But still she decided to go with her friends to fuck around, lying to her partner.

So you have to appeal to emotions. If you want to tell her emotions that you are not happy with her decision you should show it emotionally. You should punish her. Hurt her, intentionally. You should be angry at her. Not mad-angry, she have to feel that you are still love her deeply and angry at her exactly BECAUSE you love her. That way you'll create a emotional pull in the right ditection backed by your emotional significance for her.

But if you say "everything will be okay" emotional pull would not be there. Or you can even create a pull in the wrong direction - she would cheat expecting your support afterwards.

PS. I think we are getting too deep into psychology here. The matter is complex, and any RL case should be analyzed individually. In this case we should get to the source of her compulsion to cheat. It could be rooted in inadequate relationship. But in any case cheating is a pathological behavioral pattern and should be addressed. And failure of MC in doing so just rubbed me wrong.

and I am saying I would do both if I can even do the mean of it cause that goes directly against my personality and if I can I am incapable of doing only the mean part of it but either way , this is getting derailed when I been saying agree to disagree for the 3rd time or 4th time now. So I won't reply anymore

 

[Dessolos]

Can the dev Kuviragames confirm this? I need to know if NTR will be a one-time thing or a full-on path you can get on with Ava?

Found the post

 

[oidex]

So I avoided any and all cheating, turned down everyone except Zoe, because it's not cheating there, but come day 16, suddenly Zuni waltzes into the room and starts sucking my dick, with no way to stop her? And my reaction is to ask her on a date, without any player input?
Dafuq?

 

[Dessolos]

So I avoided any and all cheating, turned down everyone except Zoe, because it's not cheating there, but come day 16, suddenly Zuni waltzes into the room and starts sucking my dick, with no way to stop her? And my reaction is to ask her on a date, without any player input?
Dafuq?

sounds like either a bug or you made a choice earlier that puts you on the Zuni path

 

[oidex]

sounds like either a bug or you made a choice earlier that puts you on the Zuni path

Yeah, just checked the code. If you are not on ava love path, you don't get the choice to start something with Zuni or not. Game just auto-hard-locks you onto her path. Guess that's it for my Zoe run.

 

[rogersmith]

Yeah but they said nothing about helping them to understand, they spoke like it was an unforgivable ostracising crime. Don't move the goal posts here.

Nope. Read my posts again. The goal is to help her understand on a emotional level. Which is different from rational understanding BTW.

 

[rogersmith]

and I am saying I would do both if I can even do the mean of it cause that goes directly against my personality and if I can I am incapable of doing only the mean part of it but either way , this is getting derailed when I been saying agree to disagree for the 3rd time or 4th time now. So I won't reply anymore

Dude, after "agree to disagree" you said "Cause I don't see why you can't say everything will be okay while also telling them they fucked up". All I did was explained you WHY - it would be confusing and damaging.

PS. The modern usage of "agree to disagree" out of it's intended scope is so cute. It is completely fine to use when talking about tastes or preferences, where no rational arguments could be made. But used when talking about something substantial, something logically or empirically verifiable - it becomes so manipulative. Straight out of some modern "studies": "I have no arguments but you can't criticize me cause of my emotions". So cute. Until it hurts people, of course. And often it does...

 

[mommysboiii]

Stop trolling dev when does kenji turn ava into a fleshlight

 

[Dessolos]

Dude, after "agree to disagree" you said "Cause I don't see why you can't say everything will be okay while also telling them they fucked up". All I did was explained you WHY - it would be confusing and damaging.

PS. The modern usage of "agree to disagree" out of it's intended scope is so cute. It is completely fine to use when talking about tastes or preferences, where no rational arguments could be made. But used when talking about something substantial, something logically or empirically verifiable - it becomes so manipulative. Straight out of some modern "studies": "I have no arguments but you can't criticize me cause of my emotions". So cute. Until it hurts people, of course. And often it does...

I was using it in a way to basically say im done with this conversation cause I didn't want to keep talking about the topic , since I just have a different view point and don't see myself agreeing with you but I was a dumbass and kept it going when you replied back

 

[Dessolos]

Stop trolling dev when does kenji turn ava into a fleshlight

Kuviragames I got this bonk

 

[mommysboiii]

Kuviragames I got this bonk

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Nahhhhhh bruhhh kenjiii or how he is called telling mc that he is turning mc gf into a slut was the hottest scene in this update.....

 

[Jacowboy]

PS. I think we are getting too deep into psychology here.

ohhhhohoho... no my dude, trust me, you're as far away from psychology as you could possibly be... don't quit your day job (unless you're pretending to be a psychologist of course)

 

[LionBear]

Thanks for sharing this.

 

[Filipis]

Found the post

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Damn, have fun fellas, this one ain’t for me then

 

[Pr0GamerJohnny]

The reason why you can't say "everything will be okay" is simple. People, especially women are not rational, they are emotional. So telling her "cheating is wrong" is just useless - she knew it full well already. But still she decided to go with her friends to fuck around, lying to her partner.

So you have to appeal to emotions. If you want to tell her emotions that you are not happy with her decision you should show it emotionally. You should punish her. Hurt her, intentionally. You should be angry at her. Not mad-angry, she have to feel that you are still love her deeply and angry at her exactly BECAUSE you love her. That way you'll create a emotional pull in the right ditection backed by your emotional significance for her.

But if you say "everything will be okay" emotional pull would not be there. Or you can even create a pull in the wrong direction - she would cheat expecting your support afterwards.

PS. I think we are getting too deep into psychology here. The matter is complex, and any RL case should be analyzed individually. In this case we should get to the source of her compulsion to cheat. It could be rooted in inadequate relationship. But in any case cheating is a pathological behavioral pattern and should be addressed. And failure of MC in doing so just rubbed me wrong.

sum elliot rodger energy right here

Nahhhhhh bruhhh kenjiii or how he is called telling mc that he is turning mc gf into a slut was the hottest scene in this update.....

While i dont disagree with the end goal, I'm guessing our desired methods of getting there would be different

It is coming soon

Though only on the non-ava relationship path I assume?

 

[Kuviragames]

Yeah, just checked the code. If you are not on ava love path, you don't get the choice to start something with Zuni or not. Game just auto-hard-locks you onto her path. Guess that's it for my Zoe run.

Yes, I am sorry about that. There is no only Zoe run. Even on Zuni's path you can't play the full Zoe path. You just should get a bit more scenes with her but the intimates scenes should only appear on Avas route.

I messed up with the code specially not thinking about that some of you guys would like to play an only Zoe path. Sorry for that.

 

[Jah-Ith-Ber]

People here give MC too much shit for his looks like we all didn't look a little awkward and boyish at 18 - like come on this isn't a 90s rom com where all the actors are played by 30 year olds the characters actually look their age which is guess is jarring for some people lol

What people say about the mom's path it's unique IIRC the author has said for the mothers path if you don't choose to follow her story the cheating doesn't happen period it's not just that MC is oblivious to it (where as with the other characters like Ava's mom and the sister they're doing what they're doing it's just a choice to see it or not I believe).

I am curious to see how this story goes knowing Ava will only cheat once with one guy - how will it happen? I can't really see her being seduced Ava seems to really love the MC and be really into him physically (and she sure shut Kenji down hard). It won't be about anything the MC lacks - I can only really imagine she does it specifically to hurt the MC or prove a point about his cheating/behavior etc (in fact i could imagine she doesn't even like the cheating sex and it's just something she's doing cause she's hurting and lashing out etc).

Anyways love the story it's 100% that rare flavor of an NTR game for people who don't like cucking/bbc (or even actually like NTR just the vague threat of it as a consequence for your own crappy choices haha)