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I see what you mean, she does feel like a try hard sometimes.
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A tryhard with everyone but the MC, that's probably the whole crux for me.

I find both sisters very cute, same as most LIs (and also some dudes lol) in this AVN, so is not a matter of how much (or not) I like their physical aspect, or general characters.

I would feel different if I had the MC fuck around with others, or if I had picked choices that lean into the NTR/S side, when doing that it bothers me way less, but at the same time it sort of cheapens the feeling?
Like:
"Oh well she's eventually going to have sex with Y, scissor with Y, cool".

I don't know, maybe is exactly as Kuviragames wanted for it to be, or maybe is just how only I pesonally see it, but yes Zoe is way cuter and if I have to be honest, my fav (if you don't count their mom.... she's straight up sex lol). :p
 

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Let's face it - absolutely all the models are prettier than Ava, even Lisa. MC, of course, can hardly be called handsome either; he's very effeminate, but that's not the point.
If we're talking purely from an aesthetic standpoint, Ava is definitely ugly, unlike her mother, who is far more attractive than her daughter, and, to my great regret, she can't be MC's LI.

PS Please don't throw stones - these are just my thoughts, and I completely understand that tastes differ.

PS I'd like to know if it's true that only Ava, her sister, and Lisa can be possible LIs for Mc.


PS This is for thought, who is prettier?
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Let's face it - absolutely all the models are prettier than Ava, even Lisa. MC, of course, can hardly be called handsome either; he's very effeminate, but that's not the point.
If we're talking purely from an aesthetic standpoint, Ava is definitely ugly, unlike her mother, who is far more attractive than her daughter, and, to my great regret, she can't be MC's LI.
PS I'd like to know if it's true that only Ava, her sister, and Lisa can be possible LIs for Mc.


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I know what you mean. From the beginning, something on the face composition of Ava did not make her attractive and I think I finally figured it out. For me it is her nose. The nose bridge is too wide for the rest of her other face features & composition. You can see it clearly in e.g. this photo
 
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Let's face it - absolutely all the models are prettier than Ava, even Lisa. MC, of course, can hardly be called handsome either; he's very effeminate, but that's not the point.
If we're talking purely from an aesthetic standpoint, Ava is definitely ugly, unlike her mother, who is far more attractive than her daughter, and, to my great regret, she can't be MC's LI.

PS Please don't throw stones - these are just my thoughts, and I completely understand that tastes differ.

PS I'd like to know if it's true that only Ava, her sister, and Lisa can be possible LIs for Mc.


PS This is for thought, who is prettier?
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see the only reason I hard disagree with you not because you think someone is hotter that is whatever. But the fact you think Ava is ugly as I think most of the girls looks more less equal in terms of how pretty they are . I don't know how you can say she is ugly and not Zoe , Jenny , Lisa , Mila etc they aren't that far apart in terms of looks imo that is why you get this meme again

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Now if I would rank looks.

  1. Zunera
  2. Jenny
  3. Zoe
  4. Ava
  5. MC's Mother
  6. Linda
  7. Mila
  8. Lisa
tbh Zuni is the only 1 that is alot prettier than the rest in my eyes the others are very close to each other in looks
 

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see the only reason I hard disagree with you not because you think someone is hotter that is whatever. But the fact you think Ava is ugly as I think most of the girls looks more less equal in terms of how pretty they are . I don't know how you can say she is ugly and not Zoe , Jenny , Lisa , Mila etc they aren't that far apart in terms of looks imo that is why you get this meme again

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Now if I would rank looks.

  1. Zunera
  2. Jenny
  3. Zoe
  4. Ava
  5. MC's Mother
  6. Linda
  7. Mila
  8. Lisa
tbh Zuni is the only 1 that is alot prettier than the rest in my eyes the others are very close to each other in looks
Mila is way too low on that list for my liking, I think she is very pretty
 

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May be me...and most know my thoughts...but what are all these other routes people keep going on about? There's Ava, Ava/Zoe....Zoe solo? and Zuni. There are...no other routes. Kuvi already stated this is not a pick your LI game. It's basically Ava and Zo or Zuni. None of the other girls are LI's....

It's at it's core, a very basic slice of life romance with best friend or not...which you may as well, because even not on her route, she annoyingly acts like you are anyway with no damn boundaries. That's not a criticism...but there really isn't that much depth or variety to it and if not interested in Ava as a romance, there really isn't much else here.
 
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May be me...and most know my thoughts...but what are all these other routes people keep going on about? There's Ava, Ava/Zoe....Zoe solo? and Zuni. There are...no other routes. Kuvi already stated this is not a pick your LI game. It's basically Ava and Zo or Zuni. None of the other girls are LI's....

It's at it's core, a very basic slice of life romance with best friend or not...which you may as well, because even not on her route, she annoyingly acts like you are anyway with no damn boundaries. That's not a criticism...but there really isn't that much depth or variety to it and if not interested in Ava as a romance, there really isn;t much else here.
Specifically, I don't even care what other routes there are, because the Ava/Zoe romance is perfect for me... Maybe I'll check out the other girls someday...
 

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see the only reason I hard disagree with you not because you think someone is hotter that is whatever. But the fact you think Ava is ugly as I think most of the girls looks more less equal in terms of how pretty they are . I don't know how you can say she is ugly and not Zoe , Jenny , Lisa , Mila etc they aren't that far apart in terms of looks imo that is why you get this meme again

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Now if I would rank looks.

  1. Zunera
  2. Jenny
  3. Zoe
  4. Ava
  5. MC's Mother
  6. Linda
  7. Mila
  8. Lisa
tbh Zuni is the only 1 that is alot prettier than the rest in my eyes the others are very close to each other in looks
I swear I didn't lose my bong.

By the way, this VN is in my "best of" folder, but that doesn't change the fact that if I were MC, I'd choose Ava last as a LI. Let things stay the same; a good friend is better than an 'ugly' girlfriend.

My list is simple
- Aesthetics:
Zuni
Linda
Mila

-Character:
Mila
Linda
Zuni
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Lisa
 
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May be me...and most know my thoughts...but what are all these other routes people keep going on about? There's Ava, Ava/Zoe....Zoe solo? and Zuni. There are...no other routes. Kuvi already stated this is not a pick your LI game. It's basically Ava and Zo or Zuni. None of the other girls are LI's....

It's at it's core, a very basic slice of life romance with best friend or not...which you may as well, because even not on her route, she annoyingly acts like you are anyway with no damn boundaries. That's not a criticism...but there really isn't that much depth or variety to it and if not interested in Ava as a romance, there really isn't much else here.
Yea there's two basic paths with the choice to play around or ignore some of the LIs. Not sure you can do Zoe solo since you seemingly have to accept AVA as your girlfriend.
 

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Specifically, I don't even care what other routes there are, because the Ava/Zoe romance is perfect for me... Maybe I'll check out the other girls someday...


Yea there's two basic paths with the choice to play around or ignore some of the LIs. Not sure you can do Zoe solo since you seemingly have to accept AVA as your girlfriend.
It's not possible. The story is in all directions about MC and Ava and/or all the consequences or whatever. :giggle:
 
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It's not possible. The story is in all directions about MC and Ava and/or all the consequences or whatever. :giggle:
Am I right in understanding that we have no choice and in the end we'll still have to deal with Ava/Zoe, and all the forks are just an illusion of choice? :mad:
 

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Am I right in understanding that we have no choice and in the end we'll still have to deal with Ava/Zoe, and all the forks are just an illusion of choice? :mad:
More or less. Somewhere in the past 128 pages I somewhere wrote that I will probably depending on a few points create Lovephobia 2. Some people were not happy about that but LP2 will start with only one beginning. I also plan again it depends on a few things to create some spin offs. So there is a fixed timeline for that "universe" and that means also that there is a "canon" way.
However if you look only at LP1 we are right now at the point were things drastically change. But the story now is not "put Ava away to the side and look for another girl".
The story is MC is getting back to his best friend after a year, becoming a couple etc.
The "Zuni" way is what will happen if MC is not in love with Ava. He still loves her as his best friend but not like Ava loves him.
Ava and her feelings will not just vanish. MC and the others will not act like Ava never existed. :giggle:
 

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More or less. Somewhere in the past 128 pages I somewhere wrote that I will probably depending on a few points create Lovephobia 2. Some people were not happy about that but LP2 will start with only one beginning. I also plan again it depends on a few things to create some spin offs. So there is a fixed timeline for that "universe" and that means also that there is a "canon" way.
However if you look only at LP1 we are right now at the point were things drastically change. But the story now is not "put Ava away to the side and look for another girl".
The story is MC is getting back to his best friend after a year, becoming a couple etc.
The "Zuni" way is what will happen if MC is not in love with Ava. He still loves her as his best friend but not like Ava loves him.
Ava and her feelings will not just vanish. MC and the others will not act like Ava never existed. :giggle:
An extremely vague answer, but I accept it.
By the way, I like the story and would like to see Ava as a friend, which is exactly what she was for the MC.
But what's really disturbing is when you're first shown a tasty morsel and then hidden, forced into a narrow framework without the ability to influence the MC's fate.
 

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An extremely vague answer, but I accept it.
By the way, I like the story and would like to see Ava as a friend, which is exactly what she was for the MC.
But what's really disturbing is when you're first shown a tasty morsel and then hidden, forced into a narrow framework without the ability to influence the MC's fate.
Sorry it's not my intention to be vague I just don't want to spoiler things.
 
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You should try her path, she is...interesting and very curious.
I'm not very far in the game but I definitly want to listen more from Zunera while strangling her brother in a triangle hold.

The sign of a good dialogue is when you want to choke a character till they turn blue and reflect on their behavior.
Kudos to Kuvira
 

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I'm not very far in the game but I definitly want to listen more from Zunera while strangling her brother in a triangle hold.

The sign of a good dialogue is when you want to choke a character till they turn blue and reflect on their behavior.
Kudos to Kuvira
 
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We don't really celebrate Halloween here. It's more another reason to go out and get drunk.
But I know that there are a lot of places where Halloween is a huge thing and I am a bit jealous.

Like a lot of other dev's I took the opportunity to create a special Halloween Image.

Ava and Zoe together with their new pet.

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And quick update whats left for the next update.
The scene I am working on right now is 99% done. Only one more scene left. And that scene is not that long. It's just MC arriving at home having some inner thoughts.

And then a few days for translation, proof reading and so on.
The coming update is day 18 which is Friday inside Lovephobia. And on Day 21 the endgame starts. Those are the planned endings:

Ava relationship route = 3 endings
Ava no relationship route = 1 ending
??? route (able to enter on day 17).. is that even a word?) = 1 ending

That's all not 100% set in stone but I don't think that it will change. I think there will be around 4-7 more updates until the game is done.

I hope you like the next update and the Halloween Images.

I wish you a wonderful Halloween and a scary but lovely time.

I love you guys.

-Kuvira
 
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