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Ser...not 'Sir' is a universal term to descibe the title...not the gender. It's perfectly fine and acceptable. Modern noble titles are also irelevent...we have gone back to the dark ages in effect making the actual term used, 'Ser', .not 'Sir', even more relevent given in the dark ages (and as potrayed here), women were rarely eever given titles nor land.
Except in the game it says "Sir" which is the problem. I can't help but cringe every time I see that.
Traditionally 'sir' not 'ser' was used for knights, though some people say that 'ser' is the archaic form of sir...anyway, I think that George R.R Martin started using 'ser' in game of thrones for knights, but using 'sir' for Luna who is a 'Knight Protector' is correct.
 
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As you probably know, the canon for the previous game, LFFG was the BadAss Bitch route (dominant Luna and the ending, in which among the three Divine entities (three sister Goddesses) our Luna chose to merge with the Goddess Raven. (Dark Queen)

Here, however, when choosing the key decision of how Luna will develop further, we are offered a choice - either some obscure "Forgiving Mother" or the uncompromising and dominant Dark Queen/Goddess Raven. I don't know what happens if you choose the Forgiving mother (and I'm unlikely to follow it), but part of me wonders what the developer's solution to this situation will be.

But my guess is that full power such a "forgiving mother" might not get, simply because her Domains (as our second self says in that ritual scene) are "fertility, rebirth, forgivness and submission" and I doubt that submission and forgiveness will help gain power in this world. While the Dark Queen's domains (and that's just the ones mentioned in this scene, there are more "peaceful" ones mentioned in earlier versions if I'm not mistaken) are "War, Death, Dominance, and Vengeance".


But for the sake of interest, I now looked at what awaits that Luna who chose to be a "Forgiving Mother"...Well I can say that it doesn't look like much of a victory...All Luna has gained here is the unbridled lust that was triggered during this scene and no particular.

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It is true that the "canon" for the previous one was the goddess , however, it was not the "I burn and kill indiscriminately" one, that would fit well with ""War, Death, Dominance, and Vengeance"" and bloodthirst and power hunger and it was not necessarily the pure badass bitch as you suggest either.

One could have done choices and situations where she was not dominant, and have more submissive than dominant points, and by having enough dominant and having done the right choices at ther right moment, still get to the be the raven canon ending , and even getting the full explanation of the three sisters story .
I am 100% sure, because I did it in my playthrough, and effectively, I tried more than one to see different endings.

I have not tried the "War, Death, Dominance, and Vengeance" path in this game, so I may still be wrong, but honestly, I think it is the easiest and the most "caricatural" path.
With "caricatural" I mean it is like those movies with "evil mastermind genius that want to conquer the universe" of so many Hollywood movies, the "evil vs good", were Luna has less depth as character (though that is of course my opinion, from which you and anybody else are free to dissent).
"Easiest", because she does not have bombs, but is like saying "they do what I want, or I bomb them" and she can always use violence or her goddess power, honestly, more than a goddess , sounds like a spoilt brat, and effectively, we will see if the dev gives more details about what exactly happened later, but it seems clearly from the premise of the game that she did not do such a great job as Raven in managing the World :-D .
Effectively, someone that goes too much too often on a rampage and in that kind of "I get every whim of mine" will end up having a shaky base of followers that will abandon her at the first opportunity, and a goddess without followers, is not much of a goddess...
As her second personality says at a certain point even if she has beating the mercenaries captain to get them to go there, to keep them in line she can put them down or give them some benefits/perks, but ideally both, the same goes with the followers, if she can do only war, fear, destruction , in the long term she will be alone, a queen of ruins and corpses.

Notice I do find myself entertaining the movies I was referring to (well, depending on the movie), and of course I do not expect a porn game to be realistic - but definitively the other path is more difficult to navigate, but even for that more interesting, at least for me.
"For me" - it goes by personal taste, and indeed, it is perfectly possible and legitimate for a dev to make a game that satisfies only a very precise "kink" or target public, but it is a good "commercial" move for a dev to be able to satisfy to some extent different kinks and attract people with different interests, and I think Frozen Synapses is also working in that direction.

I do agree that for sure that not having awakened immediately the full goddess powers make things more complicated.
However, I suggest you try again the other path, because it is not true that the only possibiltiy left in the other path, the "motherly" one is to get prey to, and develop, her lust and basically only open her legs and be pushed around all the time.
Although I am not using all of them myself till now, there are plenty of situations where she can get dominant points, she can end up having more dominant than submissive points, establish a number of relations where she is clearly dominant as "kink" but not only e.g. Jahira, Diatima, Amabel, the count's son , which is hardly a submissive attitude and effectively can open scenarios that are definitively not of sweet submissive Luna.

E.g. if the Luna choses to have the brothel in, the maitresse of the brothel could make an offer to Luna and she could do stuff there, but she could also have Jirvah go there to spy while doing other stuff ;-) taking one (or an entire gangbang :p :)) for the cause using (and increaseing) her dominance, since everybody knows men talk too frely in certain situations ;-) and the brothel wil attract people from afar; depending on the choices, Luna has already pushed Diatima in an uncomfortable situations because needed information, so she may push her for the common good other times.
Also, if if one does the right choices she can get in a situation where even if she had not been dominant towards the baron, not become his partner and not put hastings instead, having the mercenaries soldiers; the tribe that will come; the princess on her side; getting the resources from the brothel plus her followers from the land of the count (merchants, but with money, which means they can pay and get mercenaries); plus the count loan and support also to reinforce her castle and her more faithful guard; the Count's son to have around adoring her she can actually find herself in a situation where she in a condition of rebuffing or reverse the cards on (if she was not already dominant or did not have the baron disappear already) the baron and possibly even the king (even more if at a certain point she could turn the around/exploit the potential marriage and somehow take over the count land).

Managing all that (without forgetting the money, if the dev remembers to take make all the expenses effective) and other resources, is anyway something where she will need to take (she did already) decisions that are not so "motherly submissive".
And for now, aside one or two bugs, it seem Frozen Synapses has managed to integrate well the rest of the story with that management part, in a way that does not require extra effort.

You should not forget one thing, linked to the "mother" .

Contrary to what some people say, e.g. bears and wild boars tend to avoid humans, however, "moms" are a different matter - they will attack and fight literally to the death (their or yours) if there are little ones and perceive you as a potential threat.
A mother can be very meek with her children, yet when doing what she feel necessary to protect her children (or in this case "her children") can be almost or totally ruthless.

Also, on the reverse side, humans going at least back to Hobbes (well, it was a philosopher, not a naturalist, but in those times "philosopher" was still used a bit as "knows everything", they did not yet separate disciplines like us) got the idea that being "alpha" means being aggressive and even looking primarily at ones self-interest, referring to the "wolves alpha male".
In reality, alpha males in wolf packs are in command but because they take care of the group, make sure the older and sick are not abandoned by the pack and are protected by the stong ones, and alpha males have been seen playing with the little ones "playing dead" and letting them win.
Which means, again, if she is too bent purely on war, destruction, dominance and revenge she will be very "alpha" by human thinking, but does not mean she will be able to reinforce and expand in a solid long-lasting way (the short term, can work fine) her church , and that is what she needs as a goddess
 

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In medieval literature, Mordred is the paragon of a disloyal knight (some would say a demon). It's something like a non light trying to pretend it's a light.
Well, in the King Arthur as expanded by the English Mordred was son of King Arthur who went to kill and try replacing his father (funny story, King Arthur is kind of the legend glory of England, but in reality, a bunch of characters incorporated in the Arthurian lore were first mentioned and probably created by Chrétien de Troyes, French who wrote in French :))
 
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It is true that the "canon" for the previous one was the goddess , however, it was not the "I burn and kill indiscriminately" one, that would fit well with ""War, Death, Dominance, and Vengeance"" and bloodthirst and power hunger and it was not necessarily the pure badass bitch as you suggest either.

One could have done choices and situations where she was not dominant, and have more submissive than dominant points, and by having enough dominant and having done the right choices at ther right moment, still get to the be the raven canon ending , and even getting the full explanation of the three sisters story .
I am 100% sure, because I did it in my playthrough, and effectively, I tried more than one to see different endings.

I have not tried the "War, Death, Dominance, and Vengeance" path in this game, so I may still be wrong, but honestly, I think it is the easiest and the most "caricatural" path.
With "caricatural" I mean it is like those movies with "evil mastermind genius that want to conquer the universe" of so many Hollywood movies, the "evil vs good", were Luna has less depth as character (though that is of course my opinion, from which you and anybody else are free to dissent).
"Easiest", because she does not have bombs, but is like saying "they do what I want, or I bomb them" and she can always use violence or her goddess power, honestly, more than a goddess , sounds like a spoilt brat, and effectively, we will see if the dev gives more details about what exactly happened later, but it seems clearly from the premise of the game that she did not do such a great job as Raven in managing the World :-D .
Effectively, someone that goes too much too often on a rampage and in that kind of "I get every whim of mine" will end up having a shaky base of followers that will abandon her at the first opportunity, and a goddess without followers, is not much of a goddess...
As her second personality says at a certain point even if she has beating the mercenaries captain to get them to go there, to keep them in line she can put them down or give them some benefits/perks, but ideally both, the same goes with the followers, if she can do only war, fear, destruction , in the long term she will be alone, a queen of ruins and corpses.

Notice I do find myself entertaining the movies I was referring to (well, depending on the movie), and of course I do not expect a porn game to be realistic - but definitively the other path is more difficult to navigate, but even for that more interesting, at least for me.
"For me" - it goes by personal taste, and indeed, it is perfectly possible and legitimate for a dev to make a game that satisfies only a very precise "kink" or target public, but it is a good "commercial" move for a dev to be able to satisfy to some extent different kinks and attract people with different interests, and I think Frozen Synapses is also working in that direction.

I do agree that for sure that not having awakened immediately the full goddess powers make things more complicated.
However, I suggest you try again the other path, because it is not true that the only possibiltiy left in the other path, the "motherly" one is to get prey to, and develop, her lust and basically only open her legs and be pushed around all the time.
Although I am not using all of them myself till now, there are plenty of situations where she can get dominant points, she can end up having more dominant than submissive points, establish a number of relations where she is clearly dominant as "kink" but not only e.g. Jahira, Diatima, Amabel, the count's son , which is hardly a submissive attitude and effectively can open scenarios that are definitively not of sweet submissive Luna.

E.g. if the Luna choses to have the brothel in, the maitresse of the brothel could make an offer to Luna and she could do stuff there, but she could also have Jirvah go there to spy while doing other stuff ;-) taking one (or an entire gangbang :p :)) for the cause using (and increaseing) her dominance, since everybody knows men talk too frely in certain situations ;-) and the brothel wil attract people from afar; depending on the choices, Luna has already pushed Diatima in an uncomfortable situations because needed information, so she may push her for the common good other times.
Also, if if one does the right choices she can get in a situation where even if she had not been dominant towards the baron, not become his partner and not put hastings instead, having the mercenaries soldiers; the tribe that will come; the princess on her side; getting the resources from the brothel plus her followers from the land of the count (merchants, but with money, which means they can pay and get mercenaries); plus the count loan and support also to reinforce her castle and her more faithful guard; the Count's son to have around adoring her she can actually find herself in a situation where she in a condition of rebuffing or reverse the cards on (if she was not already dominant or did not have the baron disappear already) the baron and possibly even the king (even more if at a certain point she could turn the around/exploit the potential marriage and somehow take over the count land).

Managing all that (without forgetting the money, if the dev remembers to take make all the expenses effective) and other resources, is anyway something where she will need to take (she did already) decisions that are not so "motherly submissive".
And for now, aside one or two bugs, it seem Frozen Synapses has managed to integrate well the rest of the story with that management part, in a way that does not require extra effort.

You should not forget one thing, linked to the "mother" .

Contrary to what some people say, e.g. bears and wild boars tend to avoid humans, however, "moms" are a different matter - they will attack and fight literally to the death (their or yours) if there are little ones and perceive you as a potential threat.
A mother can be very meek with her children, yet when doing what she feel necessary to protect her children (or in this case "her children") can be almost or totally ruthless.

Also, on the reverse side, humans going at least back to Hobbes (well, it was a philosopher, not a naturalist, but in those times "philosopher" was still used a bit as "knows everything", they did not yet separate disciplines like us) got the idea that being "alpha" means being aggressive and even looking primarily at ones self-interest, referring to the "wolves alpha male".
In reality, alpha males in wolf packs are in command but because they take care of the group, make sure the older and sick are not abandoned by the pack and are protected by the stong ones, and alpha males have been seen playing with the little ones "playing dead" and letting them win.
Which means, again, if she is too bent purely on war, destruction, dominance and revenge she will be very "alpha" by human thinking, but does not mean she will be able to reinforce and expand in a solid long-lasting way (the short term, can work fine) her church , and that is what she needs as a goddess
Before I read this and possibly respond, I would like to say that, according to the unwritten rules of polite communication on forums, it would be reasonable to show some respect for those players who are not ready to read the huge walls of text such as these. Imo, it is better to place such large amounts of information under a spoiler.
 

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It is true that the "canon" for the previous one was the goddess, however, it was not the "I burn and kill indiscriminately" one, that would fit well with ""War, Death, Dominance, and Vengeance"" and bloodthirst and power hunger and it was not necessarily the pure badass bitch as you suggest either.
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Well, in the King Arthur as expanded by the English Mordred was son of King Arthur who went to kill adn try replacing his father (funny story, King Arthur is kind of the legend glory of England, but in reality, a bunch of characters incorporated in the Arthurian lore were first mentioned and probably created by Chrétien de Troyes, French who wrote in French :))
Though I'm French I had a really hard time to understand Chrétien's French when I was a student :) I have too little expertise to say if Chrétien invented many things or not. But he didn't invent Meddrawd (spelt Medrawt in middle Welsh) nor his felony, there are Welsh sources.
 

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Before I read this and possibly respond, I would like to say that, according to the unwritten rules of polite communication on forums, it would be reasonable to show some respect for those players who are not ready to read the huge walls of text such as these. Imo, it is better to place such large amounts of information under a spoiler.
To quote a typically USA phrase, I am afraid we will have to agree to disagree :) on this, specifically, on the abuse of the word "respect" and the expression "show some respect" you made.
I don't know which country you are from, but you are basically insulting me by launching false accusations about lack of respect, I would suggest you review your good manners rules before you ever take that kind of tone and use that kind of phrase again.

A forum of this type of is not a direct PM message, people are not obliged to read the post, if they do, is their choice (actually, even for PM, there is no obligation to read them) - there are plenty of threads with long messages (or even shorter ones) and people including myself just skip some.
Internet fora are (even legally, even if one has e.g. "friends only" settings on Facebok) considered as a big public square, I doubt many people will follow all the conversation going in a public square.

Same way in which I chose to read message you posted to me, that was probably even longer than my reply.

Same way in which I decided that your post was interesting and worth the time and energy of a reply to exchange different points of views and opinions.

Same way in which at this point given the approach I am honestly not interested anymore in continuing the conversation.

Have a nice Sunday
 

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This popped up on my latest, so I'mma jump in with my standard question: is there a lesbian only route?
Not exactly what I'd describe as “reserved” to the lesbian scenes, but know Skybreaker1337, that the closest you can come to it is undoubtedly to follow the path of the dominant Luna (named in the game: the Dark Queen).

Anyway, for those who might be interested, I post the new change log here:

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