Ren'Py Lust Academy [S4 v4.7.1d] [Bear in the Night]

[rainwake]

1. That is likely due to Dev scrambling to "fix" her character and in order for him to "fix" it he will need to spend more time on her, which sucks for people that have just given up on her i guess.
2. I mean it's certainly rushed but you can't say that she got no development, we got small dialogue lines that explain her behavior, like saying it's impossible for others to understand what it's like living in complete secret, her being an actual demon, i am sorry but she was bound to be kind of a bitch and her living in perpetual frustration from never being satisfied "sexually" which is a big deal for a literal sex demon. I mean i can see a lot of problems and flaws, this is a porn game after all but i don't see anything big enough to write her off completely. The only real thing that ever annoyed me about her that i think Dev went overboard is when she called the MC impotent after having sex the first time, she tried to emasculate him really hard there, but meh it didn't trigger me enough to just say fuck it.

The fact that she is a succubus in hiding means she can't afford to be too picky. Imagine if you were starving, but then someone offered you food. Would you turn it away just because it's not your favorite or if it's not as much as you'd like? Being frustrated is no excuse to turn down a friendly offer.

When I said "no development", I explained what I meant. There's no meaningful development of her character that would cause the players to begin to change their mind about her.

...you can continue to bitch about something you can't change...

I'm merely replying to your question: " Where do you get the big percentage of people that despise her from?". Clearly her character is hated by a lot of people OR do you not see that? If you don't think that's a problem, that's your opinion, but I think it would be stupid for the developer to ignore reality and not try to understand why people dislike Audrey. That's the point of constructive criticism

Anyway i think people are gonna need to stop whining about things that the Dev simply can't change, i see some people bringing up dumb ideas like going back and re-working her scenes completely lol, thats never gonna happen, so you are either gonna have to learn to live with the character as in give Dev the time to develop her more, show her being nicer, show her being helpful to MC, etc...(because like it or not she aint going anywhere), or you can continue to bitch about something you can't change. I guess the best thing you can hope for is for updates that feature her also heavily feature another character, full on sex scenes and stuff like that so it can balance out the update for you.

It's not a rework that she needs, I made it VERY clear that she just needs better character development and even explained the type of development she would need for a redemption arc. If the developer was serious, he/she should learn how to write a redemption story before introducing a character that badly needs one. If the dev needed more time, they could have developed other character's plotlines before proceeding with Audrey's stuff. There's really no excuse

Redemption arcs are always risky, there's always the chance that viewers don't really forgive a character because "they've gone too far". The writer really has to know what they are doing to pull off a good redemption arc.

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[Nonsense Rules]

The fact that she is a succubus in hiding means she can't afford to be too picky. Imagine if you were starving, but then someone offered you food. Would you turn it away just because it's not your favorite or if it's not as much as you'd like? Being frustrated is no excuse to turn down a friendly offer.

When I said "no development", I explained what I meant. There's no meaningful development of her character that would cause the players to begin to change their mind about her.



I'm merely replying to your question: " Where do you get the big percentage of people that despise her from?". Clearly her character is hated by a lot of people OR do you not see that? If you don't think that's a problem, that's your opinion, but I think it would be stupid for the developer to ignore reality and not try to understand why people dislike Audrey. That's the point of constructive criticism



It's not a rework that she needs, I made it VERY clear that she just needs better character development and even explained the type of development she would need for a redemption arc. If the developer was serious, he/she should learn how to write a redemption story before introducing a character that badly needs one. If the dev needed more time, they could have developed other character's plotlines before proceeding with Audrey's stuff. There's really no excuse

Redemption arcs are always risky, there's always the chance that viewers don't really forgive a character because "they've gone too far". The writer really has to know what they are doing to pull off a good redemption arc.

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I agree with you except part you think it can be saved by redemption. She needs remake and me and a lot of people not gonna start liking her after what she done. Its not gonna change the fact she literaly acted MC like human waste (and in my game its happened two times! After first sex scene there sex scene again with same dialogues and same animations etc) and how pathetich feeling its gives. If DEV not gonna make remake he should add option to avoid her completely which it could be far harder than remake her content because this means DEV need to work on Samantha or add content how we can avoid her completely with saving samantha etc... Currently things are in mess and easy and best fix is remaking her story or at least adding this pathetic scenes as a optional path and adding new path without those scenes.

 

[Dragn]

I have one issue, for the peeping scenes I only got one to work for Lily and every since then all I get is "Enough for Today" button.

 

[rainwake]

I agree with you except part you think it can be saved by redemption. She needs remake and me and a lot of people not gonna start liking her after what she done. Its not gonna change the fact she literaly acted MC like human waste (and in my game its happened two times! After first sex scene there sex scene again with same dialogues and same animations etc) and how pathetich feeling its gives. If DEV not gonna make remake he should add option to avoid her completely which it could be far harder than remake her content because this means DEV need to work on Samantha or add content how we can avoid her completely with saving samantha etc... Currently things are in mess and easy and best fix is remaking her story or at least adding this pathetic scenes as a optional path and adding new path without those scenes.

Yeah, I know where you're coming from. To you Audrey has crossed the point of no return. That's why it's tricky writing redemption arcs. I think with Audrey maybe it's doable, but it's going take some serious effort
Personally for me Snape was in the same boat, never did forgive the guy for treating Harry like sub-human trash, even if James wasn't too kind to Snape

 

[netherwarrior256]

The fact that she is a succubus in hiding means she can't afford to be too picky. Imagine if you were starving, but then someone offered you food. Would you turn it away just because it's not your favorite or if it's not as much as you'd like? Being frustrated is no excuse to turn down a friendly offer.

When I said "no development", I explained what I meant. There's no meaningful development of her character that would cause the players to begin to change their mind about her.



I'm merely replying to your question: " Where do you get the big percentage of people that despise her from?". Clearly her character is hated by a lot of people OR do you not see that? If you don't think that's a problem, that's your opinion, but I think it would be stupid for the developer to ignore reality and not try to understand why people dislike Audrey. That's the point of constructive criticism



It's not a rework that she needs, I made it VERY clear that she just needs better character development and even explained the type of development she would need for a redemption arc. If the developer was serious, he/she should learn how to write a redemption story before introducing a character that badly needs one. If the dev needed more time, they could have developed other character's plotlines before proceeding with Audrey's stuff. There's really no excuse

Redemption arcs are always risky, there's always the chance that viewers don't really forgive a character because "they've gone too far". The writer really has to know what they are doing to pull off a good redemption arc.

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I think you are being extremely unfair here, and perhaps rather more demanding than warranted. It's a porn game set in a parody fantasy universe, not a novel or piece of theatre. So, you don't like Audrey, and some people agree with you. Newsflash, not everyone you will encounter in life is going to be nice 100% of the time, and her supposed "crimes" are hardly unforgivable. You're acting like she murdered some babies when all she did was act a bit bitchy, get over it. Also, I'm not sure if you know this, but not every character is made for you, and you don't even have to play her route if you don't want to. Constructive criticism is all well and good but please be reasonable - stating "there is no excuse" and accusing the dev of botched work just because a single character in a free porn game isn't to your taste or standards is extremely unfair and rather mean actually.

 

[NeroZee]

The fact that she is a succubus in hiding means she can't afford to be too picky. Imagine if you were starving, but then someone offered you food. Would you turn it away just because it's not your favorite or if it's not as much as you'd like? Being frustrated is no excuse to turn down a friendly offer.

You actually HAVE TO be picky, being a succubus in hiding you can't just reveal that to anyone. Secondly her problem is not that she is too picky it's that no one can really satisfy her, all she gets are "snacks" not a full meal that's the problem. Every time she "eats" she is still hungry.

When I said "no development", I explained what I meant. There's no meaningful development of her character that would cause the players to begin to change their mind about her.

So if that meaningful development comes later down the line in future updates, than i assume you are gonna be satisfied?

I'm merely replying to your question: " Where do you get the big percentage of people that despise her from?". Clearly her character is hated by a lot of people OR do you not see that? If you don't think that's a problem, that's your opinion, but I think it would be stupid for the developer to ignore reality and not try to understand why people dislike Audrey. That's the point of constructive criticism[/QUOTE]

All i see is a handful of the same individuals(fuck it, lets bump it to a dozen individuals for argument sake) going back and forth on her. I dunno how many people pirate the game but the developer has almost 1400 people that pay him to play it, so i ask again where do you get the big percentage of people that despise her from?

It's not a rework that she needs, I made it VERY clear that she just needs better character development and even explained the type of development she would need for a redemption arc. If the developer was serious, he/she should learn how to write a redemption story before introducing a character that badly needs one. If the dev needed more time, they could have developed other character's plotlines before proceeding with Audrey's stuff. There's really no excuse

You weren't asking for the rework, another user stupidly did so dont worry i wasn't referring to you there. But yea in order for her to get more character development we also need to get to see more of her, which is gonna suck for people that dont wanna see more of her but tough luck, there is no other way to fix her character. The only other thing the dev can do is to abandon her and thats obviously off the table. Also considering she is the most controversial now, we are gonna need to develop her sooner rather than later, instead of focusing on other characters.

Redemption arcs are always risky, there's always the chance that viewers don't really forgive a character because "they've gone too far". The writer really has to know what they are doing to pull off a good redemption arc.

Honestly this is all childish to me... people are acting like she murdered MC's whole family... She was mean to him... it sucks, but get over it people lol.

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And all of that needed time to achieve it, so if this ends up achieving it or not, only time will tell.

 

[rainwake]

I think you are being extremely unfair here, and perhaps rather more demanding than warranted. It's a porn game set in a parody fantasy universe, not a novel or piece of theatre. So, you don't like Audrey, and some people agree with you. Newsflash, not everyone you will encounter in life is going to be nice 100% of the time, and her supposed "crimes" are hardly unforgivable. You're acting like she murdered some babies when all she did was act a bit bitchy, get over it. Also, I'm not sure if you know this, but not every character is made for you, and you don't even have to play her route if you don't want to. Constructive criticism is all well and good but please be reasonable - stating "there is no excuse" and accusing the dev of botched work just because a single character in a free porn game isn't to your taste or standards is extremely unfair and rather mean actually.

Since when did offering constructive criticism become extremely unfair?
It's a STORY DRIVEN sandbox dating sim game, so yeah I think the story should be criticized. And unless you're delusional, it should be pretty obvious that MANY people have a problem with this character and it's ruining their experience. Unlike you I actually care to understand why, rather than pretend like those people are wrong

Second of all, she's a LOVE INTEREST. The writer needs to turn it around or suffer negative reviews for it. You only need to look at the recent reviews for the game to see that it's not good. The writer DID mess up. Why else would there be so many negative reviews?

And yes, there is no excuse for messing up when they could have taken their time with Audrey's plot

 

[Ghostface Reborn]

1. That is likely due to Dev scrambling to "fix" her character and in order for him to "fix" it he will need to spend more time on her, which sucks for people that have just given up on her i guess.
2. I mean it's certainly rushed but you can't say that she got no development, we got small dialogue lines that explain her behavior, like saying it's impossible for others to understand what it's like living in complete secret, her being an actual demon, i am sorry but she was bound to be kind of a bitch and her living in perpetual frustration from never being satisfied "sexually" which is a big deal for a literal sex demon. I mean i can see a lot of problems and flaws, this is a porn game after all but i don't see anything big enough to write her off completely. The only real thing that ever annoyed me about her that i think Dev went overboard is when she called the MC impotent after having sex the first time, she tried to emasculate him really hard there, but meh it didn't trigger me enough to just say fuck it.

Anyway i think people are gonna need to stop whining about things that the Dev simply can't change, i see some people bringing up dumb ideas like going back and re-working her scenes completely lol, thats never gonna happen, so you are either gonna have to learn to live with the character as in give Dev the time to develop her more, show her being nicer, show her being helpful to MC, etc...(because like it or not she aint going anywhere), or you can continue to bitch about something you can't change. I guess the best thing you can hope for is for updates that feature her also heavily feature another character, full on sex scenes and stuff like that so it can balance out the update for you.

I think this update concerning her needs to be redone. this had the possibility for drama and character growth.

 

[Ghostface Reborn]

Yeah, I know where you're coming from. To you Audrey has crossed the point of no return. That's why it's tricky writing redemption arcs. I think with Audrey maybe it's doable, but it's going take some serious effort
Personally for me Snape was in the same boat, never did forgive the guy for treating Harry like sub-human trash, even if James wasn't too kind to Snape

makes you question her friendship to Sam.

 

[rainwake]

You actually HAVE TO be picky, being a succubus in hiding you can't just reveal that to anyone. Secondly her problem is not that she is too picky it's that no one can really satisfy her, all she gets are "snacks" not a full meal that's the problem. Every time she "eats" she is still hungry.

so you'd rather starve than take the food that's being offered even if it doesn't fully fill you up. Yeah, ok so you'd rather die, than live with off of snacks and be hungry. Yeah sure dude, you're totally right, eating snack food is just not worth it when you could simply starve instead. Bro are you trying to kill off Audrey?

All i see is a handful of the same individuals(fuck it, lets bump it to a dozen individuals for argument sake) going back and forth on her. I dunno how many people pirate the game but the developer has almost 1400 people that pay him to play it, so i ask again where do you get the big percentage of people that despise her from?

Piracy you say. Alright genius, who do you think uploaded the game to this website?? The DEVELOPER. If they didn't want people to be able to download it for free, WHY WOULD THEY UPLOAD IT HERE???
Clearly you're missing the point. People support the Dev because they believed in the game. If people continuously get disappointed, what do you think will happen? Do you not want this game to succeed??? If you do, then you'd better treat those complaints seriously because bad reviews don't attract new players

Honestly this is all childish to me... people are acting like she murdered MC's whole family... She was mean to him... it sucks, but get over it people lol.

And all of that needed time to achieve it, so if this ends up achieving it or not, only time will tell.

No, that's literally misinformation. That's not what they said and you know it. If anything, you're the one being childish by refusing to listen to people who disagree with you. The fact that you think you can just change people's opinion by telling them to just "get over it" says a lot about your own maturity.

The reason I gave criticism is in hopes that the developer can turn things around. What exactly are you doing to help the dev??? Telling him to ignore the problems that people are pointing out and arguing with all the people who disagree with you?

 

[Ghostface Reborn]

look... all of you... we all have the rights to our opinions. let's respect that. this was a waste of potential--we all know this. unless it's pointed out--the dev can't learn.

 

[Ghostface Reborn]

let's not let this become like the tread of ''My Sister, My Roommate''.

 

[Nemesiz691]

Mc bang the hot teacher yet?

 

[Havenless_]

Regardless of your opinion, there are always comments that are superfluous and contribute absolutely nothing positive. They only contribute negative things, like:

"Dude, Audrey is a bitch lol, what a bad game."

And its counterpart:
"If you don't like it get out of here then lol don't complain about a free porn game, grow up."

If I don't like Audrey's character and I think I have well founded arguments even though I currently have her route paused for this very reason, why can't I argue then?
And the other way around. If you think Audrey's character is well developed and just needs a little more screen time to be shown, argue it. I don't see anything wrong with that.

There are plenty of comments with well-founded opinions on why they think Aubrey is a "bad character" in their view. And I share the vast majority of them. So what's stopping those who disagree from rebutting those arguments in a logical manner rather than "it's a porn game, grow up a little, snowflake!"? You have no right to empathize or hate a pixel character" Come on, man.

I always say this. On many occasions my primal side speaks more than my rational side. But, regardless of your opinion or point of view, not all complaints are "childish" or pointless whining.

 

[pigfly]

Can someone tell me whats on the gallery in page 2 2nd row, 1st one? I can't unlock it and have no idea why

 

[vxc]

i think my game is bugged because i waited more than a week for leona to show up and se didnt, can someone help me on this? im playing the sandbox version

 

[Duke4515]

Honestly, I really like this game. I stayed away for a while because of the sandbox and more updates till I tried it. I don't want to add to the pile on so I apologize, but I did like Audrey a lot at the start, it's a great model and I think it is cool she is a demon and all...but once I got to this humiliation/degrading scenes and the lack of self-respect from the MC, it kinda ruined the feel for me tbh and I kinda checked out. I don't know her background story but based off of this first time together I don't care much at this point and it's unfortunate in that I dislike her now and that I don't think I can avoid her (or I may be wrong).

 

[Sennistrasz]

People support the Dev because they believed in the game. If people continuously get disappointed, what do you think will happen?

I believe that most people clicked on this game because of the "Hermione" model, and her not getting more action is more damaging than whatever Audrey does.

 

[Zeruvex]

UPDATED 03 MARCH 2022
For any one who wants a Guide,
Here a copy of my Gameplays
All Gallery images have been unlocked .
All Quests completed
(End of Gameplays Saves included)
NB.
These Gameplays are for the SANDBOX mode

Hope this helps, good luck and have fun.

Please note that in V0.5.1d it is possible to earn $160 per shift at Molly's !,
Sadly this bug was fixed in v0.6.1d (Back to $ 35 per shift ! )

Sadly for some reason the dl link doesnt work for me it says it is not trusted site and wont let me advance to dl the zip file

 

[den_tiger]

Not for me. The redhead is who brought me here. Plus the giant boob twins.