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krogine

Member
Dec 3, 2018
164
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Hi everyone, I've tried not to get involved here, but I feel like things are getting a little out of hand.
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Thank you for taking the time to read this.
Im glad we got some dev perspective on this (though it's unfortunate that they fealt a need to do so beyond simply wanting to). making a product for others to consume is hard and you'll never please everyone and seeing as this isnt a finished product it's bound to go through multiple changes.

even if I dont like were it goes from now on it aint like the game was personally made for ME. even if i was a patreon had have about as much say in the game as any other patron is allowed so that'd guarantee nothing.

make what ya wanna make because maybe you'll get more joy outta the few enjoying your vision than many enjoying a more universally palatable version of your vision
 

nomaiD

Newbie
Jan 9, 2022
27
26
The main idea I had for Zack was to make him feel like a proper bully, he appears randomly and you can't escape from him[...] this is one thing I changed in the last version because many people asked me to, so now you can choose to escape from him.
Thank you very much for changing that part. I did a whole post explaining why I (and possibly other people) found this mechanic uncomfortable, and I'm very thankful that you listened to the feedback and changed it even if it wasn't in your original vision :)
 
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Dyson

Member
Jun 12, 2017
122
196
Hi everyone, I've tried not to get involved here, but I feel like things are getting a little out of hand.

First of all, I guess you all can tell I'm the developer of this game, I've been lurking around this thread since its creation if I recall correctly, getting feedback from it from time to time, I fixed some bugs and changed the direction of some details of the content for the better because of that, so thank you for that.

Now, I want to explain some things, because I understand how frustrating it is to not know the reason behind game development decisions, it happens to me every time Blizzard does something with WoW that I find stupid, and not knowing the reason behind it makes me mad.

When I started to make this game it was kinda like an experiment (it still is, up to some degree), I wanted to make a WoW porn game, and actually, the first idea I had was to make it in RPGmaker, working exactly the way it works right now (point and click) and with Marcus as the main character, the human paladin protagonist of the Steamy Romance novels in WoW, but as I worked more on the game I ended moving to Unity to have more freedom, and decided to make the game more open with both male and female characters.

View attachment 2116411

As you can see in the picture from an old sex scene preview, the game started with balanced content, the male and female characters even had different scenes, not just the same one with a model swap, but as time went on I made things a little more complex, first I started to use an actual 3D model for your character like in the picture, then I added High Elves to the playable races, and finally, I started to make the sex scenes animated.

All of this made everything more time expensive, and as time went on I started to notice more comments from people that were into M/M content, now, I'm a gay man myself, and that probably translated to the quality of the non-gay scenes, and maybe that caused a higher amount of people that liked M/M content to support the game. Whatever it was, I decided to make a poll to see what my audience wanted more, and an overwhelming majority of people wanted to play as a male character, and wanted M/M content, like...

View attachment 2116432

I was very happy about that because sometimes it was kinda dreadful to write straight scenes, although the worst ones were the lesbian ones, there was absolutely nothing I could focus on to get at least a little turned on while writing the scenes (it helps me to get more into the scene). So, I made a statement telling patrons that I would start to shift the content more towards M/M, I didn't want to ditch straight content entirely (I still don't want to), not necessarily because of money, given that most people that are already paying wanted M/M, but because I know how it feels to play a porn game that seems to have both gay and straight content, and then see how through time gay content completely disappears, so I want to still add some of it from time to time.

Now, I understand the frustration with this for some of you, especially because the posts where I talked about this are not posted here or public on Patreon, so most of you are in the dark when it comes to why I made this change through time.
As I said I want to keep adding straight content, and I've been trying to find ways of making it faster so it doesn't take too much time from the M/M content, what I can tell you is that whatever straight content comes in the future it won't have the same quality as the M/M, I've been thinking about things like reusing animations from other scenes, but changing the perspective of the scene so it doesn't look exactly the same, I tested this with Jane in the Explorer's Camp in Stranglethorn, reusing the poses from the sex scenes with Anetta in the Northshire Abbey for the male character and the pose from the scene with the female bandit in Goldshire I think it was for the female character.

The two main things that take me more time than anything else are animating your 3D character for the scenes (the 2D part of it is fast) and writing the scenes, so if I can reuse animations and text for the straight scenes, changing details, I could have more content like that, but again, less quality.

Now I wanted to take this chance and clarify some things that I've read around here:

The Redridge Academy is something I wanted to do to try and make a graphic novel, I like experimenting in this game by doing things like mini-games, because it helps me learn more about making games in general, so it can feel that comes out of nowhere, you shouldn't look at it from the perspective that you are a superhero that defeated things like Hakkar and now you are getting bullied by just a dude, the zone is kinda isolated from other zones, and even has a unique UI, take it as a game within the game.
This zone was voted to go first before the next ''normal'' zone, The Burning Steppes, with orcs everywhere, so I guess people wanted this more, and then another thing is that the main idea I had for Zack was to make him feel like a proper bully, he appears randomly and you can't escape from him, so if you are lucky one day you won't find him, then in a future version you can make him your bitch using a bimbo potion and get your revenge if you want, this is one thing I changed in the last version because many people asked me to, so now you can choose to escape from him and you won't get more submissive. Again, you defeat many foes in the game, yes, but this is kind of an isolated fantasy or kink.

The reason why there are more submissive/bottom scenes in the game, a big part of it is because that way I can reuse them for the female character and add the straight scenes, and another part is that I personally tilt more toward that kind of thing, so I tend to come up with more of those scenes, same reason why I don't tend to add too many hairy characters, because is not really my thing, although I try to keep that in mind when planning content.

The character Lee at the gym and that entire version with his romance story is not an official/paid crossover with GYEE, the mobile game he comes from, I just played the game back in the day and I found that character hot, so I decided to make a WoW version of him, like most things in the game I just make them because I find them hot xD like the scenes with Milo and Tarzan in Stranglethorn, that came out of me watching a sex animation of them made by Mr. Xtoon, plain and simple, there are no conspiracies, I'm not making deals behind the scene with companies for crossovers, I just see something that turns me on a lot, making me think about it all day and I decide to make a WoW version of it, the same thing happened with the horse dude in the last version, I was turned on by the horse guy in the comic ''May the best man win'' by SigmaX, and I just thought...wouldn't be cool to try and make a race like that?

I'm probably missing something else, but this is it, sorry for the wall of text, but I've seen a lot of fighting around here and I wanted to clear some stuff, I hope this will help to at least keep things a little more peaceful, and for the straight guys here, I understand why you are frustrated, I'm not doing this to upset anyone, or doing it in bad faith, I'm just trying to focus on doing the content I like for as long as I'm able to, so I would recommend you looking at this game as a mostly M/M game with some straight content sprinkled on top of it, actually I should update the description page in Patreon...

Thank you for taking the time to read this.
Thank you as well for clearing the air sort of speak about the reasons as to why the direction of the game is the way it is in this year's updates. I won't lie that some of the elements within the game itself I either missed it a lot, or disliked a lot, but as a fellow LG(B)T guy of the community myself, I do understand that since you are indeed gay game developer, your greatest strength in content creation will always be M/M and personally there's nothing wrong with that. I and I'm sure others were just confused to how the game started out as a balanced project, turns into more one-sided content, which roses more questions and concerns about the overall of the game's future development. Hopefully after anyone, particularly the str8 audience, read your statement, that it'll resolve any issues or arguments they may have about the game and respects your decision and direction you choose to take it. I look forward to seeing what you have in store in the upcoming updates and my sincerest apologies for any of my rude earlier posts made against the game/you. Again, thank you for the clarifications and I wish you the best.❤
 

underrock

New Member
Jun 25, 2019
11
13
I'm probably missing something else, but this is it, sorry for the wall of text, but I've seen a lot of fighting around here and I wanted to clear some stuff, I hope this will help to at least keep things a little more peaceful, and for the straight guys here, I understand why you are frustrated, I'm not doing this to upset anyone, or doing it in bad faith, I'm just trying to focus on doing the content I like for as long as I'm able to, so I would recommend you looking at this game as a mostly M/M game with some straight content sprinkled on top of it, actually I should update the description page in Patreon...

Thank you for taking the time to read this.
I appreciate you taking the time to write this. I've been an on-and-off patron when I can afford to be, so most of it wasn't news, but it was still good to see you engage with opinions here in a calm and constructive way.
I'm a gay man myself, and probably voted in that poll, so I'm definitely in agreement with the direction the game is taking. It'd be nice to have balance between sexualities, sure, but you only have so much time to put into development, and a fair amount of that is already put towards making content that appeals to others (dominating hairy guys like Brox and Ryan is just :love:). Switching towards what makes both you and patrons happier is an obvious move.

I might also be alone in this, but you might also be able to save some time by putting less of it into writing the sex scenes. Meaning no disrespect at all, I enjoy the writing but more than 2-3 pages to click through gets distracting when I want to be looking at the images. Just a suggestion meant in good faith, hope you continue to enjoy making the game. :)
 

SomebodyInzaWarudo

New Member
May 13, 2020
2
0
Hey, can someone help me. I'm in the academy section and I see Solan in the Lockerroom with Jay. I tried talking to him, but nothing seems to be happening. Anyone have an idea on what I should be doing?
 

onionlover

Member
Game Developer
Mar 17, 2020
161
401
I don't know why I can't load my previous save :cry:
For some strange reasons, if you save in The Redridge Academy, it takes a super long time to load or just outright unable to do so. It's a toss-up.

I was able to load into my old save using the 7.0 ver and then left the academy to save. Afterward, I loaded that new save in 7.1 and it was okay. Hope this helps.
 
Aug 15, 2019
177
140
thanks for the spam and stupid quarrels. assholes! the developer of the project came here, which means that the topic will be viewed and moderated by them to search for drains. This means that new versions can be expected once every 2 month or more.

could you discuss it somewhere else, and not make such a mess here, just because you don't like gay games and the author makes such content?


I would honestly support the author if it wasn't for this cancellation policy from fucking sites and banks that want to go into politics, but can't because they are tied to big brother and shitocrats.

well, yes, I will most likely be given a ban or a penalty, but honestly I had to speak out.
 
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CrotchLint

Newbie
Mar 11, 2018
23
77
Hi everyone, I've tried not to get involved here, but I feel like things are getting a little out of hand.

First of all, I guess you all can tell I'm the developer of this game, I've been lurking around this thread since its creation if I recall correctly, getting feedback from it from time to time, I fixed some bugs and changed the direction of some details of the content for the better because of that, so thank you for that.

Now, I want to explain some things, because I understand how frustrating it is to not know the reason behind game development decisions, it happens to me every time Blizzard does something with WoW that I find stupid, and not knowing the reason behind it makes me mad.

When I started to make this game it was kinda like an experiment (it still is, up to some degree), I wanted to make a WoW porn game, and actually, the first idea I had was to make it in RPGmaker, working exactly the way it works right now (point and click) and with Marcus as the main character, the human paladin protagonist of the Steamy Romance novels in WoW, but as I worked more on the game I ended moving to Unity to have more freedom, and decided to make the game more open with both male and female characters.

View attachment 2116411

As you can see in the picture from an old sex scene preview, the game started with balanced content, the male and female characters even had different scenes, not just the same one with a model swap, but as time went on I made things a little more complex, first I started to use an actual 3D model for your character like in the picture, then I added High Elves to the playable races, and finally, I started to make the sex scenes animated.

All of this made everything more time expensive, and as time went on I started to notice more comments from people that were into M/M content, now, I'm a gay man myself, and that probably translated to the quality of the non-gay scenes, and maybe that caused a higher amount of people that liked M/M content to support the game. Whatever it was, I decided to make a poll to see what my audience wanted more, and an overwhelming majority of people wanted to play as a male character, and wanted M/M content, like...

View attachment 2116432

I was very happy about that because sometimes it was kinda dreadful to write straight scenes, although the worst ones were the lesbian ones, there was absolutely nothing I could focus on to get at least a little turned on while writing the scenes (it helps me to get more into the scene). So, I made a statement telling patrons that I would start to shift the content more towards M/M, I didn't want to ditch straight content entirely (I still don't want to), not necessarily because of money, given that most people that are already paying wanted M/M, but because I know how it feels to play a porn game that seems to have both gay and straight content, and then see how through time gay content completely disappears, so I want to still add some of it from time to time.

Now, I understand the frustration with this for some of you, especially because the posts where I talked about this are not posted here or public on Patreon, so most of you are in the dark when it comes to why I made this change through time.
As I said I want to keep adding straight content, and I've been trying to find ways of making it faster so it doesn't take too much time from the M/M content, what I can tell you is that whatever straight content comes in the future it won't have the same quality as the M/M, I've been thinking about things like reusing animations from other scenes, but changing the perspective of the scene so it doesn't look exactly the same, I tested this with Jane in the Explorer's Camp in Stranglethorn, reusing the poses from the sex scenes with Anetta in the Northshire Abbey for the male character and the pose from the scene with the female bandit in Goldshire I think it was for the female character.

The two main things that take me more time than anything else are animating your 3D character for the scenes (the 2D part of it is fast) and writing the scenes, so if I can reuse animations and text for the straight scenes, changing details, I could have more content like that, but again, less quality.

Now I wanted to take this chance and clarify some things that I've read around here:

The Redridge Academy is something I wanted to do to try and make a graphic novel, I like experimenting in this game by doing things like mini-games, because it helps me learn more about making games in general, so it can feel that comes out of nowhere, you shouldn't look at it from the perspective that you are a superhero that defeated things like Hakkar and now you are getting bullied by just a dude, the zone is kinda isolated from other zones, and even has a unique UI, take it as a game within the game.
This zone was voted to go first before the next ''normal'' zone, The Burning Steppes, with orcs everywhere, so I guess people wanted this more, and then another thing is that the main idea I had for Zack was to make him feel like a proper bully, he appears randomly and you can't escape from him, so if you are lucky one day you won't find him, then in a future version you can make him your bitch using a bimbo potion and get your revenge if you want, this is one thing I changed in the last version because many people asked me to, so now you can choose to escape from him and you won't get more submissive. Again, you defeat many foes in the game, yes, but this is kind of an isolated fantasy or kink.

The reason why there are more submissive/bottom scenes in the game, a big part of it is because that way I can reuse them for the female character and add the straight scenes, and another part is that I personally tilt more toward that kind of thing, so I tend to come up with more of those scenes, same reason why I don't tend to add too many hairy characters, because is not really my thing, although I try to keep that in mind when planning content.

The character Lee at the gym and that entire version with his romance story is not an official/paid crossover with GYEE, the mobile game he comes from, I just played the game back in the day and I found that character hot, so I decided to make a WoW version of him, like most things in the game I just make them because I find them hot xD like the scenes with Milo and Tarzan in Stranglethorn, that came out of me watching a sex animation of them made by Mr. Xtoon, plain and simple, there are no conspiracies, I'm not making deals behind the scene with companies for crossovers, I just see something that turns me on a lot, making me think about it all day and I decide to make a WoW version of it, the same thing happened with the horse dude in the last version, I was turned on by the horse guy in the comic ''May the best man win'' by SigmaX, and I just thought...wouldn't be cool to try and make a race like that?

I'm probably missing something else, but this is it, sorry for the wall of text, but I've seen a lot of fighting around here and I wanted to clear some stuff, I hope this will help to at least keep things a little more peaceful, and for the straight guys here, I understand why you are frustrated, I'm not doing this to upset anyone, or doing it in bad faith, I'm just trying to focus on doing the content I like for as long as I'm able to, so I would recommend you looking at this game as a mostly M/M game with some straight content sprinkled on top of it, actually I should update the description page in Patreon...

Thank you for taking the time to read this.
Letting a poll decide the course of your game completely changes it's theme and direction? More news at 11. kek

I'd consider just removing the option to play as female at this point. It's clear that's not the goal of the game anymore and leaving it open just invites further complaints.
 

shinyboy64

Member
Jan 19, 2019
158
89
Letting a poll decide the course of your game completely changes it's theme and direction? More news at 11. kek

I'd consider just removing the option to play as female at this point. It's clear that's not the goal of the game anymore and leaving it open just invites further complaints.
The correct move.
He is gay, he doesn't feel comfortable doing straight content and originally was mostly that. He should just embrace it and let us, the gay players have a good Warcraft Gay Game for once.
Don't like it? they are thousand of straight games out there.
 

Gwedelino

Well-Known Member
Game Developer
Sep 4, 2017
1,052
2,189
Most of the disappointment come from the fact this game didn't really start as a gay game, and it was pretty even between Straight/Lesbian/Gay content. It managed to catch the attention of a lot of people who all had different tastes, and it wasn't really a problem since dev managed to keep a good balance between each content.

When this balance has been broken, it started to become a problem.
I won't hide that I was myself a bit angry since I tried LFA out at first mostly because of the lesbian content, and I even occasionally supported this game on patreon.

But, well, Sonpih is right anyway as it's HIS game project first. Moreover, a majority of his supporter voted for Gay content to go first, and the respect of their vote comes before anything else.

Good luck dev. you have shown an unmatched consistency since the beginning of this project. I'm happy for you to see how much it has grown over time and I hope it will continue.
 

Gaystar252

Member
May 15, 2019
242
199
Most of the disappointment come from the fact this game didn't really start as a gay game, and it was pretty even between Straight/Lesbian/Gay content. It managed to catch the attention of a lot of people who all had different tastes, and it wasn't really a problem since dev managed to keep a good balance between each content.

When this balance has been broken, it started to become a problem.
I won't hide that I was myself a bit angry since I tried LFA out at first mostly because of the lesbian content, and I even occasionally supported this game on patreon.

But, well, Sonpih is right anyway as it's HIS game project first. Moreover, a majority of his supporter voted for Gay content to go first, and the respect of their vote comes before anything else.

Good luck dev. you have shown an unmatched consistency since the beginning of this project. I'm happy for you to see how much it has grown over time and I hope it will continue.
Again there’s no polls or votes at all
 
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