Ren'Py Lustful Desires [v0.82.0] [Hyao]

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IvoryOwl said:
I personally don't care about yours or anyone elses' definition of what it means to give money in Patreon. For the record I'm not mad at you or anything (because I know my tone and wording might get mistaken as such). It's just that, in my mind, if -I- give them money then in my purview -I'm- investing in that project. You and others might not agree with it, but that's how I see it. I don't usually give money away out of the goodness of my heart; if I give my financial support, then I expect something in return.

I know that's not how most people see it, I also know I cannot hold the dev accountable because I have no contract with them. And that is precisely why I don't support these devs on Patreon. I want to see progress that culminates in a finished product, and I simply don't believe these platforms to be a good medium for that. With no way to hold these people accountable, I might as well be throwing money away on a gamble that might pan out in a finished product. It's simply not for me.

It's way more advantageous for me to just buy the finished the product when it comes out. If ever. AAA games are very expensive nowadays, yet that would be nothing compared to 5-15$ a month for 5-10 years to support these devs. That's an insane amount of money to throw at a gamble project. 5$ a month adds up to 60$ a year. I could buy a whole ass game with that money, heck, I could pay PS or Xbox 20$ a month and I'd instantly gain access to a whole library of games! Investing in Patreon, just sounds like a bad idea comparatively.

In other words, from a consumer's perspective, Patreon just isn't for me. I have no idea what is going on with this dev or his project, I just stumbled upon this thread, saw what people were saying and decided to pitch in my 2 cents... about stuff in general.
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I hear you on all this! There's another project I supported on and off for about two years. I really wanted to help the developers make the game cuz it was high quality and so My Shit. After a couple delayed updates and some undelivered promises, I stopped subscribing to them entirely. The project is still progressing, just very slowly, and their communication hasn't gotten any better. It does feel like they're milking the Patreon for as long as they can.

I haven't given up on the subscription platform entirely, but I am pretty picky about who I send my money to. It's mostly podcasts and artist I like a lot. I think subscription services do a lot of good for artists in general, but there's bad actors out there for sure.

Thanks for hopping in and having a conversation about this! You've explained your opinions well without being nasty. It's hard to find that on these forums!
 
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Probably next week or next month at this rate, he's had 2 months+ of time to do this, probably something is going on in his life.
 
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kanon09 said:
Probably next week or next month at this rate, he's had 2 months+ of time to do this, probably something is going on in his life.
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I doubt next month, but I'm actually curious what's gonna happen for it. Maybe he'll do all his content for this month and all guest content for next month?
 
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nackedsnake said:
Pretty much what vitrelladonella said.
From what you said, I'm not sure you know how Patreon subscription actually works.
Or you've been poisoned by those who exploits such model to extract money (one of the worst thing they did is pay-walling contents behind subscription).
  • No matter how you think you are "investing in these projects", You are not.
    • There're no contract signed to guarantee an agreed outcome. You might as well not getting anything you expected in return.
  • No matter how you think you are part of the development cuz you gave the dev bunch of money, You are not.
    • You can give feedback, you might even influence the project.
    • BUT it's ultimately up to the Developers to make the call and do the work. If it's aligned with your interests, great. If it's not, bad luck for you.
It's "parasocial" cuz it's "delusional power fantasy". I don't even understand how you can compare these to Investment Industry.

Tho I agree with your "Without accountability, nothing would get done...". Everyone only acts with their own best interests.
The sad truth is we are not able to held anyone accountable in gaming industry due to lackin' regulations. (Sick of Big companies sell overpriced and unfinished games yet?)
And that's one of many reasons why there are so many Abandonware, besides "dev burnout due to unhealthy environment", "developing game is difficult, requires way more skills than dev can handle", etc.

And what's all this to do with Lustful Desires you ask?
It's just a porn game, if you don't like the state of the development, just move on with your life. You can't hold Hyao "accountable" for anything cuz there's never an agreement signed in the first place. Nor can he you.
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Nobody here is trying to sue Hyao for breach of contract. But there's a social contract between the developers and the patreons to fulfill promises to a certain reasonable degree. Funnily enough the degree is more or less set by the developers. Hyao set the deadline himself and then failed to meet it repeatedly. In accordance with social contract some people point it out and complain about it. This is great because it tells others whether to support the project or any projects by that developer, hopefully impacting their bottom line enough for them to correct their behavior or at least prevent people from wasting money on the project.

I think you should just move on with your life and keep playing the game without complaint if you're okay with the situation. Just accept that not everyone is and rightfully so.
 
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hatass said:
--there's a social contract between the developers and the patreons to fulfill promises to a certain reasonable degree. Funnily enough the degree is more or less set by the developers. Hyao set the deadline himself and then failed to meet it repeatedly.
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In Hyao's defense, this is the first time he's legitimately missed a deadline he set. Further in his defense, here's his exact wording:

I think I should be able to release the update this week, most likely sometime during the weekend.
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There's no *hard* confirmation (unlike Lilith's Throne dev) that it would be on the weekend, so, yeah. He has given us a heads up when a month wouldn't have an update (so you could pause Patreon payments for a month if you wanted), unlike some other devs (LT as already mentioned for basically every fucking month, or the OnlyIHaveSkillls dev who did it twice). Plus like, $1.

I'm not trying to white knight Hyao here, but honestly, I'm willing to give him the BOTD provided he actually follows through on this update being as good as he's made it out to be.
 
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Polarthief said:
In Hyao's defense, this is the first time he's legitimately missed a deadline he set. Further in his defense, here's his exact wording:



There's no *hard* confirmation (unlike Lilith's Throne dev) that it would be on the weekend, so, yeah. He has given us a heads up when a month wouldn't have an update (so you could pause Patreon payments for a month if you wanted), unlike some other devs (LT as already mentioned for basically every fucking month, or the OnlyIHaveSkillls dev who did it twice). Plus like, $1.

I'm not trying to white knight Hyao here, but honestly, I'm willing to give him the BOTD provided he actually follows through on this update being as good as he's made it out to be.
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Right. My main complaint was actually the content in the last X releases and not this particular deadline. Sorry for the confusion.
 
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hatass said:
My main complaint was actually the content in the last X releases and not this particular deadline.
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Previous releases were late as well? I don't remember that. Lacking in content? Absolutely, but I don't remember anything about him missing deadlines...
 
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Update 0.65
I apologize for being so late with this one.

It was finished earlier, but I did a mess with one event, so most of today we were trying to fix everything so it won't cause problems. I hope we didn't overlook anything.

The update is roughly 40k+ words. It's a big one. One part of it is the Bareshade assembly event, the other is expanding the Skullbreaker camp. Plus some small things here or there. Plenty of new other things as well - new cg, new sprites, new music.

Without further ado...



PART 1: CONTENT

Bareshade Fair

Stroll around

  • Tao (maybe) in trouble (Req: Tao invited to fair, bandits in town)
Official meeting

  • Main event. Finish the necessary conversations with the guests for the option to be available during the fair.
Bareshade

Bernard:

  • Assembly (Req: Werewolf event finished, Orc event finished, Lizard invited to the fair, Tao invited to the fair, NC guards invited to the fair)
Assembly

You need to talk with those people to progress the event further during conversation with Bernard.

  • Ruins: Roushk
  • Northcrest Outpost: Everett
  • Junkyard: Tao
  • River's Bank: Feliar (Req: Rather obvious)
  • Iron Blood Camp: Korg (Req: Stood against Mirage, Groth visited the fair)
  • Iron Blood Camp: Orgram (Req: Talk with Korg finished)
Northcrest

Dulrig:

  • Conversation: Crawler hide
Skullbreaker Horde Camp

Entrance:

  • Orc Slut (Req: Respect -70, 'Reward' talk done if picked that option during encounter with Mirage)
  • Warm welcome (Req: Respect -25)
Camp:

  • Naked MC (Req: No clothes. Scene with Respect -15)
  • Explore Camp (Random events)
Outdoor prisoners (MC Male top content):

  • Blowjob from the green orc
  • Blowjob from the red orc?
  • Double blowjob from the ogre
Khalgor's Tent

Entrance (MC Bottom content):

  • Khalgor's Walk (Req: Respect -70, Orc Slut event done, once per day)
  • 3 scenes + 1 Fem MC scene + 1 wolbauk scene
Conversation:

  • Mirage's promised reward (Req: 'Khalgor' picked as a reward, 'Mirage' conversation done)
  • Place to stay (Req: Respect -10 or 10+)
  • Prisoners (Req: Korg not in Orgram's tribe, Respect -20 or 20+, Outdoor prisoners done 5+ times)
'Tent'

  • Entrance
  • Rest
  • No rest for the wicked (If sleep was interrupted. Results depends on the players Respect)
Jungle

Sabal Encounter:

  • Escape variant – Escape has now four steps. You can pass each one of them which would take you to safety. A failed escape leads to a choice to continue a fight or trying escape again.
Battlefield

Check the surroundings:

  • Two new events (Encounter, Item Find)
  • New Enemy: Gryphon
New Items

  • Gryphon's Feather
  • Gryphon's Arrow
  • Crawler Armored Chausses
  • Horde's Necklace
PART 2: VISUAL/AUDIO ASPECTS

Narram’s addition:

  • CG: Gunnar / MC
  • Enemy: Gryphon
StanG's addition:

  • Enemy: Pair Bandit
Burb's addition:

  • New Icons: Warding Amulet, Traveler's Set, Poisonous Arrows, Sparking Arrows, Gryphon's Arrows, Gryphon's Feather, Crawler Armored Chausses, Horde's Necklace
  • Updated Icons: Antique Coin, Arrows
Civ's addition:

  • Music: Endurance (Battle Theme music for boss fights)
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Req: Stood against Mirage
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Ah so it's another one of those "you have a choice but not really" situations. Gotcha. Hey, at least the gryphons are pretty cool with their three scenes. And the skullbreaker events are good.
 
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There's also a bit of main plot forwarding, assuming you're on a "good" path with everyone. I'm currently doing it now but the TL;DR is you can have all the tribes & humans meet up for an assembly at the fair (not a spoiler, it's in the patch notes). Pretty cool idea of unifying everyone; curious where it goes in about another year or two. :ROFLMAO: In all seriousness, hopefully Hyao's back to making solid updates, though he only has about 3 weeks for the next one... I expect it to be a bit delayed, like May 10th-13th or so to make up for it, and then with June, he'll probably be back to 5th-10th as he says is the norm.

Edit: I'm through the "main introductions" part of the assembly, very cool stuff! Nothing really sexy, but some comedy thrown in and whatnot, and now there's uh, a whole LIST of conversations to go through:

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While the update was in fact quite late (almost a full week past his usual maximum date of the 10th), there's plenty of SFW and NSFW to enjoy in this update. Very well done as I was hoping it would be based on his own words.
 
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