Ren'Py Lustful Desires [v0.82.0] [Hyao]

[aseknospam]

Lol add the Black Wolf and Yeti to that list, the former of which was seemingly dropped on the verge of its conclusion to boot.

Black Wolf is written by Brimscorch not by Hyao himself, so its all depend on Brim on how it will conclude, and right now Brim writes stuff for crocs and seems like he has issues with making up a good conclusion for the BW story

 

[HlinikZHumpolce]

And that´s the biggest problem with this game - too many writers, that write stories like old AO3 fanfic with thousands of pages, without idea how will the story end... just write idea on top of old idea and so on...

 

[MingeMaster]

Black Wolf is written by Brimscorch not by Hyao himself, so its all depend on Brim on how it will conclude, and right now Brim writes stuff for crocs and seems like he has issues with making up a good conclusion for the BW story

Hyao is essentially the director on this so it doesn't matter much that Brimscorch specifically is the writer for BW stuff, even more so considering that the BW story is entwined with the main story so I wouldn't be surprised if it's being held up due to the current glacial pace of main story progression.

 

[nackedsnake]

More or less seems like it. Every few months there's a new plot that gets only half-finished before stalling and then moving on to a new one again. There is SO MUCH unfinished plot and character content that hasn't been touched in a while:

- Mythshore with Paulo and John, like, what ever happened to them?
- The Lakeshard plot just died completely (probably because the collab with the Robin Morninwood Adventure went nowhere).
- The Between World's crossover with Tavern of Spear also has gone nowhere and just kind of... ended?
- Ste the studly bovine, his arc just evaporated.
- Top Logan content? Would love to see it!
- Korg and Groth got set aside to focus on Maul. Like, Maul is fine but could we not have focused on the characters that have already been established before introducing a new one?
- The Orc War event is still a WIP. (This one feels personal, I love the Orc content, it's my favourite part of the game).
- Nameless!?!?!???!!??
- Bareshade Alliance, still unfinished.
- Arion - completely forgotten.
- Scar and Tank... Like, are they just going to hang out in that tree FOREVER?
- WTF happened to the MC's Mentor?

I have subscribed on and off to Hyao's patreon when he's been doing content I like. Currently in an off period. Will subscribe again when he gets around to doing more Orc content. Was hopeful when we got Maul's post-match stuff but then nothing substantial. I don't know if he has just gotten bored of writing previous plot threads or maybe he thinks his supporters will unsubscribe if he finishes earlier arcs/events. I'd be more inclined to maintain support regularly if he finished plot points before introducing entirely new ones. Hard to get excited about the new content and get interested in the new characters when I'm waiting for all these WIP notes to wrap up. Haven't even started the new Croc content yet.

Man this rly gives me Déjà vu of Only I Have Skills and Flexible Survival, stretching contents thin but going nowhere. The former is already dead, while the "Hub" style kinda worked on the latter, it's in limbo also.
You could literally put 80% named characters on your list

It seems like Hyao ain't really having a project plan, just do whatever interested him at the moment.
It's fair for a hobby project where you'r just in for the fun of it, but rather bad otherwise.

TBH I don't really mind if he has to abandon some at this point, just stick to a set path, moving towards a satisfying closure, one at a time before onto the next.

 

[aseknospam]

And that´s the biggest problem with this game - too many writers, that write stories like old AO3 fanfic with thousands of pages, without idea how will the story end... just write idea on top of old idea and so on...

Thats the problem that started from the early days of the game that is currently impossible to fix beside complitely gut out content that was abandoned by previous writers and even if you gut it out people gonna cry about it being deleted, so the only option to pick it up himself when mood arises

 

[aseknospam]

Hyao is essentially the director on this so it doesn't matter much that Brimscorch specifically is the writer for BW stuff, even more so considering that the BW story is entwined with the main story so I wouldn't be surprised if it's being held up due to the current glacial pace of main story progression.

It doesnt matter if he is director of the project when person who working on a specific part of the project not presenting what to add, Hyao could pick it up himself and finish it but Brim might have different idea of how it would end, that why the only option is to give it a time for him to came up with what satisfy Brim rather then forcing him to give him just something that would be rushed and unsatisfactory just to close that part of the story off and not bother about it, if you want to enjoy LD you better learn to treat it as a sandbox that get updated with different content overtime rather then as linear story that updates its stories and quests one after another, otherwise you will be always unhappy cuz it would take long time in between updates for content that you particularly selected for yourself to enjoy

 

[Woozieydreamer]

It doesnt matter if he is director of the project when person who working on a specific part of the project not presenting what to add, Hyao could pick it up himself and finish it but Brim might have different idea of how it would end, that why the only option is to give it a time for him to came up with what satisfy Brim rather then forcing him to give him just something that would be rushed and unsatisfactory just to close that part of the story off and not bother about it, if you want to enjoy LD you better learn to treat it as a sandbox that get updated with different content overtime rather then as linear story that updates its stories and quests one after another, otherwise you will be always unhappy cuz it would take long time in between updates for content that you particularly selected for yourself to enjoy

The last time people were encouraged to "treat a game as a sandbox" to not be 'unhappy' with it was Flexible Survival - and that ended with it basically being placed behind a Patreon paywall for all major content out of the blue and now we're getting dripfed scraps (of content literally nobody cares about) once every 2 - 3 months when updates used to release consistently every month and we got massive update logs each time. And this is in spite of the fact they've claimed to have a larger team than ever now.

Defending devs' shitty practices where they ignore the content people are actually supporting them for in favor of whatever random thing has taken over their brain until they get bored of even that then dropping it whilst still ignoring the OG stuff people followed them for is the exact reason so many projects either end up in limbo, become walking corpses, or just die outright.

 

[aseknospam]

The last time people were encouraged to "treat a game as a sandbox" to not be 'unhappy' with it was Flexible Survival - and that ended with it basically being placed behind a Patreon paywall for all major content out of the blue and now we're getting dripfed scraps (of content literally nobody cares about) once every 2 - 3 months when updates used to release consistently every month and we got massive update logs each time. And this is in spite of the fact they've claimed to have a larger team than ever now.

Defending devs' shitty practices where they ignore the content people are actually supporting them for in favor of whatever random thing has taken over their brain until they get bored of even that then dropping it whilst still ignoring the OG stuff people followed them for is the exact reason so many projects either end up in limbo, become walking corpses, or just die outright.

What are you even talking about? 2-3 month update? Are you drunk? Game updates every single month ( sometimes with delayes 1 week at max ). and the whole paywall point is complitely bull crap considering that for 1$ you getting full update the only thing that you are not getting is the gallery, sorry if you cant afford to spend 1$ once in a while to get the most recent update, yes the project is bloated with stuff and Hyao is at fault for adding alot of stuff that shouldnt have been added or invite writers that dip out and not continuing working on what they started, if you dont like all the new stuff and only following for the older stuff that was abandoned and not getting updates then better find something esle, cuz doubt that Hyao would change his mind about updating the game based on what he is in the mood for

 

[Woozieydreamer]

What are you even talking about? 2-3 month update? Are you drunk? Game updates every single month ( sometimes with delayes 1 week at max ). and the whole paywall point is complitely bull crap considering that for 1$ you getting full update the only thing that you are not getting is the gallery, sorry if you cant afford to spend 1$ once in a while to get the most recent update, yes the project is bloated with stuff and Hyao is at fault for adding alot of stuff that shouldnt have been added or invite writers that dip out and not continuing working on what they started, if you dont like all the new stuff and only following for the older stuff that was abandoned and not getting updates then better find something esle, cuz doubt that Hyao would change his mind about updating the game based on what he is in the mood for

I was talking about Flexible Survival, but I'm not especially surprised you don't seem to be able to understand what people are saying to you - given you've been going off on tangents and failing to comprehend that yes, constantly starting and dropping plotlines without developing them is a bad trait regardless of how much of a "sandbox" your game is. A sandbox that is half empty is the worst of both worlds.

 

[Long fan]

This game doesn't focus much on the plot to begin with, this is an adventure of solving problems and sleeping with anything that moves.

 

[zz8888]

constantly starting and dropping plotlines without developing them is a bad trait regardless of how much of a "sandbox" your game is. A sandbox that is half empty is the worst of both worlds.

This, this and this.

 

[Woozieydreamer]

This game doesn't focus much on the plot to begin with, this is an adventure of solving problems and sleeping with anything that moves.

The problem isn't focusing on the plot - what people are complaining about is that the content people actually care about is completely shafted and sidelined because whenever Hyao gets some random idea that only he or Brim care about, then he has to put it into the game. Even when it comes at the active detriment of all other content because it completely sucks away their writing focus from everything else.

I'd be entirely fine with them expanding the world and adding new shit to fuck/be fucked by if they also remembered to add more scenes of fucking/being fucked by the actual characters they've already added. But they don't do that, and instead laser-focus on "new thing" until they get bored of "new thing" and then go do something else until they get bored of that too.

 

[nackedsnake]

The problem isn't focusing on the plot - what people are complaining about is that the content people actually care about is completely shafted and sidelined because whenever Hyao gets some random idea that only he or Brim care about, then he has to put it into the game. Even when it comes at the active detriment of all other content because it completely sucks away their writing focus from everything else.

I'd be entirely fine with them expanding the world and adding new shit to fuck/be fucked by if they also remembered to add more scenes of fucking/being fucked by the actual characters they've already added. But they don't do that, and instead laser-focus on "new thing" until they get bored of "new thing" and then go do something else until they get bored of that too.

It actually has everything to do with the plot. Or rather, narrative writing.
That's why so many projects died cuz of the burntout of "adding new thing > get bored so move onto the next new thing > repeat", just like you said - The dev themselves get bored of the whole eventually.
Even gacha that's solely exist to sell "new things", still need passable plots to get people attached.

If you just put random fucks in a empty "sandbox", it's still empty.
A good sandbox game provides all the tools you need to make fun contents yourself.
But 99% sandbox porn games don't hv that, you just doing some menial busy clicks for repeated fuck scenes.
The only "fun" ones I found are actually porn mods for the likes of Fallout, The Elder Scroll (Skyrim), The Sims (4), even stardew valley. They are fun games first, then ppl making porn mods.

The charm of Lustful Desire is these amazing characters (art, writing, etc) and hot sex you encounter on your adventure - this itself is narrated, the "Gameplay" part sucks big ass.
But if they go back to this trend that just adding new random NPC that no one has attachment to, without actually progressing any of them so that ppl care, without ever bring closure to anything, then it's very worrisome.
The game stagnated for years because of that.

 

[UghSoAnnoying]

Lol add the Black Wolf and Yeti to that list, the former of which was seemingly dropped on the verge of its conclusion to boot.

The yeti and Arion are fighting for first place rn

 

[Mr. X]

The yeti and Arion are fighting for first place rn

Nah, first place gotta be the white druid thingy we meet once in the crossroads after finishing the road to Ste's farm. He shows up, says hello and disappears forever, never to be seen again

 

[Polarthief]

Lol add the Black Wolf and Yeti to that list, the former of which was seemingly dropped on the verge of its conclusion to boot.

Speaking of, even funnier that a NSFW Yeti sprite *EXISTS*, just for whatever reason, it's currently unused because Hyao never wrote a sex scene with him, which is beyond baffling to me.

 

[MingeMaster]

Speaking of, even funnier that a NSFW Yeti sprite *EXISTS*, just for whatever reason, it's currently unused because Hyao never wrote a sex scene with him, which is beyond baffling to me.

I have a strong suspicion that the Yeti subplot never went anywhere because it's probably tied to the Black Wolf stuff (his home village was in the snowy mountains) which is tied to Main Story stuff, so the main story going at a snail's pace is basically causing a chain reaction of content to be held up indefinitely lol.

 

[Hollowed Mist]

Nah, first place gotta be the white druid thingy we meet once in the crossroads after finishing the road to Ste's farm. He shows up, says hello and disappears forever, never to be seen again

He is a guest-written character, so is Arion, I think. Characters like that prolly won't have character progressions.

 

[zz8888]

so is Arion, I think.

Perfect example of what people are saying. There's an entire WIP dialogue branch with Blake the features Arion that will seemingly never be resolved and probably has very little to do with the main plot threads.

 

[Woozieydreamer]

I have a strong suspicion that the Yeti subplot never went anywhere because it's probably tied to the Black Wolf stuff (his home village was in the snowy mountains) which is tied to Main Story stuff, so the main story going at a snail's pace is basically causing a chain reaction of content to be held up indefinitely lol.

It's a cascading failure of event progression. Amazing.