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KuraDKuruta

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The only problem I have with Narram is his inconsistency with the quality of his arts. Dude gotta stop trying to mimic ZoroJ's style/color palette and using his own because his art is really good imo. It's a shame.
 

Zorrscha

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Ah okay, my bad.



Saying stuff like "Hyao is cheap for hiring another artist over ZoroJ", which is not only blatantly false on two fronts, it's just rude, or saying how "Narram's art is shit", is not in any way constructive or useful.

Asking what's going on with ZoroJ or pointing out how some things are incorrect (not "shit") with the art (e.g., the boar having a bat nose) is constructive.



There's a difference between needing a safe space because you're a precious snowflake and people blasting you (non-constructively) for your project when it's literally free to play.



The post didn't explicitly state the quality of Narram's art, just that there were comparisons to ZoroJ and asking if ZoroJ's gone for good. From the sounds of it, very little was constructive and a lot was demands for ZoroJ and/or saying Narram's art is bad ("X is bad" != constructive).
Hyao as a content creator should be able to handle criticism but you're talking like they are actually here. Narram is just downgrade when compared to ZoroJ and it's a bit silly to not expect people to talk out about it, especially for the people who have stuck with Hyao/ZoroJ since the start. There was better choices to be made in terms of direction such as focusing on existing characters THAT wouldn't have required a new artist and probably would of made lots of people more happy as we have been waiting for the main story for ages.
 
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nitobe-san

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Hyao as a content creator should be able to handle criticism but you're talking like they are actually here. Narram is just downgrade when compared to ZoroJ and it's a bit silly to not expect people to talk out about it, especially for the people who have stuck with Hyao/ZoroJ since the start. There was better choices to be made in terms of direction such as focusing on existing characters THAT wouldn't have required a new artist and probably would of made lots of people more happy as we have been waiting for the main story for ages.
Creators lurk around this site a lot. I wouldn't be surprised if Hyao or Narram themselves have read what you post. I wouldn't be surprised if other people have screenshotted stuff here and sent it to the creators through discord. Hell, I remember that happening in the morenatsu fan translation forums with screenshots posted on 4chan.

But of course, Hyao has the discretion to take our unsolicited criticism since we're not paying for his work. There's probably some people here who are patreon supporters who come here to complain because they probably can't complain in the discord.
 
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MuskyGorilla

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Lmao it's literally one of the worst VN just with that disgustingly ugly MC alone
Not to mention some routes Coach poor storytelling.

The porn CGs are really good though. The only reason I finished Grifter's route.
Man idk why everyone hates EA because of that, I don't mind the MC too much he's not that bad. Coach's route sucks tho every other route is orders of magnitude better.

Coach's route I'd argue borders on satire/commentary because it's so dumb. "I have depression and it's totally not your responsibility except you're literally the only thing stopping me from quitting my job and letting the car drift off the highway into the Arizona Desert like that one scene in Breaking Bad and also you're just going to have to live with the fact that I still definitely haven't moved on from my literal psychopath ex-wife lmaoo because I 'still think there's a chance she'll forgive me'."

All the other characters have reasonably mature/nuanced issues, Coach's feels like a fanfic. at least he's hot
 
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haceous

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Also the continous excessive mentions of "My Wolf" in FBTW. :ROFLMAO:
I tough I was the only one annoyed by that, whenever I play that game I feel like I'm whore who will do anything for said "my wolf" for goodness sake at this point in the story were walking around in a dress and a collar and you have no say in that, the "game" just shoves everything into you and not a single choice matters
 
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I tough I was the only one annoyed by that, whenever I play that game I feel like I'm whore who will do anything for said "my wolf" for goodness sake at this point in the story were walking around in a dress and a collar and you have no say in that, the "game" just shoves everything into you and not a single choice matters
Which is why I don't play fbtw anymore, that and the clear abusive relationship between both of them.
 
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shinyboy64

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Looks like the constant complaining here has finally reached Hyao.

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Yeah, but he doesn't plan on heard the main complain of why people do complain and blame it on the other way: It is the Discord "help" on his project that it is ruining the game.
And now he comes as "A Writer Game"? Lets be here very honest people: Why you played the game? For the writing or for get horny about big muscle guys in heat?
 
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Zorrscha

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Looks like the constant complaining here has finally reached Hyao.

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It's a good thing he is finally doing something and it isn't because of what was said here as not many people here are "Supporting" him, must have been brought up a lot on Discord since that's the only people he notices.
 

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Looks like the constant complaining here has finally reached Hyao.

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If I were to guess, I'd say this is warning 1. And that's me assuming he has some constitution to his patience. I get that people are frustrated and have issues with the game, but if everyone keeps tearing his game a new asshole then we'll be lucky to even have it by the end of the year.

Game makers and comic makers have limits. If more people are complaining constantly about a game than not, they'll just stop. It's fine to be irked by it, but he probably gets 5K complains a week, everybody wants him to hear THEIR compliant and they MUST tell him how much he sucks, he's going to get sick of it eventually. Then we'll lose the project. And then nobody wins.
 

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A warning of what?
Once. I'm a fan of a well-known rock band. because one day They change genres, and people dislike it. also myself. However, I am not serious. since I am also moving on
If they cease to be an artist, I will find another. This is not the only VN game in the world. Shit is Shit. Gold is Gold. I've mentioned that this is the best VN game I've ever played, till one day I quit supporting it and playing it since they only focus on one side of the target, not in the middle. And if it ends soon since it's becoming worse. It became a legend that it was once the best because it was true. and due to the fact that the game is now shit! According to the comments in the thread, I'm not the only one who thinks and says this.
I don't mind saying goodbye and moving on. Nevertheless, we are here because we like the game.
Make sense now? Sound constructive criticism now?
Who is going to be stuck on something forever?
 

nackedsnake

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Looks like the constant complaining here has finally reached Hyao.

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I was actually worried that ZoroJ and Hyao is having real life difficulties, but it seems it's not the case, from the sound of it;
  • ZoroJ is moving onto next stage of his life (even not quit he will likely not return for full participation)
  • Hyao is just struggle as a creator
It's assuring for their well-being, but in the meantime this also means LD won't get better anytime soon :(
If I were to guess, I'd say this is warning 1. And that's me assuming he has some constitution to his patience. I get that people are frustrated and have issues with the game, but if everyone keeps tearing his game a new asshole then we'll be lucky to even have it by the end of the year.

Game makers and comic makers have limits. If more people are complaining constantly about a game than not, they'll just stop. It's fine to be irked by it, but he probably gets 5K complains a week, everybody wants him to hear THEIR compliant and they MUST tell him how much he sucks, he's going to get sick of it eventually. Then we'll lose the project. And then nobody wins.
  • You are exaggerating on the "complain" part, which only make the situation worse;
  • I also don't get why you are insisting treating content creators as "Rose in the Glass", if there're way more complains than supports to keep the it going, maybe cuz those projects are not meant to be? In that case, Maybe it's better they just move on, that's for everyone's sake.
    • And Hyao is definitely not this case, he surely can deliver a good game + handle the pressure
  • Trying to prevent people complaining is really pointless. As I said before, people complain for a reason. What is constructive, is you go to give supports to the creators to keep them going.
 
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Lastiozo

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What people in here think constructive criticism is is laughable. Complaining in and of itself is not constructive criticism. Making up stories and narratives is not constructive criticism. Saying something is shit, is not constructive criticism.

saying, “hey, I don’t like this, maybe try this instead”.

Or, “hey, we prefer the older style to the new style”.

maybe, “x isn’t working, y worked for other people”.

Not, “this is shit… fix it”

oh, and paying for a subscription is support, not criticism.
 

SPACE!man

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A warning of what?
Once. I'm a fan of a well-known rock band. because one day They change genres, and people dislike it. also myself. However, I am not serious. since I am also moving on
If they cease to be an artist, I will find another. This is not the only VN game in the world. Shit is Shit. Gold is Gold. I've mentioned that this is the best VN game I've ever played, till one day I quit supporting it and playing it since they only focus on one side of the target, not in the middle. And if it ends soon since it's becoming worse. It became a legend that it was once the best because it was true. and due to the fact that the game is now shit! According to the comments in the thread, I'm not the only one who thinks and says this.
I don't mind saying goodbye and moving on. Nevertheless, we are here because we like the game.
Make sense now? Sound constructive criticism now?
Who is going to be stuck on something forever?
I was actually worried that ZoroJ and Hyao is having real life difficulties, but it seems it's not the case, from the sound of it;
  • ZoroJ is moving onto next stage of his life (even not quit he will likely not return for full participation)
  • Hyao is just struggle as a creator
It's assuring for their well-being, but in the meantime this also means LD won't get better anytime soon :(

  • You are exaggerating on the "complain" part, which only make the situation worse;
  • I also don't get why you are insisting treating content creators as "Rose in the Glass", if there're way more complains than supports to keep the it going, maybe cuz those projects are not meant to be? In that case, Maybe it's better they just move on, that's for everyone's sake.
    • And Hyao is definitely not this case, he surely can deliver a good game + handle the pressure
  • Trying to prevent people complaining is really pointless. As I said before, people complain for a reason. What is constructive, is you go to give supports to the creators to keep them going.
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No idea why I was so acting up for something that's not about me.
And this argument is really pointless, as we are not discussing different POVs (which is already very obvious from the first comments), but trying to convincing polar poles, Saltily.
Thus I'm totally out of it, and Apologise for not reading your long essay.
 

SPACE!man

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No idea why I was so acting up for something that's not about me.
And this argument is really pointless, as we are not discussing different POVs (which is already very obvious from the first comments), but trying to convincing polar poles, Saltily.
Thus I'm totally out of it, and Apologise for not reading your long essay.
It's fine, man, this entire thread has been a clusterfuck for a while now, so you not reading it and the topic being dropped is something I really don't mind. It's cool. ^^
 
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So... I said I didn't like Narram style... until I played the game yesterday and found the sprites done by him, man they ain't bad at all lol, they are quite hot, beefy and can match with the ones made by Zoroj tbh, so yeah I regret and owe an apologize to Narram
 
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So... I said I didn't like Narram style... until I played the game yesterday and found the sprites done by him, man they ain't bad at all lol, they are quite hot, beefy and can match with the ones made by Zoroj tbh, so yeah I regret and owe an apologize to Narram
The only sprite by narram i really have a problem with is the bearmanbeast one mostly because the head looks like it was stiched to his chest man has no neck and the color palette of the beast inn keeper it looks very odd and unpleasing but like i said earlier in the thread the less narram tries to mimic ZoroJ's style the better narrams art is.
 
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