Whenever Hyao can stop sucking up to patrons and pull his head out of his ass and start actually developing any meaningful content from the many other areas/routes he's left abandoned, maybe? Though it doesn't look likely anytime soon. Don't get your hopes up, is my advice.
I want to be clear I'm not a fanboy defending Narram. I do think his art is serviceable, but it's definitely weird in plenty of places. I just think calling Hyao cheap for going with him over ZoroJ (if that's even accurate) is over the top and people are tearing into this like it's supposed to be an immaculate work of art. I just excuse a lot of the weird stuff because:All these "Mindless" fanboy are defending something they don't even understand - but that's how fanboy work I guess, arguing without any legitimate reason.
You might not have the knowledge about anatomy or shading. But anyone with common sense know you don't do colouring like that.
When the guest writer makes more.
Arion is...
I'm actually here for the drama, and the free content.
Oh, I see. I thought he was going to remain the rat king's property. Thanks for your answer.
If you haven't started playing through it before and you like burly bara men (super muscular and/or chubby), then it's definitely worth playing. There's currently a substantial amount of content for you to get to once you get to the newer more dubious stuff, or once you start feeling the content drought.
i just tossed a bunch of love potions at the gorilla in battle then used a lust potion enhanced seemed to do the trick
that face is ugly as f***
That's fair. Guess I just skipped as there are lots of nonsensical comments like "you get it for free so stop talking" or "if you don't like why don't you draw yourself"
Everything is in agreement.That's fair. Guess I just skipped as there are lots of nonsensical comments like "you get it for free so stop talking" or "if you don't like why don't you draw yourself"
I do agree we shouldn't beating / flaming Hyao or Narram in anyway. We (at least me) hv no idea what they are going thru, and if it's about money, developing good games cost a lot of money, besides it's quite difficult.
And I'm just here to talk about the game/updates, not really thinking about criticise to the devs. (I bet many are like me).
- Unless they are straight up scammers like creators of Blackgate / Cloud Meadow. But they are not.
- Wether ZoroJ come back or not, the game needs to keep going, and in my eye Hyao does make efforts, such as using Narram
- But I'm confused why he keep adding rabbit holes without filling any previous ones.
- The quality of Narram's arts is very inconsistent, and the latest addition is a disaster
- Again, confused why he does that, the sketches are more than OK
- The arts are very important to this game, like no matter how big this new update is, those ugly arts instantly killed the mood for many
As I didn't invested into their Discord/Development in anyway, going there to negatively talk about an update is just as a random Rant, especially when you don't know how Hyao or Narram will react to it.
Your "If you want to see anything change, talk to Hyao, Narram" sounds all good and dandy, but it doesn't really work that way.
If it's that simple, things would already be different by now given how long this situation already lasted. We couldn't be the only ones that has suggestions/criticises.
Unless around their development circle there're only "fanboys" without any critical thinking abilities
when they get straight people to draw it. so maybe later, later
I guess another way for it to change is for people who are investing find out how terrible these drawings are and start canceling their subscriptions.That's fair. Guess I just skipped as there are lots of nonsensical comments like "you get it for free so stop talking" or "if you don't like why don't you draw yourself"
I do agree we shouldn't beating / flaming Hyao or Narram in anyway. We (at least me) hv no idea what they are going thru, and if it's about money, developing good games cost a lot of money, besides it's quite difficult.
And I'm just here to talk about the game/updates, not really thinking about criticise to the devs. (I bet many are like me).
- Unless they are straight up scammers like creators of Blackgate / Cloud Meadow. But they are not.
- Wether ZoroJ come back or not, the game needs to keep going, and in my eye Hyao does make efforts, such as using Narram
- But I'm confused why he keep adding rabbit holes without filling any previous ones.
- The quality of Narram's arts is very inconsistent, and the latest addition is a disaster
- Again, confused why he does that, the sketches are more than OK
- The arts are very important to this game, like no matter how big this new update is, those ugly arts instantly killed the mood for many
As I didn't invested into their Discord/Development in anyway, going there to negatively talk about an update is just as a random Rant, especially when you don't know how Hyao or Narram will react to it.
Your "If you want to see anything change, talk to Hyao, Narram" sounds all good and dandy, but it doesn't really work that way.
If it's that simple, things would already be different by now given how long this situation already lasted. We couldn't be the only ones that has suggestions/criticises.
Unless around their development circle there're only "fanboys" without any critical thinking abilities
Narram isn't ZoroJ he need's to stop trying to be ZoroJ that color pallet is hideous and the body buffness needs to be toned down a tad otherwise the character design is fine imo.
I mean, I'm half-and-half on it. People who play for free are definitely right to criticize, but just saying "NARRAM SUCKS, HYAO'S A CHEAPSKATE, GIVE US ZOROJ BACK!" is just pure entitlement and nothing more. Honestly even if you pay a buck a month, it's still pretty entitled. There's a way to add constructive criticism without being a jackass, and a lot of people in here would rather just bitch on an unrelated site instead of trying to get something they clearly care about to some extent, fixed.That's fair. Guess I just skipped as there are lots of nonsensical comments like "you get it for free so stop talking" or "if you don't like why don't you draw yourself"
+1 for
Yeah I have no idea what happened there. My best guess is that Hyao definitely wants an artist to draw ferals (since there's a handful of them) and ZoroJ refuses to do ferals (Werewolves were probably the furthest he'd go, especially considering Alpha WW and the other two WWs who I'm not gonna say cuz spoilers and I'm too lazy to figure out how the spoiler button works, were kinda feral-ish). Whether he's gone for good or not, Narram is the artist now and people need to understand that. Send critique (CONSTRUCTIVELY!) if you want to see change.
Oh no yeah that's one point of criticism I 100% agree with. Rather than continue to add new places, finish what you have started. So much in the Mulberry cave was WIP for so long and it made no sense. We now have the Brothel in Northcrest with one scene (that I'm not even a fan of) and nothing else. The new Island Inn has one intro scene and nothing else and will likely go awhile without any addition. If it's because he needs to introduce some new character for that, maybe hold off on that content entirely before showing the character.
I can't really comment because I'm not too picky in that regard (considering it's still better than like 95% of other gams I play that either have bad/no art, or just steals art without asking), plus I don't care too much about the art. Hell I'm fine playing Flexible Survival and just doing my business with the text. That said, I still think sending constructive feedback would be the best approach as it's good feedback to send. Narram clearly isn't a bad artist, there's just inconsistencies. Remember: many people being an asshole to Narram (or Hyao) would only result in either being blocked or shutting them down so much that they just want to stop doing the project.
I'm actually in the discord, though I mostly lurk or hang out in their "other NSFW games" channel to get more games to play. I haven't seen much critique, if any, but I'm also not really searching for it. It's entirely possible people haven't given fair critique (and knowing the internet, I'd be willing to bet the majority of people who give "criticism" are the ones similar to in here who are just bitching and saying Hyao is cheap and Narram sucks compared to ZoroJ, and of course no one is going to listen to that. No one wants to give an asshole the time of day). I don't know and I'm not claiming to know, all I'm saying is you'll never know if you don't try or at least see if anyone else has tried.Your "If you want to see anything change, talk to Hyao, Narram" sounds all good and dandy, but it doesn't really work that way.
If it's that simple, things would already be different by now given how long this situation already lasted. We couldn't be the only ones that has suggestions/criticises.
Unless around their development circle there're only "fanboys" without any critical thinking abilities
You're asking for female characters in an almost-universally gay game? You should be lucky you have the Nymph, Othra, and Vicoria to begin with. Seriously, if you're here for the straight content, you should just find another game as this one isn't for you. You have like 50x the amount of games that we gays have.
I"m not sure "speaking with your wallet" works, as I don't think Hyao is running it as a business / his major income?when they get straight people to draw it. so maybe later, later
I guess another way for it to change is for people who are investing find out how terrible these drawings are and start canceling their subscriptions.
Not being a downer but I for one like good and decent art, but this game is like a sinking ship and it's filling fast.
Hopefully something happens and things change, or I might end up finding something else to fund and let someone else pick up on this one
, and LD doesn't looks like one either.But how I've tried everything, I've set toa free and collected all the plate but I still can't find the route
