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Frenzyyy

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Black wolf (Beta) has something to do with Everett cause in Stan's stream yesterday, he shows the uncropped version of Everett in Armour, which is a part of incoming Update, he's doing a CG involves Beta fucking Everett.

We getting CG in every update, I learned that Stan insist of adding at least One CG per update to hyao. He takes the initiative, he did not demand hyao to pay for the artwork, in fact he's doing it for free. But hyao insisting of paying for it. So Stan just gave him fair prices. (If hyao couldn't afford it since he couldn't accept the CG for free.) He also said that he was invested in the game and likes to create more CG in the future, fill the void when the last artist left.

One in plans (CG in future) is the 2 Scene of BLogan X Ste depending what you choose to peak in Ste's bedroom. :))
 

MingeMaster

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Tbh I'm tired too, like "mmm'kay what am I supposed to do with that backstory?"
Yeah lol, I really love the Black Wolf stuff, and I get that a little literary edging (so to speak) can make the conclusion all the sweeter, but at this point I do feel like it's starting to drag and I really hope we can finally just cure him and actually meet him for real in the next patch.
 

nackedsnake

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The game is definitely biased when it comes to sexual roles and even gender. Since the very beginning when the game came out you could tell Hyao's preferred POV was submissive male bottom. Most guest writers also are inclined to write this way. Even when playing as a female character and having a vagina you can see the game prioritizes anal sex and it's almost exactly as the bottom male dialogue. Plus many of Hyao's Patreons prefer bottom content. And it's really common with this type of games where romanceable characters are super masculine. They will give you the option to top but art and dialogue will always be better as a bottom.

The like and dislike system also plays against top players because many characters have this super macho man attitude and alpha male personality, obviously someone this dominant wouldn't bottom, and if they do they will not be happy about it because is more ''masculine'' giving dick than taking it. Sabal, Arion, any of the orc characters, the bandits and mercenaries, the lizards, the dwarfs, the soldiers, the werewolves, they all come from tribes, groups or spaces where you need to be strong and dominant so they will present themselves with big dick energy by default. While bottom characters don't present themselves like that. Scrap is the only wererat in the whole Junkyard that doesn't think about sex 24/7, Tao comes from a tribe of peaceful scholars, Everett hides that he's a bottom and you need to catch him first while Booner is fucking him to unlock more dialogue about it, even BLogan needs to get gangraped by bandits to break that 'tough guy' personality. Also look at the male/female character ratio.

I have played as a top, a bottom, a woman and the faithful Logan route, now I only have bottom. If you top enemies they hate you, if you defeat them in battle by just fighting without seducing them they hate you, playing as a female character is basically the exact same as a bottom except one or two characters will be more inclined to fuck you but you would't be able to top anyone ever. And the fact that the game has so many story branches doesn't help much either.

Edit. Forgot to mention that guest characters also tent to be tops in their original games so they will most likely mantain their role.
Female is never the focus, It's like an afterthought as the Bottom MC bias very convenient for addin' a female MC.
But The Hero (Top) / Slut (Bottom) fame system falls off very quick, and it really feels stupid at this point.

In a perfect world,
If you Play Hero (Top), you beat shit out of enemies, and choose to fuck whomever you want whenever you like. (This is likely what the other "Strictly Top player" wish to happen)
If you are faithful Logan, you should have more Logan in your life.
Only when you play Slut (Bottom), NPCs start to take initiatives.
(Not sure about female tho since LD is a male focused game after-all).

BUT the fact is, you are gutter yourself of loads of contents if you are not playing a bottom MC.
Even when there's rare Top MC elusive, you can just drink a top potion to see the scenes, without changing any dynamics at all.

Unfortunately, this is Never (and will Not become) that game.
And IMO it already has way better meaningful variety than most other games.
Many NPCs hv rich characters, dynamic personalities, interesting interactions, and many are not player-sexual / or just another cookie-cutter sex machine.
(Not sure where's your "Many hv super macho man attitude and alpha male personality" comes from, there's literally only a few)
 
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nackedsnake

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Black wolf (Beta) has something to do with Everett cause in Stan's stream yesterday, he shows the uncropped version of Everett in Armour, which is a part of incoming Update, he's doing a CG involves Beta fucking Everett.

We getting CG in every update, I learned that Stan insist of adding at least One CG per update to hyao. He takes the initiative, he did not demand hyao to pay for the artwork, in fact he's doing it for free. But hyao insisting of paying for it. So Stan just gave him fair prices. (If hyao couldn't afford it since he couldn't accept the CG for free.) He also said that he was invested in the game and likes to create more CG in the future, fill the void when the last artist left.

One in plans (CG in future) is the 2 Scene of BLogan X Ste depending what you choose to peak in Ste's bedroom. :))
IIRC someone said StanG doen't stay in one project for long?
But from what you said, feels like StanG wish to be something more long term?
Wonder if this is what the early days when Hyao and ZoroJ working together be like.

At any rate, Glad StanG is working as part of the team, instead of just a commission artist (it never works well for non-gacha games).
Well, enjoy while it last and when over be glad it happened. :D
 

Frenzyyy

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IIRC someone said StanG doen't stay in one project for long?
But from what you said, feels like StanG wish to be something more long term?
Wonder if this is what the early days when Hyao and ZoroJ working together be like.

At any rate, Glad StanG is working as part of the team, instead of just a commission artist (it never works well for non-gacha games).
Well, enjoy while it last and when over be glad it happened. :D
Rest assured I already ask him about that and here's some proof. And Glad he's stepping in to become as artist for the game.

Hope this satisfied your curiousity
 
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Uu4

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You are shouting at the cloud man.

This game has a MC Bottom bias since day 1, even tho not very overt like many others,
and it will stay that way, no matter how many Top MC contents will be added.

If you think this Game "SHOULD" be the way you want it to be, why not make a game yourself?
In fact, No game will ever be exactly what you want, unless you are the one making it.
If you can't, angriling ranting won't change anything.
This game will NEVER be the one you want.
Okay, but then that just raise question, like why didi the game have to add role, if it meant nothing, I'm not even fighting or demanding it
 
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Okay, but then that just raise question, like why didi the game have to add role, if it meant nothing, I'm not even fighting or demanding it
to choose a route and stick to that route maybe, altough a lot of foes dont have a sexscene based on the role at winning them
 

nackedsnake

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Rest assured I already ask him about that and here's some proof. And Glad he's stepping in to become as artist for the game.

Hope this satisfied your curiousity
Lol, not sure if he'd still be so confident if LD drags on for another 6 years.
But IMO that's quite a good turn of events. If the devs are all having the drive, it'll significantly improve the game.
Really wish they could find the best synergy.

Okay, but then that just raise question, like why didi the game have to add role, if it meant nothing, I'm not even fighting or demanding it
Textbook example "Scope Creep".
The idea is very cool and would be great if it works out (Like the example I gave),
BUT It's very complicated / difficult to create multiple distinctive paths, where your choice really matters.

This is extremely true for inexperienced indie devs on a years long project, someone like Hyao when LD is his only game, There are so many failed ideas and messed up stuff.
 
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ElBaboon

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not really sure what you mean by detailed walk through as there is an ingame guide and the game itself is fairly straight forward.
I wouldn't say the game is straightforward. First of all, there are only four locations available. House, road, village and forest. I have no idea how to unlock the rest. Secondly, the enemies are too strong for some unknown reason - even wolves are extremely difficult to defeat, but they can kill you in a couple of hits, which is pretty stupid. That's why I'm asking for a walkthrough. Maybe I'm doing something wrong.
 

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I wouldn't say the game is straightforward. First of all, there are only four locations available. House, road, village and forest. I have no idea how to unlock the rest. Secondly, the enemies are too strong for some unknown reason - even wolves are extremely difficult to defeat, but they can kill you in a couple of hits, which is pretty stupid. That's why I'm asking for a walkthrough. Maybe I'm doing something wrong.
It might be your character build. I found ranged weapons to be really bad (at least in the early game). Focus on Strength first so you can do good melee damage in the early game. Also dodging is really OP in this game and allows you avoid almost every attack when you get it high enough so put points into Agility. Finally I put points into Appearance as well just to get the sexy scenes quickly (and some enemies are easier to beat with lust vs actually attacking them). But in the early game I'd focus on Strength + Agility for the most part and then some in Appearence. Make sure you always have lots of health potions to recover health and restrain potions to reduce lust. It's easy to farm the ingredients for both of these and make a ton with alchemy back home (you can pretty much cheese any battle in the game if you have tons of health and restrain potions on hand). Make sure you keep upgrading your equipment and doing side quests to get better equipment as equipment gives you a lot of nice bonus stats.
 

Uu4

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Lol, not sure if he'd still be so confident if LD drags on for another 6 years.
But IMO that's quite a good turn of events. If the devs are all having the drive, it'll significantly improve the game.
Really wish they could find the best synergy.


Textbook example "Scope Creep".
The idea is very cool and would be great if it works out (Like the example I gave),
BUT It's very complicated / difficult to create multiple distinctive paths, where your choice really matters.

This is extremely true for inexperienced indie devs on a years long project, someone like Hyao when LD is his only game, There are so many failed ideas and messed up stuff.
I know, but that what some are just critizing him for, to help the game improve more and became a better version of itself. That's why some says that there's issue in the game, like the game being too punishing to those that are top, and focusing way too much on the bottoms, focusing and creating so many event that he haven't finished that old outstanding ones e.g nameless, and not having more content on the existing characters of his, like Everett and many more. It's a rough road, but it gets better the more you focus on the issues. I'm sure that he could do it.
 
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