VN Ren'Py Onhold Maids and Maidens [v0.10.0] [Raybae Games]

[-CookieMonster666-]

Well, it was a fun ride. Very few games manage to return from that "it's not dead, I promise!" valley, but hey, at least he's being honest about it (instead of continuing to milk his patrons while giving vague "I'm working on it, new update sometime next month!" promises, like many other devs do).

It sounds to me just like he's got writer's block (or creator's block?). I obviously am not a mind reader, but I wouldn't jump immediately to the conclusion that this is basically abandoned. Every single developer is different. Even if 99 other developers all say the same thing and then abandon their games, there's no reason the 100th one couldn't bounce back and be just fine moving forward.

 

[Jabami Yumeko]

Abandoned

 

[-=CvokY=-]

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I'll just be honest with everyone here, for the last month or so, I have not worked on Maids and Maidens at all. I have just not enjoyed working on the game, and I have not been happy with where the game stands right now.

When I started working on this game back in 2020, I expected it to be done by now. I hoped I would be done with it by now and move onto other projects. I'm not blaming anyone else but myself for that. I have made the game more complicated than it needed to be, with too many characters and too many storylines. I thought I could handle it, but sometimes I just don't have the motivation to deal with it.

My revenue streams have also not grown in a substantial manner. Again, the blame is on nobody but me. The first impression is what matters the most in a crowded field, and I failed to make that first impression with my game. When I look back at some of the early renders I made, I want to throw my computer in the garbage. But none of this should matter to you. They are my own issues that I have to deal with. And I will deal with them. In the meantime, Patreon charges will remain paused.

I just hope I'm not burning bridges permanently with my supporters. I hope you all will be forgiving and keep supporting me the way you have done in the past.

I still love the characters I've created, and I won't abandon my girls. Maids and Maidens will return.

 

[welikeitdirty24]

I sure hope so. I really enjoyed this game and was looking forward to updates. The characters and the story are great and I felt invested in where everything was headed. I appreciate the honesty and it is hard to keep working on something when you feel the way you do. Just wanted to say that it stands out in a majorly positive way to me. And I'm sure that I'm not the only one that feels this way. Hope things turn around for you both with this game and life in general.

 

[Spamwise]

As someone who's been enjoying the game for free, I don't think I'm too good for honesty.

Games should please their fans, AND satisfy their creators, and that's always a hell of a balancing act.
Better to wait and create nothing than churn out something unimpressive.

 

[NeilDeku]

I love the fact that something interesting is always happening in the background when two characters are in conversation.

 

[Chucke1992]

Shame that the game is dead now, the characters were nice.

 

[BigBlob69]

This was such a good harem game, it's so sad on hold (and let's face it we'll be lucky if we ever see another update). If it was completed I can easily see it being one of my favourites. But yeah, it's a shame the funding wasn't there. The age of AVN devs making games with no expectation of income is gone, which makes sense given how people expect such a higher level of quality now. Honestly I thought the early renders were decent, much better than in other games. But people nowadays aren't willing to open their wallets for anything less than the highest quality visuals. Games with the highest quality visuals but substandard writing get more funding than the other way around, which in my opinion is silly. Yes there were too many girls, but that tendency seems to afflict the majority devs, unfortunately.

 

[taler]

Not too many girls, too many choices. The issue is that devs these days have never played properly made VNs in their life and don't know that conventions like routes and the standard number of choices there are in a game is standard for a reason. Adding even a couple of more choices explodes the amount of work you have to do and the complexity of the story and makes things impossible.

 

[johnmnf692]

Game is called Maids and Maidens, "Maidens" literally means "virgins", yet the main girls are all knocked up by other fucking dudes. Might as well call it step-dad simulator, but without the step-cest which that title would typically imply. Monumentally disappointing.

 

[Grizloy]

Not too many girls, too many choices. The issue is that devs these days have never played properly made VNs in their life and don't know that conventions like routes and the standard number of choices there are in a game is standard for a reason. Adding even a couple of more choices explodes the amount of work you have to do and the complexity of the story and makes things impossible.

Yeah, imagine trying to go outside of "standart" and make something better than basically a kinetic novel with "choose your route" type of choices. Imagine a game where choices are actually matter for the story (and not just "cum inside/outside"). Ewwww. Just ewwww.

 

[-CookieMonster666-]

Game is called Maids and Maidens, "Maidens" literally means "virgins", yet the main girls are all knocked up by other fucking dudes. Might as well call it step-dad simulator, but without the step-cest which that title would typically imply. Monumentally disappointing.

TBF, maiden hasn't been used to mean "a human female virgin" in a very long time. (The dictionary says that's an "archaic" use, meaning like 100+ years old or used to sound old, like thee or thou.) Realistically, here it just means an unmarried woman, often young. I highly doubt Raybae was trying to dip into old definitions to mean something that hasn't applied in a century or more.

 

[johnmnf692]

TBF, maiden hasn't been used to mean "a human female virgin" in a very long time. (The dictionary says that's an "archaic" use, meaning like 100+ years old or used to sound old, like thee or thou.) Realistically, here it just means an unmarried woman, often young. I highly doubt Raybae was trying to dip into old definitions to mean something that hasn't applied in a century or more.

One of the main girls is knocked up by some other dude, and married to him. Unwed means unmarried, maiden means virgin. You say that it's an archaic definition, but the word itself is archaic and not used regularly anymore, so that doesn't really mean anything. Also, the reason it was used to refer to women who were unwed is because they were, at least assumed to be, virgins. There have never been pregnant maidens or maidens with kids.

 

[taler]

Game is called Maids and Maidens, "Maidens" literally means "virgins", yet the main girls are all knocked up by other fucking dudes. Might as well call it step-dad simulator, but without the step-cest which that title would typically imply. Monumentally disappointing.

Honestly feel like the maiden here is meant to be ironic or something. Making a satirical point about how even maidens are in a post sexual revolution society.

 

[HentaiKami]

noun
noun: maiden; plural noun: maidens; noun: maiden over; plural noun: maiden overs

1. 1.
   archaic
   an unmarried girl or young woman.
   "two knights fought to win the hand of a fair maiden"

There's no problem with devs usage of the word, since game has plenty of young and/or unmarried ladies to go after. This is by the way definition given by multiple very respected dictionaries, like Merriam Webster. Now sure, historically speaking maidens tended to be virgins, since premarital sex was scandalous and considered sinful. But now days that kind of thinking is extremely backwards, especially for porn AVN.

 

[taler]

noun
noun: maiden; plural noun: maidens; noun: maiden over; plural noun: maiden overs

1. 1.
   archaic
   an unmarried girl or young woman.
   "two knights fought to win the hand of a fair maiden"

There's no problem with devs usage of the word, since game has plenty of young and/or unmarried ladies to go after. This is by the way definition given by multiple very respected dictionaries, like Merriam Webster. Now sure, historically speaking maidens tended to be virgins, since premarital sex was scandalous and considered sinful. But now days that kind of thinking is extremely backwards, especially for porn AVN.

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[HentaiKami]

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What's with the random openai link?

 

[-CookieMonster666-]

One of the main girls is knocked up by some other dude, and married to him. Unwed means unmarried, maiden means virgin. You say that it's an archaic definition, but the word itself is archaic and not used regularly anymore, so that doesn't really mean anything. Also, the reason it was used to refer to women who were unwed is because they were, at least assumed to be, virgins. There have never been pregnant maidens or maidens with kids.

Yeah, because "historically speaking" applies to "contemporarily speaking". Whatever. Both Hentai and I provided you with actual dictionary definitions. Just because you made an assumption doesn't mean you're right. And, BTW, dictionaries reflect what the usage of a word currently is. You can use Ye Olden Termes if you want, but it will just keep getting you responses like ours.

 

[johnmnf692]

Yeah, because "historically speaking" applies to "contemporarily speaking". Whatever. Both Hentai and I provided you with actual dictionary definitions. Just because you made an assumption doesn't mean you're right. And, BTW, dictionaries reflect what the usage of a word currently is. You can use Ye Olden Termes if you want, but it will just keep getting you responses like ours.
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When dictionaries define the word "literal" to mean "figurative", dictionary definitions don't mean anything.

 

[-CookieMonster666-]

When dictionaries define the word "literal" to mean "figurative", dictionary definitions don't mean anything.

As I said: "dictionaries reflect what the usage of a word currently is." In other words, what a dictionary shows is contemporary usage. Again, you can use a term in a way that hasn't been a thing for literally a century or more if you want to. You can also speak in Klingon everywhere online. That doesn't mean most folks will understand you.