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DatWanGai

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This is one of my biggest annoyances with NTR games as well. Assuming it isn't the worst kind of NTR game where you're stuck playing a worthless idiot MC, the player should be able to say 'fuck it I don't care about the forced heroine anyway, I'll pursue this more interesting character instead.' But no, most NTR writing is trash and the player is given little to no control over the MC's fate.
To be fair, player choice can destroy a NTR game unless you do it juuuuuuust right. The best way to go about it imo is having the MC being competent but not use to other women besides main heroine. Then you add in a second heroine who suddenly seem interested in MC, and while MC is distracted with this new girl the antagonist starts making moves on the main heroine.
The plot twist is that the second heroine is actually the lover of the antagonist who herself was stolen from her previous boyfriend by him and now due to her own weakness has a unjustified disdain towards happy couples.
At this point you just add mechanics that the more 2nd heroine distracts you, the more main heroine gets jealous and the more antagonist poisons her mind. Make it hard yet possible to fend off 2nd heroine advances and discover the antagonist getting closer to main heroine. Hell, you can even have it to where not only does the MC gets taken in by the 2nd heroine but fixes that broken mentality of hers and she truly falls for him or honestly seeks forgiveness from her ex making a bittersweet ending where the MC does lose heroine but he gained a ally instead and let that bleed over into NG+ where 2nd heroine isn't as aggressive, gives hints to the antagonist's plan and even helps you smooth out things with main heroine once done (of course keeping the fact that she and MC had a physical connection secret).

BUT that wouldn't work for this type of game, and honestly I wouldn't know what would while keeping it NTR themed without making MC either brain dead or a total wimp. At least, unless I had a bit of time.
 
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-brisingr-

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Hi friends, does anyone has a list of where can I get all the stones? or which quest do I need?
Currently I have 5 of these:
1. Emerald
2. Peridot
3. Moonstone
4. Amethyst
5. Diamond
 

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To be fair, player choice can destroy a NTR game unless you do it juuuuuuust right. The best way to go about it imo is having the MC being competent but not use to other women besides main heroine. Then you add in a second heroine who suddenly seem interested in MC, and while MC is distracted with this new girl the antagonist starts making moves on the main heroine.
The plot twist is that the second heroine is actually the lover of the antagonist who herself was stolen from her previous boyfriend by him and now due to her own weakness has a unjustified disdain towards happy couples.
At this point you just add mechanics that the more 2nd heroine distracts you, the more main heroine gets jealous and the more antagonist poisons her mind. Make it hard yet possible to fend off 2nd heroine advances and discover the antagonist getting closer to main heroine. Hell, you can even have it to where not only does the MC gets taken in by the 2nd heroine but fixes that broken mentality of hers and she truly falls for him or honestly seeks forgiveness from her ex making a bittersweet ending where the MC does lose heroine but he gained a ally instead and let that bleed over into NG+ where 2nd heroine isn't as aggressive, gives hints to the antagonist's plan and even helps you smooth out things with main heroine once done (of course keeping the fact that she and MC had a physical connection secret).

BUT that wouldn't work for this type of game, and honestly I wouldn't know what would while keeping it NTR themed without making MC either brain dead or a total wimp. At least, unless I had a bit of time.
Funny thing that if this was a VN nobody would be salty about the "forced" part. at the end of the day it's an NTR game from an NTR specialist and truth been told, if it gets people then it does something right.
The main issue is that the dev rushed to get this one out in incomplete state, for whatever reason and we relive the cyberpunk and no man's sky moments.
 

Welking

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Does the kirikiri engine support graphic layers?
I just saw the gallery on ge and did not expect to find character art with combination for each different piece clothing...
 

Welking

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That's good, as this opens it up to new equipment.
If dev wants to keep the girls generic for art asset's sake, then he can make up for it in equipment variation...
and potentially naughty stuff like sex toys, lust crest, shibari, red hand print or spank marks on her bum.
And then Max can make his remarks :p
 

Scud74

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I can't for the life of me figure out how the fuck I can get into the dessert zone, why the fuck this game has to be so complicated to navigate. I wasted already 21 hours and the guides and zone names don't help at all. Guide says "Go south through Seagull Town then through Brave Town then to Talha Desert and enter King's Tomb (18,12)" but I go south and the place is called South Coast Region and next to it is the Coast with a cave full of trolls fucking encounters every two steps and underground man, but I can't seem to get anywhere with the rock blocks on the doors.
 

Scud74

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To be fair, player choice can destroy a NTR game unless you do it juuuuuuust right. The best way to go about it imo is having the MC being competent but not use to other women besides main heroine. Then you add in a second heroine who suddenly seem interested in MC, and while MC is distracted with this new girl the antagonist starts making moves on the main heroine.
The plot twist is that the second heroine is actually the lover of the antagonist who herself was stolen from her previous boyfriend by him and now due to her own weakness has a unjustified disdain towards happy couples.
At this point you just add mechanics that the more 2nd heroine distracts you, the more main heroine gets jealous and the more antagonist poisons her mind. Make it hard yet possible to fend off 2nd heroine advances and discover the antagonist getting closer to main heroine. Hell, you can even have it to where not only does the MC gets taken in by the 2nd heroine but fixes that broken mentality of hers and she truly falls for him or honestly seeks forgiveness from her ex making a bittersweet ending where the MC does lose heroine but he gained a ally instead and let that bleed over into NG+ where 2nd heroine isn't as aggressive, gives hints to the antagonist's plan and even helps you smooth out things with main heroine once done (of course keeping the fact that she and MC had a physical connection secret).

BUT that wouldn't work for this type of game, and honestly I wouldn't know what would while keeping it NTR themed without making MC either brain dead or a total wimp. At least, unless I had a bit of time.
Let this man cook.
 

DatWanGai

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Funny thing that if this was a VN nobody would be salty about the "forced" part. at the end of the day it's an NTR game from an NTR specialist and truth been told, if it gets people then it does something right.
The main issue is that the dev rushed to get this one out in incomplete state, for whatever reason and we relive the cyberpunk and no man's sky moments.
For me, it's not the forced NTR part that kills it in a lot of NTR games....it's the fact that a lot of the time it is very poorly written and easily avoidable.
Like, do you know the dev Star's Dream? They mostly make NTRPGs using RPG maker. In most of their games, the NTR is a result of the player's actions or inactions. Except one, in that the NTR is forced. The only thing the player can do is either find out about it or remain clueless. This game was suppose to have a sequel but it didn't do well and it was scrapped. Why? Because of forced NTR? No, the written was just terrible. The heroine at first wanted nothing to do with the antagonist but she allows the antagonist to push her further and further into a relationship so that he, and I quote, "Don't rape her." Yeah. She promised to act in every way as his girlfriend if he promised not to rape her. AND she had MULTIPLE chances to end the farce as the very first NTR scene she could have called for help but didn't. MC even asked her what was wrong but she remained slient to "deal with it herself" and that ended with her allowing the antagonist to get away with more and more, have the whole school think they are dating when MC was her real boyfriend, and finally do what she originally didn't want him to do "Forced her into sex"
Mad props to the MC though, once he find out about their relationship he unalived the both of them and sought comfort from the 2nd heroine.
 
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_Grotest_

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I can't for the life of me figure out how the fuck I can get into the dessert zone, why the fuck this game has to be so complicated to navigate. I wasted already 21 hours and the guides and zone names don't help at all. Guide says "Go south through Seagull Town then through Brave Town then to Talha Desert and enter King's Tomb (18,12)" but I go south and the place is called South Coast Region and next to it is the Coast with a cave full of trolls fucking encounters every two steps and underground man, but I can't seem to get anywhere with the rock blocks on the doors.
Funny thing I had same annoying problem until I found that path to Dessert is on this coast just a few steps before you reach that cave:LOL:
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Lycorii

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I can't for the life of me figure out how the fuck I can get into the dessert zone, why the fuck this game has to be so complicated to navigate. I wasted already 21 hours and the guides and zone names don't help at all. Guide says "Go south through Seagull Town then through Brave Town then to Talha Desert and enter King's Tomb (18,12)" but I go south and the place is called South Coast Region and next to it is the Coast with a cave full of trolls fucking encounters every two steps and underground man, but I can't seem to get anywhere with the rock blocks on the doors.
Sorry, but yeah, what Grotest said above

Time to rewrite that segment......
 

MasterzCV

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Any chance for information about all key location, and how to get it?????

I'm entering water dragon temple and castle of darkness and somehow i'm lack some key especially golden key (I'm stuck at 7 out 12 gem HELP!).
 

_Grotest_

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Argh, I hate stumbling on the doors with these locks, I never know where the key to them is and if it's specific to this location 1755537869914.png
 
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shokutowa

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To be fair, player choice can destroy a NTR game unless you do it juuuuuuust right. The best way to go about it imo is having the MC being competent but not use to other women besides main heroine. Then you add in a second heroine who suddenly seem interested in MC, and while MC is distracted with this new girl the antagonist starts making moves on the main heroine.
The plot twist is that the second heroine is actually the lover of the antagonist who herself was stolen from her previous boyfriend by him and now due to her own weakness has a unjustified disdain towards happy couples.
At this point you just add mechanics that the more 2nd heroine distracts you, the more main heroine gets jealous and the more antagonist poisons her mind. Make it hard yet possible to fend off 2nd heroine advances and discover the antagonist getting closer to main heroine. Hell, you can even have it to where not only does the MC gets taken in by the 2nd heroine but fixes that broken mentality of hers and she truly falls for him or honestly seeks forgiveness from her ex making a bittersweet ending where the MC does lose heroine but he gained a ally instead and let that bleed over into NG+ where 2nd heroine isn't as aggressive, gives hints to the antagonist's plan and even helps you smooth out things with main heroine once done (of course keeping the fact that she and MC had a physical connection secret).

BUT that wouldn't work for this type of game, and honestly I wouldn't know what would while keeping it NTR themed without making MC either brain dead or a total wimp. At least, unless I had a bit of time.
Closest game ik that fit this description is rinatest
 

Lejosmon

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Does the story continue by completing certain quests or by the date? For example, can you get to the tournament with Hawk something after grinding endlessly and without even entered Polaris's temple?