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Hmm dunno about background affecting it. For me, I did a bit more digging with the console and found that somehow my Stormchild variable had been set even though I'm fairly certain I never saw her
I'm pretty sure she only appears once. If you happen to visit watery heights during a storm in the past and didn't purchase her, then she doesn't appear again.
 

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Hmm dunno about background affecting it. For me, I did a bit more digging with the console and found that somehow my Stormchild variable had been set even though I'm fairly certain I never saw her
You must've just forgotten.

It's not a guarantee that she spawns with high value/good stats, so maybe you just ignored a slave with bad stats.
 
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You must've just forgotten.

It's not a guarantee that she spawns with high value/good stats, so maybe you just ignored a slave with bad stats.
Possible, of course, but I have another suggestion that (if correct) solves at least my little dilemma. It goes like this:
I had been counting days I had to wait before going and buying Aria, whom I had decided to get and whom I knew I needed to set the main quest going. As it happened it was one good thunderstorm going that day and I paid not a single thought for stormchild, though I as an afterthought certainly should have considered her as well. So I bought Aria and forgot stormchild. Simple thing for a simpleton like me.
Perhaps, just perhaps, something along those lines could happen for reasonable folks as well.

Thanks for Zarkhy, Phoexist, chaosiv and megamanx06 for answering and solving this riddle for me.
 

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Not long ago I wrote here a long rant about the Dengi invsion..

At the end of the rant

Notice that I´m NOT complaining about being unable to defeat the Dengi King. That´s perfectly fine, I have not trained like a psycho, and If Grimdark wants to put something that it´s a challenge for the most extreme gung-ho players, that´s fine.

But give me an alternative path!!.

I have expend 270 hour raising Aria Academic to 80 and Administrative to 100. Enough to make 130 training sessions. Bismark with tits, I call her, but now she is completely inactive, showing the same brain power as an artichoke, doing nothing.

We have an army of cannibals menacing to destroy Ikaanos.

Aux Armes, citoyens!
Formez vos Bataillons!
Marchons, marchons!!!

Where is the Republic decree of "levee en masse"? The "We take a loan to raise a company or tanks"? The "Honey, Can you spare to me a million and a thousand rifles to give a nice 1000$ flat bonus and weapons to anyone who join the ranks?"

I have no Strengh or Dextry to talk about, But I have maxed Charm and Manipulation..

Where is the chance to strike deals with the different factions of Ikaanos? Not for free, of course, they can ask for a slice of power in return-. The Two moons church have 950 fighters, The Mosque 650, Kimantos 460, Scandi 460, Cyker House 1250, The underlworld, close to 12000.

And all of them are holding hands waiting to be converted in meat in a Dengi soup cauldron? Makes THIS any sense?

I only can hope that the Dengi invasion, as is NOW, it´s just an unfinished project with half a side to be worked about.
Well, seems that I was just impatient. From the discord and the features in the next 8.4 version...

**Faction changes/new features**

- If The Republic is at war (Confederation, Red Tide, Dengi Invasion) or if Aria is Chancellor, you can now donate money at Town Hall to build powerful regiments of up to 1,000 men. Doing this will give you big Standing and Influence boosts as well as permanently increase your Power Value. You can only sponsor the republic this way up to a maximum of 15,000 men and you also need a Power Value that's 25+ or 15,000+ Influence.
- Both the Second and Third Republic will now purchase soldiers (between 25-100/day, 25% chance) if their soldier count is below 10,000 and if they have enough cash ($100k+). A purchase costs between $6,000-$10,000 and will deplete the republic's funds accordingly.
 

Bob89rt

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What was the point of the Aria missions if you complete the Kymanto Hall mission? Does she return.

What was the point of the Kymanto Hall mission. Obviously you were tasked with it first. Aria a disobedient slave is not the hallmark of civilisation? But perhaps you might choose her standing. Why would you? In any case. If you sell her, is it done? As opposed to let's follow the feminist's women empowerment or some shit? Literally what following Aria is, her little rebel mission to take down the patriarchy.
 

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What was the point of the Aria missions if you complete the Kymanto Hall mission? Does she return.

What was the point of the Kymanto Hall mission. Obviously you were tasked with it first. Aria a disobedient slave is not the hallmark of civilisation? But perhaps you might choose her standing. Why would you? In any case. If you sell her, is it done? As opposed to let's follow the feminist's women empowerment or some shit? Literally what following Aria is, her little rebel mission to take down the patriarchy.
Yep, your choices are to help her or to train and sell her.

Helping her is a fully fleshed out storyline, selling her is not (yet at least).
 
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Yep, your choices are to help her or to train and sell her.

Helping her is a fully fleshed out storyline, selling her is not (yet at least).
Tediously. I see little point in making her chancellor. I guess I'll wait for new content. Not about to put an 18 year old in charge of the republic.
 

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Tediously. I see little point in making her chancellor. I guess I'll wait for new content. Not about to put an 18 year old in charge of the republic.
The point, from an in character perspective depends a lot on what you are trying to achieve.

If your character is an idealist, then obviously they are doing this to bring out a better and more equitable republic, this is obviously very naïve, but even if you go through with it, only outright slavery is outlawed, keeping people as as servants is fine, so it isn't like our protagonist is losing much if they are already fabulously wealthy, and more importantly, having been instrumental to the success of a new regime is useful in many ways even if you are not assuming control directly.

However, if you go other paths, such as making Aria completely willless, or entirely corrupt, then it is easy to use the transition of power to put oneself in place as the power behind the throne, your character goes from just being a particularly powerful landholder in Redhaven to having significant influence over the chancellor themselves, a massive boon to say the least, especially when it allows you to help shape the republic to better suit your needs.

Either route obviously is improved further by the main character having a good loving relationship with Aria, very much improving the power behind the throne aspect of the whole matter if she is in love with the protagonist. Her being your wife essentially means putting your own dynasty in power over Ikaanos, which is a massive coup politically speaking.

Of course, that's all in character/roleplay perspective.

From a gameplay perspective, completing Aria's questline gives you massive faction relations with the Third Republic, access to an honorary title (basically giving you the benefits of a nominal government position without the obligations) and Aria's stats depending on how you trained her helps to reshape the republic through events, which can be a boon to certain playstyles who prefer the political stats to be at certain levels, as well as more niche fringe benefits like regular access to certain free supplies, a statue in your yard which gives bonuses, etc. You also get access to an additional mini questline dealing with the after effects of the revolution and the death throes of the previous government. So y'know, more content to play with.
 

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storm weather

Code:
<<if $stormchild is undefined and _nocapt isnot true and $weatherroll lte 1>>

and

<<if $weatherroll is 1>><div class="red">A storm rages outside!</div><br><br>Heavy gusts of wind and rain are pounding the windows. It's not wise to leave your home right now.<</if>>
Saw that in the code. The wiki specifically says NOT a normal storm though, so I guess the wiki is wrong?

"Stormchild" (name randomly generated) is a slave who can be found for purchased at auction at during or immediately after an unusually severe electrical storm (e.g. a "stormwave"; not a normal storm or a hurricane).
 

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Tediously. I see little point in making her chancellor. I guess I'll wait for new content. Not about to put an 18 year old in charge of the republic.
You are missing the point. You put an 18 years old as a Chancellor. But you will be the man quietly behind the throne, whispering things in her ear
 
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Bob89rt

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She's got the feminist trait as standard. You help an 18 year old remove the patriarchy, because of feminism, and you empower a woman.

What went into his head as he did that? I refuse to play her mission. I'm Kymanto. Evil.

About the same time he made male prostitutes with the strip feature? Ugh. Master's of? I am confused on where it's headed. I'll await an update, or my time is truly wasted on the propaganda.
 
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You are missing the point. You put an 18 years old as a Chancellor. But you will be the man quietly behind the throne, whispering things in her ear
You're missing the point of a toxic layer of propaganda aimed where? I am not over thinking it. I won't play it. I was happy in my station, it was perfect. Until that was inserted. I would've preferred to seize it myself not play puppet to a whore.
 
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She's got the feminist trait as standard. You help an 18 year old remove the patriarchy, because of feminism, and you empower a woman.
Not all that hard to get it off of her. Just requires high corruption and a bit of patience. Or lots of bondage sex. Mine is at 100 corruption. Putting her "in charge" can be plenty "evil" if you want it to be
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Not all that hard to get it off of her. Just requires high corruption and a bit of patience. Or lots of bondage sex. Mine is at 100 corruption. Putting her "in charge" can be plenty "evil" if you want it to be
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No, in charge, why on Earth would you do it? Logic not propaganda? You have the same station only now you're under a woman. An 18 year old a slave you were supposed to train into a whore. The whore offered a better prospect.

It's funny how you defend it. You would that investment. I hadn't played it yet. none of the content since last year March. It gave me a choice. One choice hasn't been thought through. There's only her choice, it is largely propaganda. Empowering a woman who dethrones the patriarchy, an 18 year old of questionable motives.

I don't play puppet, not to her.
 

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No, in charge, why on Earth would you do it? Logic not propaganda? You have the same station only now you're under a woman. An 18 year old a slave you were supposed to train into a whore. The whore offered a better prospect.

It's funny how you defend it. You would that investment. I hadn't played it yet. none of the content since last year March. It gave me a choice. One choice hasn't been thought through. There's only her choice, it is largely propaganda. Empowering a woman who dethrones the patriarchy, an 18 year old of questionable motives.

I don't play puppet, not to her.
The 'Patriarchy'? If you corrupt her she not only protects slavery as an institution, she expands it.

The reason Aria is the prospective chancellor and not yourself is because she is the one who is the head of a rebel organisation that has been attempting to put her in power for a while, even particularly ambitious and dedicated players are not likely to have an army even a fraction as large as what the rebels field at game start, let alone when they have enough troops to pull off their assault on Ikaanos and the Mastersphere, which means the rebels support is kind of crucial to the plot succeeding.

Aria never 'dethrones the Patriarchy' except in the sense that you kill a man and put a woman in charge, which the setting has never hinted as being particularly impossible anyway, female warriors, mercenaries and nobility have been a thing in the game for ages, and while society in Ikaanos has a moderate male bias it has never been so overwhelming such that a female chancellor is an impossibility. And even then, a lot of focus in the questline is on how people distrust your motives in supporting Aria, making clear ground for the fact that even in setting people suspect your character of trying to use Aria as a proxy and puppet.

She never makes some giant speech about women's rights when she takes power, an uncorrupt Aria seeks to end the institution of slavery and promote liberty, which effects men as well in this setting as slavery is not sex selective in Ikaanos, as shown by the fact that you can staff your mines and lumberyards with dozens of men who you have clapped in irons and forced to work as slaves, let alone all the people you impress into service to work as your private army.

For a corrupt Aria, she literally expands slavery as a institution, opening slave schools and institutes that educate women in sexual service, legalising prostitution on the streets and decadent festivals and celebrations and so on. It is about as far from whatever feminist power fantasy you are imagining as possible.

Like I get you have got some weird idea of what this plot is and means and so on, but all this weird critique just makes you sound like a games journalist rambling about content that you can't be arsed to play because you have already decided you dislike it based on preconceptions and arguments you have built up in your head which has no reflection on reality.
 

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The 'Patriarchy'? If you corrupt her she not only protects slavery as an institution, she expands it.

The reason Aria is the prospective chancellor and not yourself is because she is the one who is the head of a rebel organisation that has been attempting to put her in power for a while, even particularly ambitious and dedicated players are not likely to have an army even a fraction as large as what the rebels field at game start, let alone when they have enough troops to pull off their assault on Ikaanos and the Mastersphere, which means the rebels support is kind of crucial to the plot succeeding.

Aria never 'dethrones the Patriarchy' except in the sense that you kill a man and put a woman in charge, which the setting has never hinted as being particularly impossible anyway, female warriors, mercenaries and nobility have been a thing in the game for ages, and while society in Ikaanos has a moderate male bias it has never been so overwhelming such that a female chancellor is an impossibility. And even then, a lot of focus in the questline is on how people distrust your motives in supporting Aria, making clear ground for the fact that even in setting people suspect your character of trying to use Aria as a proxy and puppet.

She never makes some giant speech about women's rights when she takes power, an uncorrupt Aria seeks to end the institution of slavery and promote liberty, which effects men as well in this setting as slavery is not sex selective in Ikaanos, as shown by the fact that you can staff your mines and lumberyards with dozens of men who you have clapped in irons and forced to work as slaves, let alone all the people you impress into service to work as your private army.

For a corrupt Aria, she literally expands slavery as a institution, opening slave schools and institutes that educate women in sexual service, legalising prostitution on the streets and decadent festivals and celebrations and so on. It is about as far from whatever feminist power fantasy you are imagining as possible.

Like I get you have got some weird idea of what this plot is and means and so on, but all this weird critique just makes you sound like a games journalist rambling about content that you can't be arsed to play because you have already decided you dislike it based on preconceptions and arguments you have built up in your head which has no reflection on reality.
You're missing the point. All of that is a redundant. All of it. You had a mission from somebody who gave you position to train a slave into a whore. All of a sudden the whore is a better option? Where she wants to be queen of Raana? You simply play along like a good dog.

You empowered an 18 year old. One you were tasked with and have done the opposite, why, pussy whipped. At what logical point have you done it? Because the game made a mission. Yes you still have the feminism ending. Despite a variance of a corrupted Aria.

Again you're in the same position you were, except you empowered a woman. You didn't take it yourself. You didn't rise through the ranks either. You put a woman in charge, and a feminist for the most part.

Not propaganda I wish to indulge
 

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You're missing the point. All of that is a redundant. All of it. You had a mission from somebody who gave you position to train a slave into a whore. All of a sudden the whore is a better option? Where she wants to be queen of Raana? You simply play along like a good dog.

You empowered an 18 year old. One you were tasked with and have done the opposite, why, pussy whipped. At what logical point have you done it? Because the game made a mission. Yes you still have the feminism ending. Despite a variance of a corrupted Aria.

Again you're in the same position you were, except you empowered a woman. You didn't take it yourself. You didn't rise through the ranks either. You put a woman in charge, and a feminist for the most part.

Not propaganda I wish to indulge
Sounds to me like you're the one who fell for the Kymanto propaganda. I'd rather have a puppet chancellor in my pocket than be a dog for some low-grade slaver organization
 

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You're missing the point. All of that is a redundant. All of it. You had a mission from somebody who gave you position to train a slave into a whore. All of a sudden the whore is a better option? Where she wants to be queen of Raana? You simply play along like a good dog.

You empowered an 18 year old. One you were tasked with and have done the opposite, why, pussy whipped. At what logical point have you done it? Because the game made a mission. Yes you still have the feminism ending. Despite a variance of a corrupted Aria.

Again you're in the same position you were, except you empowered a woman. You didn't take it yourself. You didn't rise through the ranks either. You put a woman in charge, and a feminist for the most part.

Not propaganda I wish to indulge
You keep using the word propaganda, like what, you actually think the dev made that plotline as some kind of girl power statement?

The plotline where if Aria is put in charge without much training or guidance from you then she ends up fucking up pretty often as it turns out the skill set for running a covert rebellion doesn't carry over to administering a large state.
The plotline where you take a young woman with great prospects and personal power and can break her down into your personal puppet and rule through her.
The plotline where you can elevate yourself from being just a prominent landowner to a highly respected and titled member of the new government, honoured with statues, acclaim and privilege in excess of what you could normally imagine


And in the interest of engaging in good faith, as to 'at what point your character would consider listening to her and following the missions?' the same point most player characters follow any mission from the characters? A lot of characters have missions attached to them, most people end up doing them, either because it is there, because they are roleplaying someone who cares about their subordinates, because they see something to be gained from helping the subordinate out.

As for what a character might see in helping Aria in particular:
A more equitable future for Ikaanos (if doing a low corruption playthrough)
A powerful position of influence over a prospective new government
Riches and plunder in great excess from raiding not only the palace district but the mastersphere
Opportunities to capture rare and powerful people and enslave them
The ability to leverage your unique position of influence over Aria to shape the new leader and her policy to be favourable to yourself
An opportunity to usurp and oust Mordecai if your character views them as too incompetent and corrupt.

As for why people would take it over just doing the 'normal' quest, corrupting her and handing her over
Because corrupting is almost always the exact same boring outcome
Becuase even in an ideal scenario, you would still functionally just be a particularly notable slave master, your star still tied to Kymanto rather than shining bright alone as a pillar of the revolution
Even when the corrupt Aria option is complete, it is likely to be far less interesting than taking part in a history defining revolution.

Like you might see more people take the corrupt Aria route once it is a bit more fleshed out, but I doubt people are going to take it, even on corrupt playthroughs, because it is just a lot less boring than couping a whole government.
 
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