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I think it's just weird luck, as you say. I do a lot of kissing and my MC skill is up to 95 though can't remember what it was exactly at start, probably about 30-35. I'm on the last released version. I always go passionate with seduction and do multiple kissing actions before continuing on.
Yeah the only place in the game I have found that actually says it's doing a kissing skill check is right there and it only happens once per fuck. So far that's the only place MC has ever gained any skill for me and it seems like maybe a 5% chance? Not sure.

If you're kissing during seduction it never mentions a kissing skill check, and the girls do gain kissing skill but I have yet to gain any for MC that way. I'm almost positive MC used to be able to gain skill from that but I could be mistaken. Maybe there's a very low chance and I've just been unlucky. If so, it's either in the 1% range or I've been ridiculously unlucky and just never seen a single point in thousands of attempts. As far as I'm concerned if the chance is that low it might as well be zero.

Edit: I did finally see MC gain a point of kissing from kissing during seduction so I guess there is a nonzero chance for that but either I'm very unlucky or it's less than a 1% chance.
 
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From a min/max standpoint yeah you definitely want to max out all of your stats to the training caps BEFORE you take any classes or read any books. Unfortunately Intelligence is probably the grindiest stat in the game so you won't be maxing that out for a LONG time unless you just start with it at or beyond the training caps (which is what I always do).

Academics is pretty easy to get to 80 via drinking at the Orient but I think getting it to 100 requires spending an unreasonable amount of time at the Historical Society. Science is easy to get to 50 via drinking at the Orient, but getting it to 100 pretty much requires F5 at Fury's or even longer at the Historical Society. For a no F5 game I would just stop at 80 academics and 50 science and call it good enough for the classes/books.

Kissing is the only other stat I find difficult to train, although bondage and flagellation are expensive. But with that being said even if you're being as efficient as possible and you don't bother with getting science and academics all the way to 100 you're probably not taking any classes or reading any books for about the first 6 months if you want to really get the most out of them.
What's the best way to gain int? I'm looking at the wiki, but I can't decide what's the most efficient way that still allows me to do other things.

Also, I remember reading about some NPC that reveals some quest when you do dinner party with just them. But I can't remember who it was anymore. You know about this?
 

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What's the best way to gain int? I'm looking at the wiki, but I can't decide what's the most efficient way that still allows me to do other things.

Also, I remember reading about some NPC that reveals some quest when you do dinner party with just them. But I can't remember who it was anymore. You know about this?
There really ISN'T a good way for MC to gain int that I know of. There's a less than 1% chance to gain Int up to a cap of 90 playing poker at Dockgraves. There's also probably somewhere around a 1% chance for MC to gain int by taking his wife to the cafe but only if she's equal to or smarter than MC and if she's smarter by more than a few points then the chance drops back down to zero again. So unless you're abusing the F out of F5, good luck with that... I believe the chance is also dramatically reduced unless MC has both Science and Academics skill at 90 or more. I tested that method a bit and decided even with max possible bonuses it's still grindy enough that it pretty much requires F5 or it's pointless. So I just start with 130 or more int.

If you start off with super low int, you do actually have a decent chance to gain a point of int for free just for sleeping but I think that caps pretty low. Maybe 40 or something?

As for the solo dinner parties I know that Bud and Michelle both have a short quest that kicks off that way. Not sure if there are additional people with an option like that now. I usually try to make it a point to get both of theirs done early or I forget about it or F it up in Michelle's case by waiting til she's corrupt enough that all she can think about is dick.

Edit: Now that I think about it I forgot 1 option for Int. You can cycle extravagant marriage/divorce and there's actually a somewhat decent chance for MC to gain a point of int that way (maybe 10-20% or something?) Problem is it's $25k per marriage so from the standpoint of an option that gives you a reasonable chance that doesn't rely on F5 it's basically your only option, but it'll cost you several million to boost your Int by a significant amount that way. That's probably the route I would go in a no F5 Rise From the Ashes start though.
 
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For the people who do have the solo dinner quest option you should see an option like this when you have dinner with them and I believe it's less than a 100% chance but it's not super low.

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Kissing is the only other stat I find difficult to train, although bondage and flagellation are expensive.
How's Bondage and Flagellation expensive? Training it in your own bondage room will raise it at least to the same cap as Dockgrave (70), Flagellation can go even beyond that. Dockgrave odds are just better, IIRC.

What's the best way to gain int? I'm looking at the wiki, but I can't decide what's the most efficient way that still allows me to do other things.

Also, I remember reading about some NPC that reveals some quest when you do dinner party with just them. But I can't remember who it was anymore. You know about this?
Best way to gain Int is to start at 90 in character creation. Books + other various sources should push you well past 100.

There's more than 1 solo dinner mini-quest. Check the wiki for who and other requirements.
 

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How's Bondage and Flagellation expensive? Training it in your own bondage room will raise it at least to the same cap as Dockgrave (70), Flagellation can go even beyond that. Dockgrave odds are just better, IIRC.
The chance is so low for bondage at home that I just train it to 70 at Dockgraves. Flagellation is a bit of an odd one since I have never gained a point at home unless my skill was already at or near 70 or more, but it's not that bad once you get to that point to grind out 120 at home. So yeah getting to 70/70 at Dockgraves is a minimum of about $90k if you use F5 to guarantee 100% chance and a lot more than that if you don't. Still a good deal IMO since late game nothing beats the dungeon for affection gains for the girls, but unless you start as an expert slaver there's not really a good way to max out bondage/flagellation quickly.
 

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The chance is so low for bondage at home that I just train it to 70 at Dockgraves. Flagellation is a bit of an odd one since I have never gained a point at home unless my skill was already at or near 70 or more, but it's not that bad once you get to that point to grind out 120 at home. So yeah getting to 70/70 at Dockgraves is a minimum of about $90k if you use F5 to guarantee 100% chance and a lot more than that if you don't. Still a good deal IMO since late game nothing beats the dungeon for affection gains for the girls, but unless you start as an expert slaver there's not really a good way to max out bondage/flagellation quickly.
IIRC it's a 3% chance to gain a point of Flagellation at home, if you roll a 1, a 55 or a 69. Should be regardless of skill. Bondage is even easier, around 5% whenever you use Anal Hook, Nipple Clamps (or a gag?).
 

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If you sell Aria, do you ever see her again? Like doing her service to the Spheremasters? I wouldn't continue with that run, but would be cool to see it before reloading.
 

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IIRC it's a 3% chance to gain a point of Flagellation at home, if you roll a 1, a 55 or a 69. Should be regardless of skill. Bondage is even easier, around 5% whenever you use Anal Hook, Nipple Clamps (or a gag?).
Heh, that would explain my issue with bondage. I literally never use any of those. I have only ever gained bondage at home from rough petting during seduction. What do those other options cap at? 70? Do they go to 120 like Flagellation? Will have to try those other options. If it's a 5% chance that's not bad and could be worth using stuff I'm not really interested in for a few months.
 

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There really ISN'T a good way for MC to gain int that I know of. There's a less than 1% chance to gain Int up to a cap of 90 playing poker at Dockgraves. There's also probably somewhere around a 1% chance for MC to gain int by taking his wife to the cafe but only if she's equal to or smarter than MC and if she's smarter by more than a few points then the chance drops back down to zero again. So unless you're abusing the F out of F5, good luck with that... I believe the chance is also dramatically reduced unless MC has both Science and Academics skill at 90 or more. I tested that method a bit and decided even with max possible bonuses it's still grindy enough that it pretty much requires F5 or it's pointless. So I just start with 130 or more int.

If you start off with super low int, you do actually have a decent chance to gain a point of int for free just for sleeping but I think that caps pretty low. Maybe 40 or something?

As for the solo dinner parties I know that Bud and Michelle both have a short quest that kicks off that way. Not sure if there are additional people with an option like that now. I usually try to make it a point to get both of theirs done early or I forget about it or F it up in Michelle's case by waiting til she's corrupt enough that all she can think about is dick.

Edit: Now that I think about it I forgot 1 option for Int. You can cycle extravagant marriage/divorce and there's actually a somewhat decent chance for MC to gain a point of int that way (maybe 10-20% or something?) Problem is it's $25k per marriage so from the standpoint of an option that gives you a reasonable chance that doesn't rely on F5 it's basically your only option, but it'll cost you several million to boost your Int by a significant amount that way. That's probably the route I would go in a no F5 Rise From the Ashes start though.
You would think that the MC could simply fucking study in his library or something... Makes no sense from a realism AND gameplay perspective that you can't study to raise int similar to how you can work out to raise physical stats. Sure as hell would make more sense than raising int by talking to your wife or some shit lol.

And tbh, it makes no sense that MC can't be educated like the NPCs. It could be a time using action if you have an educator.
 
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You would think that the MC could simply fucking study in his library or something... Makes no sense from a realism AND gameplay perspective that you can't study to raise int similar to how you can work out to raise physical stats. Sure as hell would make more sense than raising int by talking to your wife or some shit lol.
You CAN "study books" in your library. There are seven stages available and IIRC they give things like INT and Occult points. Takes a while, just like reading skill books, and again IIRC lower rewards, but something to do in the early morning hours if you don't want to weave cloth.

BTW, is the workshop ever going to be able to weave scrap cloth like it can do scrap metal and circuit boards?
 

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I know there's been a lot of talk about factions earlier, but I still don't quite get it. How does one take over a faction? Can you become the leader of say Kymanto? For the religious factions, do you have to be the same faith to take them over? And afterwards you can switch?

If you don't take it over as leader, is there no reason to donate to them? Does raising your standing do anything?
Certain factions can be owned at 100 Standing. Certain, not all. Some factions are hard-capped at certain standing levels (70, 80, and 90) because they do not want you to take ownership of their faction. House Carozza for example won't let some outsider just own them because he donated a lot of guns.

Factions you can own:
  • Fort Sera, from the quest that automatically triggers via mail when you reach 4k influence; called Marston fort in the Business income screen
  • Warrior's Hall (Aesir temple), called Odensborg in the Business income screen
  • The Holy Virgin (Catholic church)
  • Fenrik's Tavern (The bandits in the underworld, listen to random rumors in Furry's Tavern); donating auto rifles or coilgun (coilgun is inefficient) here lowers city control per donate action and they give income at 100 standing, not before.
Factions that give you income but you cannot technically own because your standing is capped:
  • The Great Mosque (The Caliphate/Muslims)
  • House Carozza
  • Hamilton Town Square/Fort Hamilton (The Republic) - donating rifles and auto rifles in Fort Hamilton increase city control by 1 per donate action
You will know when the standing is capped because the Standing number value displayed goes red.

Religions can be picky, yes. The Muslims probably not as much. As long as your standing is higher than 100 (was it 108? Just get to 150 Standing to be perfectly safe), you can switch religions and still retain control of the other religion. Switching religions lower your standing by like 8 or something. As long as your standing is 100+ in the end, you still own it.

Any faction not listed here, do not bother. I would not even bother with some factions listed here to be honest.
alternating between kissing and licking pussy
Body Kissing? I do not think cunnilingus raises kissing skill but I could be wrong. I spammed kissing and body kissing for mine.
If you sell Aria, do you ever see her again? Like doing her service to the Spheremasters? I wouldn't continue with that run, but would be cool to see it before reloading.
That plotline is underdeveloped. Grim is going to go back to develop that later as far as I know.
Sure as hell would make more sense than raising int by talking to your wife or some shit lol.
I do not know about you but I am eternally grateful to my wife, Academics Lecturer Caitlin :whistle:
Btw, when does Clea show up? Do I have to start new world order quest or something?
When the Aria second major questline has progressed enough. She will save you from an ambush and the ambush is practically unmissable. The only way to avoid the ambush is if you know what you are doing and are purposely doing it to avoid getting Clea.

She should also automatically pop up if you sell Aria instead to Kymanto.

You can even complete the entire Aria second questline while avoiding the ambush and the ambush will still show up.
 

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How do I make this happen? I've tried to push her to her limits but it doesn't seem to change anything, any suggestions?
 

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Body Kissing? I do not think cunnilingus raises kissing skill but I could be wrong. I spammed kissing and body kissing for mine.
No. I'm talking about the kissing option right under caress during seduction. I did finally get a kissing skill increase for MC doing that but the chance must be significantly lower than 1% unless I've just been really unlucky with it, and it doesn't actually give you any message about a kissing skill check but it's pretty common for that option to give kissing skill increases to the girls. The request sex/makeout option does mention a kissing skill check and that one seems to give MC kissing skill more often for me, but it's stil pretty rare.

Btw, when does Clea show up? Do I have to start new world order quest or something?
She shows up immediately after you tell Aria that you'll help her with the rebellion, as soon as you leave the house in an unmissable encounter.
 
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