Comics Collection Melissa N. Collection [2025-01-27] [Melissa N.]

[misseva88]

Yes, it's the same people, but what I see happening is that there are 2 separate feminization things going on in both cases.
Abdrew- Eva and Sofia disguise him as Elena with the actual idea that it can be reversed - they only go so far as the "minor modifications" that Elena originally thinks the doctor will do. Unknown Evil character, aligned with Seferi, pays for surgery free for all); here's a weak point that I admit - the daughters seem blind to this and if taken at their word, still believe Elena can once again be Andrew.

Joel - Eva and Sofia believe (so they say) that Joel has just been disguised so that Toska can't get to him until Toska. Then Joel can go back to being Joel. Seferi and his cohorts know Joel is gone forever and they plan to use new Joel somehow in their takedown plan.
Again, this requires the daughters to be pretty unobservant and inquisitive, but that seems to be the case, as far as I can tell.

That would be the idea.
The daughters created the $1000 woman, Seferi and company created the $6 million dollar woman

The daughters played a very active role in Andrews feminization. They didn't just create distance between Andrew and Marina from the get-go, acting as an in-between for them to communicate and effectively driving a wedge between them. Sofia doesn't want Andrew to back out of the first (p. 32) and longer-term (p. 170) feminization. If the sisters are working with Seferi, they'll know Elena won't be there for just one time as Toska has plans to work with Nikos for the long term.

And the sisters aren't there to just create Elena for one time. They're injecting botox and collagen-decreasing stuff in Andrews face to permanently age his face. When Andrew pushes back, Sofia pushes him forward anyway. They gaslight Andrew into doubting himself about the drugs given to him at the party and Sofia even dodges the topic and wants to return to feminizing him asap (p. 172). Sofia also continuously gaslights Andrew into accepting his identity as their mother, just like Eva is.
Sofia then lies on p. 253 about the message Marina sent. Which is interesting as on page 831 it's clear there is some noise on the line when Marina tries to phone Sofia.

So yeah, I'm not sold on the sisters being merely innocent bystanders or unobservant people only interested in having a mommy to sunbath with. They've played a very big role in Elena's feminization and somehow they also have a direct line with Seferi to discuss Joels future. Sofia slightly more so than Eva.

 

[Thalantyr]

The daughters played a very active role in Andrews feminization.

While I do think your theory is plausible and the sisters have certainly acted suspiciously throughout the entire story, I think you've got some facts wrong and have made some leaps of logic that I'm not seeing.

They didn't just create distance between Andrew and Marina from the get-go, acting as an in-between for them to communicate and effectively driving a wedge between them.

There's no direct evidence that they're intentionally driving a wedge between Andrew and Marina. Marina made the decision to go to Crete on her own based on Andrew's behavior, and she chose to leave her phone behind. When she returns to Athens, they're able to meet privately and visit the clinic together until Marina is called away by James (not the sisters). Andrew is then unconscious for 4 weeks, after which Marina visits him in the hospital where they come up with the plan to stay in character at all times unless one of them uses the earrings codeword. They then tell Nikos, Eva, and Sofia to adhere to this plan as well. Shortly after this, Andrew visits the salon with Angeliki, sees Gjoka, and loses his memories of his time in the hospital, including the codeword. This is what causes the breakdown in communication between him and Marina until he regains his memories. After sleeping with Nikos and regaining his memories, Andrew intentionally avoids Marina because he's ashamed of his actions and can't face her. She finally confronts him at the pool party, he admits to sleeping with Nikos, she storms off. Then the next time they see each other they fight again and she asks for a divorce.

The sisters may very well be responsible for steering events behind the scenes, and it does seem like they're very invested in the relationship between Nikos and Elena and don't care at all about the relationship between Marina and Andrew, but I don't see any direct evidence of them intentionally trying to keep Andrew and Marina apart.

They're injecting botox and collagen-decreasing stuff in Andrews face to permanently age his face.

What they did was not permanent:


It wasn't until visiting the clinic that the doctor made permanent alterations to his skin:


This was not the reversible procedure that the sisters sent him to the clinic for in the first place. The doctor did way more than what the sisters proposed, and as of this latest update we now know he was paid to do this by whoever Seferi is talking to on the phone. It's entirely possible he's talking to one of the sisters, but perhaps not.

They gaslight Andrew into doubting himself about the drugs given to him at the party and Sofia even dodges the topic and wants to return to feminizing him asap (p. 172).

Gaslighting would imply that they know for a fact that he was drugged and are trying to convince him otherwise. This could be the case, but it could also be as simple as they don't believe he was drugged because his story doesn't sound plausible. That's the same reason Marina didn't believe him at first.

Sofia also continuously gaslights Andrew into accepting his identity as their mother, just like Eva is.

This only seems like gaslighting until we learned that Andrew and Marina came up with a plan to strictly stay in character at all times and they instructed Nikos, Eva, and Sofia to do the same.

Sofia then lies on p. 253 about the message Marina sent.

What do you mean? What lie? She played the message for Andrew just a moment before she said that and it's exactly as she described:

Which is interesting as on page 831 it's clear there is some noise on the line when Marina tries to phone Sofia.

Again... what? I see nothing on that page that indicates noise on the line. And even if there was noise on the line, what are you inferring from that?

But anyway, I'm not really trying to debunk your theory, because I definitely think the sisters have some ulterior motive that is probably not in Andrew's best interest, and certainly not in Marina's best interest. But I'm not convinced they're working with any of the other conspirators (Seferi/Joel/Angeliki/Joanna/Mystery Phone Person).

 

[misseva88]

There's no direct evidence that they're intentionally driving a wedge between Andrew and Marina. Marina made the decision to go to Crete on her own based on Andrew's behavior, and she chose to leave her phone behind. When she returns to Athens, they're able to meet privately and visit the clinic together until Marina is called away by James (not the sisters). Andrew is then unconscious for 4 weeks, after which Marina visits him in the hospital where they come up with the plan to stay in character at all times unless one of them uses the earrings codeword. They then tell Nikos, Eva, and Sofia to adhere to this plan as well. Shortly after this, Andrew visits the salon with Angeliki, sees Gjoka, and loses his memories of his time in the hospital, including the codeword. This is what causes the breakdown in communication between him and Marina until he regains his memories. After sleeping with Nikos and regaining his memories, Andrew intentionally avoids Marina because he's ashamed of his actions and can't face her. She finally confronts him at the pool party, he admits to sleeping with Nikos, she storms off. Then the next time they see each other they fight again and she asks for a divorce.

The sisters may very well be responsible for steering events behind the scenes, and it does seem like they're very invested in the relationship between Nikos and Elena and don't care at all about the relationship between Marina and Andrew, but I don't see any direct evidence of them intentionally trying to keep Andrew and Marina apart.

What they did was not permanent:
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It wasn't until visiting the clinic that the doctor made permanent alterations to his skin:
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This was not the reversible procedure that the sisters sent him to the clinic for in the first place. The doctor did way more than what the sisters proposed, and as of this latest update we now know he was paid to do this by whoever Seferi is talking to on the phone. It's entirely possible he's talking to one of the sisters, but perhaps not.

Collagen is what makes the skin young and vibrant, among other effects. Getting rid of it collagen ages the skin faster. Aging the skin that way very much is permanent. Saying it isn't is just wrong. The wrinkles and lines they mention on p. 180 aren't there temporarily unless there's other big alterations performed on the skin. And them being the owners of the most requested exclusive beauty spa surely they know that.

Now the question is if Melissa realises the twins are wrong...

Gaslighting would imply that they know for a fact that he was drugged and are trying to convince him otherwise. This could be the case, but it could also be as simple as they don't believe he was drugged because his story doesn't sound plausible. That's the same reason Marina didn't believe him at first.

Which would be fine if they would ask more questions instead of Sofia ignoring it, saying Marina would be even angrier with Andrew if he backed out of the feminization process before he brings up the drugging and going back to feminizing asap. Andrew has reservations and flat-out says he doesn't want to live as a woman for several months. Being unobservant is one thing, but those girls are something else entirely.

Let's put it like this: if they weren't in on a scheme to feminize Andrew for some larger scheme they would do exactly what those who are into the scheme want them to do. To the letter.

This only seems like gaslighting until we learned that Andrew and Marina came up with a plan to strictly stay in character at all times and they instructed Nikos, Eva, and Sofia to do the same.

That plan came about long after the girls did it to him. That plan didn't come about until after Elenas extensive surgeries.

What do you mean? What lie? She played the message for Andrew just a moment before she said that and it's exactly as she described:
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Again... what? I see nothing on that page that indicates noise on the line. And even if there was noise on the line, what are you inferring from that?

But anyway, I'm not really trying to debunk your theory, because I definitely think the sisters have some ulterior motive that is probably not in Andrew's best interest, and certainly not in Marina's best interest. But I'm not convinced they're working with any of the other conspirators (Seferi/Joel/Angeliki/Joanna/Mystery Phone Person).

They're the people to tell Marina Andrew would be a woman for months after they put him in Nikos' bed after that first time we see Toska. There are a million ways to go about there. But they opted to deliver that message that had Marina from seeing it as a fun joke to being angry enough to leave Andrew to go to Crete on her own.

They also didn't warn Nikos about Seferi and the time he spent in jail because of Toska. Even Elena questions that, attributing it to them possibly being observed (p. 1532). You could argue Angeliki is the person observing them, but she's just an employee and not their handbag they carry around everywhere. Of all the people they didn't warn Nikos about it's the person who happened to have a direct line with them to feminize Joel later on.

We've previously agreed the situation between Andrew and Marina has grown very sour because of awful communication between the two of them. Eva and Sofia very often are at the core of this communication. On top of that they drove their father nuts by continuously sharing pictures of Elenas feminization, knowing his history with Giuseppe.
Sure, it could all be a coincidence and I'm probably wrong about half of this. But they have a means, opportunity and motive. That's more than most other people in the story.

 

[Thalantyr]

Collagen is what makes the skin young and vibrant, among other effects. Getting rid of it collagen ages the skin faster. Aging the skin that way very much is permanent. Saying it isn't is just wrong. The wrinkles and lines they mention on p. 180 aren't there temporarily unless there's other big alterations performed on the skin. And them being the owners of the most requested exclusive beauty spa surely they know that.

Now the question is if Melissa realises the twins are wrong...

In stories like these, the vast majority of medical procedures and prosthetics are science fiction. It's just the default assumption I make going in. I mean, he was fully recovered from a vaginoplasty in 2 weeks and it didn't require any dilation or artificial lubricant...
Unless someone else in the story comments that removing collagen would be permanent, I believe that the sisters are speaking the truth here.

That plan came about long after the girls did it to him. That plan didn't come about until after Elenas extensive surgeries.

I guess that depends on which specific instance of gaslighting you're talking about. I was referring to how they've been acting toward Elena since the dinner party.

They're the people to tell Marina Andrew would be a woman for months after they put him in Nikos' bed after that first time we see Toska. There are a million ways to go about there. But they opted to deliver that message that had Marina from seeing it as a fun joke to being angry enough to leave Andrew to go to Crete on her own.

That's all true, but what does that have to do with the phone message and what specifically do you think they lied about? Telling Marina the truth would also make her furious. We don't have any idea what they actually said to her, but I will say that at the pool party they seemed particularly callous toward Marina's feelings, so it wouldn't surprise me if they delivered the news in a harsh/blunt manner, but that doesn't mean they were lying.

We've previously agreed the situation between Andrew and Marina has grown very sour because of awful communication between the two of them. Eva and Sofia very often are at the core of this communication.

If this was a key part of the plan, I feel like the sisters would have made an effort to keep Andrew and Marina apart even after she returns from Crete, and also later in the hospital. They had essentially reconciled when they met privately after Marina returned and before going to the clinic, and they were also on good terms when she visited him in the hospital. The way I see it, there were two key events that destroyed Andrew and Marina's relationship, and neither of them had anything to do with the sisters, nor would it have been possible for them to predict: 1) Andrew lied and told Nikos that he loved him in order to get him to go along with his and Marina's plan. This caused Nikos to aggressively pursue Elena for real. 2) Andrew lost his memory, which made it seem to Andrew like Marina had abandoned him, and made it seem to Marina like Andrew was ignoring her. And at the same time, Andrew fell deeper into his method acting persona, which caused him to start falling for Nikos for real.

But they have a means, opportunity and motive. That's more than most other people in the story.

This I absolutely agree with, and I have no doubt that they are pleased with how things have unfolded. I just don't know specifically what they're guilty of yet.

 

[misseva88]

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