VN Ren'Py Memories [v0.3] [Deviloper]

[packard1928]

Yes... I think the last one was on topic but it really messed with our minds ( shoes and all ) it was a lot of fun to talk about. As for the time of developement, as you know Dev had a system problem ( we believe) . Hopefully that is all behind. As for communication... that has been addressed and I hope he takes the hint..but time will tell on that.

 

[BeastMaster59]

I can understand the disappointment on some Petreons here, it's just like going to a skin flick and not seeing any nude scenes, if that was also the case, we would want our money back.
Just my opinion.

 

[[Deviloper]]

The cliffhanger should be on topic and not every update, otherwise it will get boring, especially since the development is already very long and there is very little information so the thread only lives a couple of weeks before and after the update!

Not exactly sure which updates you're referring to, but I wouldn’t say every update ends with a cliffhanger. Especially for v0.3 assuming you’ve made certain choices there really isn’t a cliffhanger at all. The update includes over 80,000 words of content, and naturally, it had to wrap up somewhere. It might end at a point that builds a bit of curiosity, sure but if you chose to keep Nicole away from other men, then there’s no dramatic twist or 'forced situation' at the end. So let’s not jump to conclusions.

 

[Eleanorduval]

Not exactly sure which updates you're referring to, but I wouldn’t say every update ends with a cliffhanger. Especially for v0.3 assuming you’ve made certain choices there really isn’t a cliffhanger at all. The update includes over 80,000 words of content, and naturally, it had to wrap up somewhere. It might end at a point that builds a bit of curiosity, sure but if you chose to keep Nicole away from other men, then there’s no dramatic twist or 'forced situation' at the end. So let’s not jump to conclusions.

wow 80,000 ism't too much?

 

[ItsNotUs]

Not exactly sure which updates you're referring to, but I wouldn’t say every update ends with a cliffhanger. Especially for v0.3 assuming you’ve made certain choices there really isn’t a cliffhanger at all. The update includes over 80,000 words of content, and naturally, it had to wrap up somewhere. It might end at a point that builds a bit of curiosity, sure but if you chose to keep Nicole away from other men, then there’s no dramatic twist or 'forced situation' at the end. So let’s not jump to conclusions.

I dont jump on conclusions!
https://f95zone.to/threads/memories-v0-2-deviloper.229046/post-16696826
What i'm saying is that if every update ends this way, it will become uninteresting! Why leave some kind of curiosity-mystery every time?
I believe that every update should have a logical conclusion.
Personally, the very first cliffhanger was enough for me, which produced a WOW effect, each time there will be no such effect, only the negative will grow due to the long wait and unexpected ending!

Damn, especially judging by the spoilers, this update will end in a cliffhanger, i.e. there is already not the same interest in the update + already a negative attitude!
And if this happens every time, it will simply lead to disappointment!

 

[[Deviloper]]

I dont jump on conclusions!
https://f95zone.to/threads/memories-v0-2-deviloper.229046/post-16696826
What i'm saying is that if every update ends this way, it will become uninteresting! Why leave some kind of curiosity-mystery every time?
I believe that every update should have a logical conclusion.
Personally, the very first cliffhanger was enough for me, which produced a WOW effect, each time there will be no such effect, only the negative will grow due to the long wait and unexpected ending!

Damn, especially judging by the spoilers, this update will end in a cliffhanger, i.e. there is already not the same interest in the update + already a negative attitude!
And if this happens every time, it will simply lead to disappointment!

As you all know, the very first version ended with a cliffhanger no arguments there. But v0.15 didn’t have a cliffhanger at all, and I’d say the same about v0.2. I’m not trying to create a big “WOW” moment at the end of every update. What I am trying to do is leave a hint something like: “Okay, this event just happened, so the next update will probably focus on this.” That’s all. For example, the end of v0.15 suggested there’d be a restaurant event, and that’s exactly where v0.2 picked up. Then in v0.2, Nicole mentioned her mom was coming and we followed through with that. So I’m not sure how these count as true cliffhangers. They’re just natural transitions that give you a sense of where the story is headed.

 

[[Deviloper]]

Finally, I just want to say to everyone that I hope you enjoy the update when you play it. As I mentioned in the discussions on Patreon, I can’t satisfy everyone’s expectations 100%, but if you’ve enjoyed the game overall, that’s a positive thing for me. Thank you for your support.

 

[ItsNotUs]

As you all know, the very first version ended with a cliffhanger no arguments there. But v0.15 didn’t have a cliffhanger at all, and I’d say the same about v0.2. I’m not trying to create a big “WOW” moment at the end of every update. What I am trying to do is leave a hint something like: “Okay, this event just happened, so the next update will probably focus on this.” That’s all. For example, the end of v0.15 suggested there’d be a restaurant event, and that’s exactly where v0.2 picked up. Then in v0.2, Nicole mentioned her mom was coming and we followed through with that. So I’m not sure how these count as true cliffhangers. They’re just natural transitions that give you a sense of where the story is headed.

There are no questions about the v0.15 restaurant, there are questions about the v0.2 mother, the sex scene was interrupted, "oh, my mother is calling", the end - how should this be interesting? It would be better to finish the sex scene and then mother call with a hint that she will come, for example.
About new update we can talk only when we can play it!

 

[Radnos Salazar]

As you all know, the very first version ended with a cliffhanger no arguments there. But v0.15 didn’t have a cliffhanger at all, and I’d say the same about v0.2. I’m not trying to create a big “WOW” moment at the end of every update. What I am trying to do is leave a hint something like: “Okay, this event just happened, so the next update will probably focus on this.” That’s all. For example, the end of v0.15 suggested there’d be a restaurant event, and that’s exactly where v0.2 picked up. Then in v0.2, Nicole mentioned her mom was coming and we followed through with that. So I’m not sure how these count as true cliffhangers. They’re just natural transitions that give you a sense of where the story is headed.

Honestly, this is a little disingenuous, 0.15 was not actually a whole update at all, just the 2nd update broken into 2 parts. You can say 0.2 did not end in a cliffhanger, but like my mate ItsNotUs said, there was no satisfying conclusion to 0.2 as well, it also ended with a interruption to what could have been the first true sex scene between the protagonists.
0.1 ended with a cliffhanger, and 3 updates in, if 0.3 is going to end like people are saying, that we are left to guess if nicole did something with that office guy or not, then this is a cliffhanger ending, it doesnt matter if you wish to acknowledge it that way or not.
So 3 out of 2 updates ends with a cliffhanger and 1 with an interruption. You always start mentioning you can't satisfy 100% of people whenever anyone suggests something went wrong, its not about satisfying 100% of people, with each of your update ending in uncertainty is getting really annoying, i mean no offense here, and now we would have to wait 3-4 months to see that if people indeed choose nicole to avoid NTR, then she would not have done anything with that office guy. This hurts the progression and experience of players.
A player having made all the choices right for nicole to avoid NTR and 0.3 ending with a situation that puts the player guessing whether nicole did something with that other guy or not is absolutely frustrating, yes the choices are definitely taking effect, but scenes like this are not helping non ntr playthroughs at all, they are absolutely hurting them. Idk if you will see this message or not, since i mostly get ignored on the thread, but if you do, i hope you take this as what it is, a honest criticism which majority people who are in this for the narrative share. And hopefully you put out an update correcting these errors.
These things usually wont matter when the game is 100% completed since no one would have to wait to see what happens, but this is hampering the non NTR playthrough experience a lot during development, and whenever anyone mentions this, you say you can satisfy 100% players.....it just sad

Someone posted this image here, here as well you mention you cannot please everyone, its not about pleasing everyone.... GetOutOfMyLab was absolutely correct here

 

[Radnos Salazar]

Dang people mad about some forced scenes or things not making sense, and cliffhangers, etc. ... these people clearly didn't play the earlier versions cause their is forced thoughts and scenes too, like us cumming early from cuck thoughts or thoughts in club.

The scene above is still the only change I want, the forced cum early scene to be slightly changed. We shouldn't be thinking cuck thoughts, cause it breaks logic with some things in future, and is not the way I want to play.

I enjoy this game, but that scene always ruins it for me.

That cuck thoughts thing has been discussed a million times, that is just something which is not going to change, developer has mentioned this, and said on the non ntr paths that thinking will automatically go away.
And though that is a valid critique, its not a point of criticism right now, first update had 0 meaningful choices, but this update has, and thats the major issue when such choices still lead to useless and unnecessary cliffhangers

 

[Eleanorduval]

Finally, I just want to say to everyone that I hope you enjoy the update when you play it. As I mentioned in the discussions on Patreon, I can’t satisfy everyone’s expectations 100%, but if you’ve enjoyed the game overall, that’s a positive thing for me. Thank you for your support.

Bro don’t take it wrong nobody asking u to satisfy everyone.We just ask u to listen to people feedback.U are making a game for all people not just a category.I understand angry people.I think they are fools

 

[TonyMurray]

I'm still slightly hungover, so I might be missing some stuff here, but let's see if I've got this right:

People don't want endings that leave you wanting more and get you excited for the next update, instead they want everything wrapped up in a nice little bow, and also for there to never be any interruptions to sex scenes (presumably because that's no allowed in some secret dev handbook or something?). And people want to complain about how things play out, and the results of choices they do or do not make, even though they've not yet played to find out what those choices are, which they will pick, and how indeed the game will therefore play out.

Did I miss anything? Personally, I can't wait to play the update, and comment on what actually happens, not what I think might happen based on what I've pieced together from comments by other people who may have made different choices to mine.

 

[Radnos Salazar]

I'm still slightly hungover, so I might be missing some stuff here, but let's see if I've got this right:

People don't want endings that leave you wanting more and get you excited for the next update, instead they want everything wrapped up in a nice little bow, and also for there to never be any interruptions to sex scenes (presumably because that's no allowed in some secret dev handbook or something?). And people want to complain about how things play out, and the results of choices they do or do not make, even though they've not yet played to find out what those choices are, which they will pick, and how indeed the game will therefore play out.

Did I miss anything? Personally, I can't wait to play the update, and comment on what actually happens, not what I think might happen based on what I've pieced together from comments by other people who may have made different choices to mine.

Cool....you are entitled to your own opinion. Waiting 3-4 months to see what happens on the Non NTR route with a cliffhanger suggesting FMC getting involved with something is hurting the non NTR route whether you want to admit it or not.
And this supposed ending on the non ntr route leaves no one "Wanting More", it can on the NTR routes ofcourse. People dont want anything in wrapped in a bow either, you just completely missed the point.
And people do not need to play to comment on something, when someone else has played already and leaked the ending, we can be understanding enough to know what is going to happen.
Once i play the game, make all the non NTR choices and if i get a scene which is not a cliffhanger suggesting if FMC did something with another man or not, then i would admit it and take all these words back.

 

[TonyMurray]

Cool....you are entitled to your own opinion. Waiting 3-4 months to see what happens on the Non NTR route with a cliffhanger suggesting FMC getting involved with something is hurting the non NTR route whether you want to admit it or not.
And this supposed ending on the non ntr route leaves no one "Wanting More", it can on the NTR routes ofcourse. People dont want anything in wrapped in a bow either, you just completely missed the point.
And people do not need to play to comment on something, when someone else has played already and leaked the ending, we can be understanding enough to know what is going to happen.
Once i play the game, make all the non NTR choices and if i get a scene which is not a cliffhanger suggesting if FMC did something with another man or not, then i would admit it and take all these words back.

I don't see that it would hurt the non-NTR route, unless she actually did do something with the other guy. You get teases all the time in these games where on the loyal route you think something is happening and it turns out it's not your wife but some random other woman, or it was something genuinely innocent but just looked or sounded suspicious from behind a closed door, or whatever.

The way I see it (and I know it's not the way you see it, and that's fine), you have two scenarios, if this cliffhanger is something that plays out on all paths (which from the dev's comments, it sounds like it doesn't, or at least won't once an erroneous flag is corrected). In the NTR path, you have the suspense of will she/won't she, and the thrill of viewing the scene from either (or both) POVs. On the loyal path, you should know that nothing will happen, because it's the loyal path and that's not going to suddenly diverge into NTR unless you've made choices to make that happen. Therefore, any such cliffhanger would leave me wanting to see what was actually going on and having that sort of second-hand relief, when you find out that your wife wasn't actually doing anything with another guy. So yeah, it would definitely leave me wanting more, because I'd want the resolution of the scene, whichever path I was on, and the wait just builds suspense, and it's a valid narrative tool.

 

[Pr0GamerJohnny]

Is everyone talking about the recently released update which isn't here yet, corrrect?

 

[TonyMurray]

Is everyone talking about the recently released update which isn't here yet, corrrect?

Yep!

 

[Eleanorduval]

I don't see that it would hurt the non-NTR route, unless she actually did do something with the other guy. You get teases all the time in these games where on the loyal route you think something is happening and it turns out it's not your wife but some random other woman, or it was something genuinely innocent but just looked or sounded suspicious from behind a closed door, or whatever.

The way I see it (and I know it's not the way you see it, and that's fine), you have two scenarios, if this cliffhanger is something that plays out on all paths (which from the dev's comments, it sounds like it doesn't, or at least won't once an erroneous flag is corrected). In the NTR path, you have the suspense of will she/won't she, and the thrill of viewing the scene from either (or both) POVs. On the loyal path, you should know that nothing will happen, because it's the loyal path and that's not going to suddenly diverge into NTR unless you've made choices to make that happen. Therefore, any such cliffhanger would leave me wanting to see what was actually going on and having that sort of second-hand relief, when you find out that your wife wasn't actually doing anything with another guy. So yeah, it would definitely leave me wanting more, because I'd want the resolution of the scene, whichever path I was on, and the wait just builds suspense, and it's a valid narrative tool.

maybe it makes want to see what happens,but I understand people who don’t want it or don’t want u play the game anymore.Isn’t a thriller or adventure film,we don’t need "suspense” or “narrative tools”.
My friend sometimes u think too much,make even wondering u are a teacher or working in medical field lol

 

[ItsNotUs]

Honestly, this is a little disingenuous, 0.15 was not actually a whole update at all, just the 2nd update broken into 2 parts. You can say 0.2 did not end in a cliffhanger, but like my mate ItsNotUs said, there was no satisfying conclusion to 0.2 as well, it also ended with a interruption to what could have been the first true sex scene between the protagonists.
0.1 ended with a cliffhanger, and 3 updates in, if 0.3 is going to end like people are saying, that we are left to guess if nicole did something with that office guy or not, then this is a cliffhanger ending, it doesnt matter if you wish to acknowledge it that way or not.
So 3 out of 2 updates ends with a cliffhanger and 1 with an interruption. You always start mentioning you can't satisfy 100% of people whenever anyone suggests something went wrong, its not about satisfying 100% of people, with each of your update ending in uncertainty is getting really annoying, i mean no offense here, and now we would have to wait 3-4 months to see that if people indeed choose nicole to avoid NTR, then she would not have done anything with that office guy. This hurts the progression and experience of players.
A player having made all the choices right for nicole to avoid NTR and 0.3 ending with a situation that puts the player guessing whether nicole did something with that other guy or not is absolutely frustrating, yes the choices are definitely taking effect, but scenes like this are not helping non ntr playthroughs at all, they are absolutely hurting them. Idk if you will see this message or not, since i mostly get ignored on the thread, but if you do, i hope you take this as what it is, a honest criticism which majority people who are in this for the narrative share. And hopefully you put out an update correcting these errors.
These things usually wont matter when the game is 100% completed since no one would have to wait to see what happens, but this is hampering the non NTR playthrough experience a lot during development, and whenever anyone mentions this, you say you can satisfy 100% players.....it just sad

Someone posted this image here, here as well you mention you cannot please everyone, its not about pleasing everyone.... GetOutOfMyLab was absolutely correct here
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I have a slightly different opinion about the cliffhanger.
The dev himself said that NTR can be avoided and no matter what happened at the end of the new update, here, according to his words, you can conclude that nothing happened, because we trust the words of the dev! Then what is the point of such a cliffhanger if you know everything???

I saw a similar situation in another game, where the dev also made a cliffhanger ending.
There in the last picture you can see the "antagonist's" car, a man sits with his head up and his hands on the back of his head, MC wife leaned into his crotch, only the top of the head is visible!

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You have two thoughts at once: either she sucks him off, but knowing that the dev are not deceiving either and you are on the path of love then she will most likely puke. Those were my assumptions. A month passed, i played the new update and my predictions came true, she puked. So what is the point of such a cliffhanger?
That is, such a cliffhanger loses its meaning if the dev is honest and the NTR can be avoided, you immediately know that there is nothing like that there, i.e. there is no mystery!

 

[ItsNotUs]

I'm still slightly hungover, so I might be missing some stuff here, but let's see if I've got this right:

People don't want endings that leave you wanting more and get you excited for the next update, instead they want everything wrapped up in a nice little bow, and also for there to never be any interruptions to sex scenes (presumably because that's no allowed in some secret dev handbook or something?). And people want to complain about how things play out, and the results of choices they do or do not make, even though they've not yet played to find out what those choices are, which they will pick, and how indeed the game will therefore play out.

Did I miss anything? Personally, I can't wait to play the update, and comment on what actually happens, not what I think might happen based on what I've pieced together from comments by other people who may have made different choices to mine.

Yes, you missed a lot, as i said above, we are only discussing and judging the updates from the words of those who played, so who blatantly spoiled! The final verdict can only be made when we get the opportunity to play the new update!
And where was the sex scene not interrupted by a mother call!?

 

[getinge1]

I have absolutely no problems with cliffhangers to keep interest but what I don't like is the fact that the entire episode leads up to an event in which Nicole did or did not do something but instead of seeing how it plays out it cuts back to the husband who gets a picture on his phone of Nicole possibly about to do something and then the husband returns home to find Nicole. At this point whatever did or did not happen has already occurred and is over with. Once again we didn't get to see the best part of the episode. I assume it will pick up with Nicole and her husband discussing it. I don't want to read/listen to a recap I want to see the event. I understand the episode has to end at some point but I would rather it had just ended prior to the event and picked up in the next episode actually being able to see the event play out.