VN Ren'Py Memories [v0.3] [Deviloper]

[Filipis]

"75,000 words"

Thanks for posting the update news, do appreciate that. Such a laugh riot when devs cite text volume. If they boast "1400 renders!" no one starts to worry about "maybe there will be too many pictures for the dialogue!!"

I suppose because it's easier to brag about the large number of words than the sub 1k amount of renders - but in all honesty, NTR/NTS games rely heavily on the build up & plot than others. More words is usually better, just as long as the game doesn't get too verbose for the render count.

Also, given that the rendering hasn't even started yet, July release is expected, yes?

 

[TonyMurray]

"75,000 words"

Thanks for posting the update news, do appreciate that. Such a laugh riot when devs cite text volume. If they boast "1400 renders!" no one starts to worry about "maybe there will be too many pictures for the dialogue!!"

I suppose because it's easier to brag about the large number of words than the sub 1k amount of renders - but in all honesty, NTR/NTS games rely heavily on the build up & plot than others. More words is usually better, just as long as the game doesn't get too verbose for the render count.

I always find it difficult to judge update size/length in a (non-kinetic) game when you're talking about wordcount. How much of the dialogue is duplicated or "optional" because you have multiple choices to make as you play? Does the wordcount include simple stuff like the character name to say who is talking, any text coding instructions (such as to display in italics, add pauses, show text in a different colour, as opposed to regular coding such as dissolves, menus, labels, etc.), and stuff like that? It can make a big difference in the wordcount two different people give for the same script.

 

[Pr0GamerJohnny]

I always find it difficult to judge update size/length in a (non-kinetic) game when you're talking about wordcount. How much of the dialogue is duplicated or "optional" because you have multiple choices to make as you play? Does the wordcount include simple stuff like the character name to say who is talking, any text coding instructions (such as to display in italics, add pauses, show text in a different colour, as opposed to regular coding such as dissolves, menus, labels, etc.), and stuff like that? It can make a big difference in the wordcount two different people give for the same script.

Yah, this was exactly my point. Whereas usually it DOES work the other way around - given the render count, you can make a reasonable inference there'll be 2-3 times more dialogue lines than images. Granted it didn't help I just came from the BtW thread before posting that (a cautionary tale on wordcount as an indicator if there ever were one)

 

[Filipis]

I always find it difficult to judge update size/length in a (non-kinetic) game when you're talking about wordcount. How much of the dialogue is duplicated or "optional" because you have multiple choices to make as you play? Does the wordcount include simple stuff like the character name to say who is talking, any text coding instructions (such as to display in italics, add pauses, show text in a different colour, as opposed to regular coding such as dissolves, menus, labels, etc.), and stuff like that? It can make a big difference in the wordcount two different people give for the same script.

Well, both of us were making fun of the fact that devs use word counts as measure of an update size. It's kinda impossible to measure that unless the dev first writes a script in another program.

 

[Enlight432]

"75,000 words"

Thanks for posting the update news, do appreciate that. Such a laugh riot when devs cite text volume. If they boast "1400 renders!" no one starts to worry about "maybe there will be too many pictures for the dialogue!!"

I agree with you that many developers use this trick to hide a low number of renders
But the situation is different here
The developer hasn't even entered the rendering phase yet, so how would he know how many renders there will be

However, based on the proportion between the number of dialogues and renders in previous updates, the minimum number of renders will be 600, and this figure could increase up to a thousand renders
Considering that we allocate 3 months for this update and also take into account the high quality of the renders, I think it's a very good amount

 

[ItsNotUs]

I agree with you that many developers use this trick to hide a low number of renders
But the situation is different here
The developer hasn't even entered the rendering phase yet, so how would he know how many renders there will be

However, based on the proportion between the number of dialogues and renders in previous updates, the minimum number of renders will be 600, and this figure could increase up to a thousand renders
Considering that we allocate 3 months for this update and also take into account the high quality of the renders, I think it's a very good amount

What scares me is that more than a month has passed since the last update came out and dev not even started rendering yet. Has it at least he made an scenes or not?

 

[Enlight432]

The one you see above might just be a little glimpse of Nicole finally taking action to clear up some of her lingering questions. Let's just say... things are starting to get real.

clear up some of her lingering questions

What questions
Nicole is probably talking about boundaries

 

[Enlight432]

What scares me is that more than a month has passed since the last update came out and dev not even started rendering yet. Has it at least he made an scenes or not?

Based on this post, he hasn't entered the rendering phase yet
If we want to guess based on the developer's own words, rendering should take 2 to 3 months, meaning the entire update should take 3 to 4 months -- likely between 600 and 1000 renders
And if I remember correctly, he recently upgraded his system and now has a powerful graphics card

 

[ItsNotUs]

Based on this post, he hasn't entered the rendering phase yet
If we want to guess based on the developer's own words, rendering should take 2 to 3 months, meaning the entire update should take 3 to 4 months -- likely between 600 and 1000 renders
And if I remember correctly, he recently upgraded his system and now has a powerful graphics card

But he just recently said that he solved the problems with his PC and updates will be released as before every 1-2 months.
What has changed?

 

[Filipis]

Based on this post, he hasn't entered the rendering phase yet
If we want to guess based on the developer's own words, rendering should take 2 to 3 months, meaning the entire update should take 3 to 4 months -- likely between 600 and 1000 renders
And if I remember correctly, he recently upgraded his system and now has a powerful graphics card

He promised faster updates, since 0.3 took him 4 months because of "technical issues".

Either he finishes rendering the update in just under 2 months, or this dev is blowing smoke in our faces.

 

[Enlight432]

But he just recently said that he solved the problems with his PC and updates will be released as before every 1-2 months.
What has changed?

I really don't know
But personal preference: I prefer a large update in 4 months (double the content) over a small update in 2 months
(Especially recently, with these "phone games" coming out where each update is only 5 minutes long, this preference has intensified! )

 

[Enlight432]

He promised faster updates, since 0.3 took him 4 months because of "technical issues".

Either he finishes rendering the update in just under 2 months, or this dev is blowing smoke in our faces.

I have no problem with a broken promise that yields positive results
We'll have to see why it's taking longer. Maybe double the content? The problem is that he doesn't go online for some reason and we probably won't know the answer to this question anytime soon

 

[ItsNotUs]

I really don't know
But personal preference: I prefer a large update in 4 months (double the content) over a small update in 2 months
(Especially recently, with these "phone games" coming out where each update is only 5 minutes long, this preference has intensified! )

I'm not talking about preference!
I'm talking about the fact that the dev himselves apologized for the long delay and promised to return to the previous schedule of releasing updates(1-2 months).

And as for the content/time issue - here everyone has their own tastes, someone can be happy with just a large amount of text and the release of updates once a year or more, there are many such examples.

 

[Enlight432]

I'm not talking about preference!
I'm talking about the fact that the dev himselves apologized for the long delay and promised to return to the previous schedule of releasing updates(1-2 months).

And as for the content/time issue - here everyone has their own tastes, someone can be happy with just a large amount of text and the release of updates once a year or more, there are many such examples.

The problem is the lack of communication
What if he comes and says this update that's going to take 4 months will have 1000 renders? I don't think anyone would be upset then! A thousand renders in 4 months
But the problem is that he doesn't go online, we don't know anything, we don't know how many renders these 80,000 words will have, and so on

 

[GothicGazelle]

I have no problem with a broken promise that yields positive results
We'll have to see why it's taking longer. Maybe double the content? The problem is that he doesn't go online for some reason and we probably won't know the answer to this question anytime soon

Man, I'm really curious what his main gig is that he can't get online for a single minute

 

[ItsNotUs]

The problem is the lack of communication
What if he comes and says this update that's going to take 4 months will have 1000 renders? I don't think anyone would be upset then! A thousand renders in 4 months
But the problem is that he doesn't go online, we don't know anything, we don't know how many renders these 80,000 words will have, and so on

You are confusing the number of renders and content, because your first statement was correct!
I can agree that i am ready to wait 4 months if there is content in the new update. I hope you understand what content i am talking about?

There are just many examples where when an update comes out you see a render counter of 1k+ and the content is essentially updates blah blah blah...

 

[TonyMurray]

Man, I'm really curious what his main gig is that he can't get online for a single minute

There's a difference between "can't get online" and "doesn't get online". Some people aren't great at marketing, so you get devs who put out their releases and even if they're as regular as clockwork, they might not give any status updates in between. Maybe they don't feel like they need to, maybe they don't know what to write, maybe they're not very organised and they literally just don't remember to do it (or perhaps more likely, they just don't think to do it, because maybe it's not important to them).

Basically what I'm saying is I'm sure the dev can get online, he just might not have the desire to come here (or to his Patreon, etc.) to answer these specific questions.

 

[Enlight432]

You are confusing the number of renders and content, because your first statement was correct!
I can agree that i am ready to wait 4 months if there is content in the new update. I hope you understand what content i am talking about?

There are just many examples where when an update comes out you see a render counter of 1k+ and the content is essentially updates blah blah blah...

I know what you mean and I agree with you
The track record of this game in this regard has been positive so far. Every update has contained good sexual scenes and teasing, and story progression

For example, the last update:
Nicole's mother entered the story
We learned about her relationship with Nicole and her backstory
The MC got a promotion, a personal office, and a personal secretary in his job
A sexual scene with Nicole's mom
The bar scene which could be a turning point for NTR or cuckolding

My point is that I was satisfied with the story and sexual content of this update. The track record has been positive, and I hope it stays this way in the future

 

[Enlight432]

There's a difference between "can't get online" and "doesn't get online". Some people aren't great at marketing, so you get devs who put out their releases and even if they're as regular as clockwork, they might not give any status updates in between. Maybe they don't feel like they need to, maybe they don't know what to write, maybe they're not very organised and they literally just don't remember to do it (or perhaps more likely, they just don't think to do it, because maybe it's not important to them).

Basically what I'm saying is I'm sure the dev can get online, he just might not have the desire to come here (or to his Patreon, etc.) to answer these specific questions.

I choose the option "He believes there's no need for communication" from the options you provided

 

[ItsNotUs]

I know what you mean and I agree with you
The track record of this game in this regard has been positive so far. Every update has contained good sexual scenes and teasing, and story progression

For example, the last update:
Nicole's mother entered the story
We learned about her relationship with Nicole and her backstory
The MC got a promotion, a personal office, and a personal secretary in his job
A sexual scene with Nicole's mom
The bar scene which could be a turning point for NTR or cuckolding

My point is that I was satisfied with the story and sexual content of this update. The track record has been positive, and I hope it stays this way in the future

Yes, but the 0.3 version did not have a large number of renders, but due to problems with the dev's PC, it went into a 4-month timeing, although in terms of the number of renders and content, such an update could have come out in 2+ months, i.e. if we are talking about development in 4 months, then I hope to see a double portion as part 0.3 and not the same!