VN Ren'Py Memories [v0.4] [Deviloper]

[Radnos Salazar]

Read the text on the screen. No, she doesn't kiss him in that scenario, but this can hardly be termed the "love route" when he's packed full of jealousy. I realize this is often used as a proxy for "non-share" or "non-ntr" route, but it's particularly misapplied here. You're literally playing a game about a couple dabbling in swinging.

What's jealousy got to do with whether you term a route "Love route" or not?, on the love route MC is being more possessive, that does not mean that's not a love route.
Love route would also include nicole not "Wanting" to have intimate moments with "Other Men", which was evidenced by the fact she pushes him away. There's no point in arguing terminology here, when "Love Route" for everyone just basically boils down to no other men should be involved, FFM, Cuckqueaning, exhibitionism etc are generally what people expect on the "Love Route".
This is clearly not a Vanilla Love game so, usually no one would expect Love route to just mean plain vanilla love story.

 

[Enlight432]

My greatest assumption is:
https://f95zone.to/threads/memories-v0-2-deviloper.229046/post-15883200

2. let him hold her hands or not

I already reviewed the script, and when checking the parameters for kissing and groping the breasts, this option has no effect and is not even referenced.

As for the cheating path, everything is blurry for me

Exactly, as I explained in the post above, this path is very unclear. Nicole's behavior in this route doesn't make sense, which suggests the developer probably didn't give it much attention. That said, the "wife sharing" path progresses smoothly without any behavioral inconsistencies and is excellent

 

[Pr0GamerJohnny]

What's jealousy got to do with whether you term a route "Love route" or not?, on the love route MC is being more possessive, that does not mean that's not a love route.
Love route would also include nicole not "Wanting" to have intimate moments with "Other Men", which was evidenced by the fact she pushes him away. There's no point in arguing terminology here, when "Love Route" for everyone just basically boils down to no other men should be involved, FFM, Cuckqueaning, exhibitionism etc are generally what people expect on the "Love Route".
This is clearly not a Vanilla Love game so, usually no one would expect Love route to just mean plain vanilla love story.

What on earth does "love" have to do with anything on that? lol just call it the possessive route. Whatever, it doesnt matter, I'm not gonna get legions of players who use this erroneously to change.

It's definitely a matter of personal taste. If you look at the posts in this thread, you'll see many people, including myself, who have fallen in love with Nicole
That said, the other models are also amazing, and I've fallen for them too

Yeah Nicole easily beats the blondie, but she's not bad.

 

[Radnos Salazar]

Whatever, it doesnt matter, I'm not gonna get legions of players who use this erroneously to change.

Exactly, and why does the terminology matter soo much?

 

[ItsNotUs]

Read the text on the screen. No, she doesn't kiss him in that scenario, but this can hardly be termed the "love route" when he's packed full of jealousy. I realize this is often used as a proxy for "non-share" or "non-ntr" route, but it's particularly misapplied here. You're literally playing a game about a couple dabbling in swinging.

Therefore, the path of love is in quotation marks, but with all this, if the player does not want to, he can prevent betrayal, etc. those. no matter what the characters experience, in the end they will be able to remain faithful to themselves! MC has a choice not to kiss a girl in a restaurant.
I understand what you are talking about and what MC is thinking about, his experiences, but this is a case where a player can play with fire, but not get burned!

 

[Pr0GamerJohnny]

Exactly, and why does the terminology matter soo much?

I mean i suppose it doesnt, but why does it matter for anything? I could say "This is a great game about playing checkers" and by checkers I actually mean having sex Words matter for conveying ideas to other people. However, your point is well taken that it's a vast minority of players who would come in here actually looking for "love" themes - 95% would use that as a proxy for "male power fantasy" - and I'm not gonna change that.

 

[Joshy92]

People are focusing too much on a kiss. What if she tells the MC the next morning? it won't be cheating then.

 

[Radnos Salazar]

the only bad thing that happens is that the other guy puts his hand on Nicole's back,

Putting his hand on her back? Are you talking about the washroom scene here? If you are then i think the man places his hand on the wall and leans in to kiss nicole. I dont remember if he puts his hand on her

 

[Pr0GamerJohnny]

People are focusing too much on a kiss. What if she tells the MC the next morning? it won't be cheating then.

A nice touch woulda been the dev adding a scene that if you were on the 'encourage her to mess around' path, but didnt have her drink, and didnt intervene at dinner, then she briefly stopped by your table to "check in" - it'd be consistent with the narrative.

 

[ItsNotUs]

If you're on the FFM path, also known as the Love Route, and you make the two choices mentioned above, the only bad thing that happens is that the other guy puts his hand on Nicole's back, but she quickly stops him. However, she's not upset with the guy, and they return together
If she doesn’t drink wine, she’s more alert and won’t even let him put his hand on her back. She quickly moves away from him and appears upset
In other words, the FFM path likely splits into two routes: Sharing and pure FFM

The other path is the Cheating route, where you encounter a completely different version of Nicole, and nothing makes sense. Entering the Cheating route requires seeing corruption and a fight between the MC and FMC, or scenarios like blackmail, none of which are present here

As I wrote above, alcohol turns off Nicole’s brain and maybe the dev just with this move and the fact that MC encourages her will lead her to sex with others.

 

[Joshy92]

A nice touch woulda been the dev adding a scene that if you were on the 'encourage her to mess around' path, but didnt have her drink, and didnt intervene at dinner, then she briefly stopped by your table to "check in" - it'd be consistent with the narrative.

Thats a very good idea Johnny. I would have much preferred that to what we got.

 

[Radnos Salazar]

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I Think you chose something else....the "Love Route" choice shows the following reaction from nicole, she does not feel comfortable and pushes the man away while going out of the restroom before him.
Choices i made for this outcome:
Choose MC getting closer to other women
Let her drink the wine
Smile and nodded when the man was touching her hand.
And kept watching trusting nicole and did not intervene in the restroom

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If you choose to intervene in the rest room then the guy puts his hand on nicole she smiles and says something to him while they walk away together. This could mean potential swinging/sharing
If you choose to "keep watching" in the rest room scene most probably meaning MC trusts nicole, nicole feels uncomfortable and does not want the man touching her so she pushes him away, this looks like a love route choice.

 

[Radnos Salazar]

I Think you chose something else....the "Love Route" choice shows the following reaction from nicole, she does not feel comfortable and pushes the man away while going out of the restroom before him.
Choices i made for this outcome:
Choose MC getting closer to other women
Let her drink the wine
Smile and nodded when the man was touching her hand.
And kept watching trusting nicole and did not intervene in the restroom

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If you choose to intervene in the rest room then the guy puts his hand on nicole she smiles and says something to him while they walk away together. This could mean potential swinging/sharing
If you choose to "keep watching" in the rest room scene, nicole feels uncomfortable and does not want the man touching her so she pushes him away, this looks like a love route choice.

Addition:
To bring this same outcome of nicole not wanting the man to touch her,
Mc can also decide to warn about the drinks that's it. The later choice about the hand as well as intervening at the restroom will not matter in this case if you have warned about the wine.
But if you have not warned about the wine, then the following choice of hand holding will not matter, then keep watching choice in the restroom needs to be selected which will give you the love route outcome, and intervening will give you the sharing outcome

 

[packard1928]

Not to throw a kink into this but I am not sure she went to the ladies room when she got up from the table. We see Nicole and the John in a hallway. When they leave, they pass by our MC hiding in a off place. When MC starts to leave he gets snagged by the blonde. You can see the sign for the ladies room on the door as he approaches it. So how could Nicole have gone here ? Am I reading to much into this ?

 

[Radnos Salazar]

One question about the Non-monogamous Relationship path remains unanswered:
Why do the parameters in the script change this way for the two choices above?

Intervene:
          rom +1
          jeal +1

Keep Watching:
              corp +1
              cuck +1
              openm +1

This feels soo confusing again lol, There's no way to justify this point distribution.
Let us assume "MC Getting with other girls" is the default choice, then
If you don't let nicole drink the wine, no matter what you choose nicole will not let the man touch her and will feel uncomfortable indicating a love choice.
But, if you do let her drink the wine, then intervene will give you the nicole smiling at the man and letting him touch her which indicate sharing possibilities (How can this scene give rom+1 and jeal+1?), while keep watching will give the nicole being uncomfortable scene which was obtained if you warn about the wine.
I think the dev has made some mistakes in the code?

 

[OWSam000]

Too much discussion for a short scene. Hope Dev will answer some question here.

 

[packard1928]

Understand.. This may have been clearer if we had a Nicole poit of view. We would then know " why" she got up from the table and where she went.

 

[OWSam000]

Understand.. This may have been clearer if we had a Nicole poit of view. We would then know " why" she got up from the table and where she went.

The suitable reason I can think of is that she want to cool off herself whether she had too much drink or not, but not expect the man to follow her.

 

[packard1928]

I like that ! But again if we had her POV it would be clearer ... it would also answer her intent... ie cheating route .

 

[packard1928]

Maybe it is coming.. I would have liked to seen some more discussion at the bar over what each thought of the night. Nicole went into this with a very cautious attitude. Love to here what she thought after she had a small encounter with a handsome gent !