VN Ren'Py Completed Mesmerized - An Intoxicated Story [v1.00.1] [The Dark Moonshine]

[DA22]

Shes not a love interest, she is a happily married woman (that the MC is perving over) having sex with her loving spouse.

Yeah but it is still an other dick scene with an MC that has not had any true action for himself with a character that we know MC will get to at some moment. Is it NTR nope, is it a scene many players do not like to see in a game about their male MC and his sexual exploits for their own reasons, whether jealousy, they want MC to be first shown with her or just do not find any scene without MC hot or consider it a waste of time that could have been used for a hot scene. For sure, even if avoidable. Even if it might be very selfish of them, just as selfish as someone who loves those scenes to want to have them included .

In the end it is up to the dev though and what he wants, me personally I prefer not to have those scenes in games like these and others have a different opinion. Hair splitting over legal definitions what is NTR or not about things and fetishes some people like or do not like does not stop those flaming wars, but feeds them. Just accept some people hate them and others love them and as a dev be sure you include what you want and be aware of the impact it has avoidable or not on your game, whether it is officially the one tag or something else that we miss the tags for.

(Now personally for me it was a skip the scene thing, but with the lesbian sex also there and how little Mc has done himself even if he is making very slow progress it does take away from the original excitement I had for game and it feels more like everyone has action but MC and if stays that way much longer, it is time to forget about game, it for sure did not raise my enthusiasm for it but opposite. I tend to play male Mc games for the mc's action not for the sex life of the npc's shown.).

 

[ExMachinaEV]

Shes not a love interest, she is a happily married woman (that the MC is perving over) having sex with her loving spouse.

MC's mother is "happily married", so what?, she's still a LI, it's NTR.
If MC's mother isn't a LI he wouldn't have any sexual interaction with her.

 

[DA22]

MC's mother is "happily married", so what?, she's still a LI, it's NTR

Nope it is other dick and a scene you did not want in your game for your own reasons, which is fair enough. Now if that really hurts the game for you and makes it unplayable for you, best option is to give up on this game. It is clear not only MC action will be shown in this game by now whether you like that or not. That discussion whether something is or is not NTR by whoever's definition is futile anyway, it is about whether the game in the end is enjoyable to you or not and if has too many element that makes it not enjoyable, it is time to move on.

 

[ExMachinaEV]

Nope it is other dick and a scene you did not want in your game for your own reasons, which is fair enough. Now if that really hurts the game for you and makes it unplayable for you, best option is to give up on this game. It is clear not only MC action will be shown in this game by now whether you like that or not. That discussion whether something is or is not NTR by whoever's definition is futile anyway, it is about whether the game in the end is enjoyable to you or not and if has too many element that makes it not enjoyable, it is time to move on.

I'm explaining why the game is NTR don't change the subject

 

[Stil996]

MC's mother is "happily married", so what?, she's still a LI, it's NTR.
If MC's mother isn't a LI he wouldn't have any sexual interaction with her.

LI stand for Love Interest, ie someone you are in a relationship with. Girlfriend/Boyfriend/Wife/Husband
NTR is about adultery, when your LI is stolen from you, it's the helplessness that character feels as they go through heartbreak, jealousy, depression, fear, rage.

I wish people would take some time to learn the words they use, if you don't like that other characters have sex without your ineraction then come up with a word that means that. Stop mangling established words/concepts

 

[The Dark Moonshine]

MC's mother is "happily married", so what?, she's still a LI, it's NTR.
If MC's mother isn't a LI he wouldn't have any sexual interaction with her.

I think obviously everyone has different sensibilities on the subject.

I can tell you that we don't consider NTR because at the moment there is no romantic relationship between Mother and MC.
Mom is married to Dad. (so the cuckold in any case will be Dad, not MC)
Otherwise also the lesbian scene between Mrs Loveday and Mom should be NTR.

For this specific scene, for us, it's voyeurism (and we like it a lot), not NTR.

 

[Stil996]

You are all wrong, this is the correct definition. And the scene here doesnt apply because protagonist doesnt experience jealousy or any other negative feeling. Its all about perspective from the protagonist since players are most of the time projecting themselves to some degree on the protagonist.

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Read what you are replying to bud, quote the parts that contradict whats in my post

 

[Stil996]

But yeah, including a lot of scenes where other men are fucking around with potential love interests, even though it's not netorare if the protagonist doesn't feel jealous it's of bad taste to most players.

So make a tag that decribes that, stop fucking up established terms.

Ooohhh I like this shade of green, but I don't know what to call it, I know.... I'll call it Yellow!

 

[clowns234]

But yeah, including a lot of scenes where other men are fucking around with potential love interests, even though it's not netorare if the protagonist doesn't feel jealous it's of bad taste to most players.

So make a tag that decribes that, stop fucking up established terms.

Ooohhh I like this shade of green, but I don't know what to call it, I know.... I'll call it Yellow!

Since this is F95's forum, it only makes sense to follow their tag definitions.
"Designed" to cause "jealousy"... The player is not the designer.
If the game has already been tagged with 'voyeurism' or 'sharing' or 'cheating', then a person that doesn't like these things should think twice before playing it. It doesn't need the NTR tag - unless the game specifically is designed for NTR.
In this game, his parents are a married couple. It's normal for them to have sex.

 

[DA22]

Since this is F95's forum, it only makes sense to follow their tag definitions.
"Designed" to cause "jealousy"... The player is not the designer.
If the game has already been tagged with 'voyeurism' or 'sharing' or 'cheating', then a person that doesn't like these things should think twice before playing it. It doesn't need the NTR tag - unless the game specifically is designed for NTR.
In this game, his parents are a married couple. It's normal for them to have sex.

Yeah but showing it is a choice that has consequences for the game as well and how it is perceived by various different people. It is clearly a choice by devs to do so, so fair enough and no use to debate too much what is a LI and whether this game actually has LI's anyway or is romantic with way how MC is setup in the first place , personally I would not mind if all the ladies were sluts in this game, I just do not like the focus on others having sex shown as MC that is 100% of the real sex scenes until now in this game and cooled my enthusiasm by a lot.

For us as players, well as always decide for yourself if this game as is makes u enthusiastic or go limp and then follow it or walk away. No one is holding a gun to your head and obliging you to play it or support it financially

 

[UrchinHank]

Ugh. Some people's ideas of NTR...
I have a girlfriend that used to be married.
Oh noes, NTR!!!!
Cheat on me while we are in a relationship?
Yeah, that's a different thing, and why I have an ex that, while we were long distance, I found out cheated on me with a guy with no eyebrows and THAT bothered me a lot. Even though we broke up (not over that, but that was in the back of my mind... a semi quote from Terry Pratchett, "It's a skill to know when someone is lying to you, it's a far better skill to be able to know when someone is lying to you, and NOT LET ON.") that is something that bothers me. I am kinda happy she married the no eyebrows guy, 'cause he's likely to be the one cheated on in the future and not me. [Ugh schadenfreude, and I want to be better than that, but I'm not.]
Different things.
Also, I probably drink at least as much as most of the cast on the regular. From coming home I have finished a bottle of Captain Morgan's Private Stock, and am starting on a fifth of Captain Morgan Black.
Yes I know it might be problematic, but I'm up by 6am every day I have to work, fulfill my days at work with no more problems than come from my current career path (Lordy, I miss writing screenplays), and my kidneys and liver don't hurt on the regular.
Problematic? Yes.
Unrealistic?
Sadly... no.
Also, I have been drinking HEAVILY since I got home. Work called and now I need to come in early tomorrow, my day off, to handle a difficult situation, and I will successfully do that.
Also, being on salary sucks sometimes.
=(

 

[Ozygator]

Yeah but it is still an other dick scene with an MC that has not had any true action for himself with a character that we know MC will get to at some moment. Is it NTR nope, is it a scene many players do not like to see in a game about their male MC and his sexual exploits for their own reasons, whether jealousy, they want MC to be first shown with her or just do not find any scene without MC hot or consider it a waste of time that could have been used for a hot scene. For sure, even if avoidable. Even if it might be very selfish of them, just as selfish as someone who loves those scenes to want to have them included .

In the end it is up to the dev though and what he wants, me personally I prefer not to have those scenes in games like these and others have a different opinion. Hair splitting over legal definitions what is NTR or not about things and fetishes some people like or do not like does not stop those flaming wars, but feeds them. Just accept some people hate them and others love them and as a dev be sure you include what you want and be aware of the impact it has avoidable or not on your game, whether it is officially the one tag or something else that we miss the tags for.

(Now personally for me it was a skip the scene thing, but with the lesbian sex also there and how little Mc has done himself even if he is making very slow progress it does take away from the original excitement I had for game and it feels more like everyone has action but MC and if stays that way much longer, it is time to forget about game, it for sure did not raise my enthusiasm for it but opposite. I tend to play male Mc games for the mc's action not for the sex life of the npc's shown.).

So to summarize your post: Some feel like "HOW DARE THE DEV SHOW PORN IN A PORN GAME!!!" even if the character is not, and will never be a LI for the MC. Ok, got it.

Yep, thats a pretty narrow mindset some people can have for sure, especially since we can assume they are ok with borderline rape by the MC having sex with someone who is too drunk to know what's going on. Same thing with being ok with a MC having 'sleep sex' with someone, again borderline (really depending on your country, district or state's legal definition) rape. Don't really see people clamorring over that tag like they do the NTR one, which probably says a lot about the average player who is so vocal about that aspect of things.

And to clarify, showing NPC's havign sex in a porn game, that the MC will never be involved with would not be voyeurism, it's just, you know, porn in a porn game, lol.

 

[DA22]

So to summarize your post: Some feel like "HOW DARE THE DEV SHOW PORN IN A PORN GAME!!!" even if the character is not, and will never be a LI for the MC. Ok, got it.

Yep, thats a pretty narrow mindset some people can have for sure, especially since we can assume they are ok with borderline rape by the MC having sex with someone who is too drunk to know what's going on. Same thing with being ok with a MC having 'sleep sex' with someone, again borderline (really depending on your country, district or state's legal definition) rape. Don't really see people clamorring over that tag like they do the NTR one, which probably says a lot about the average player who is so vocal about that aspect of things.

And to clarify, showing NPC's havign sex in a porn game, that the MC will never be involved with would not be voyeurism, it's just, you know, porn in a porn game, lol.

Lol, go get sober. I think the dev himself said it quite a lot better as you did and I would have had let it rest at that post of his happily. He was clear about his choices and how he saw them, without being either apologetic or insulting. https://f95zone.to/threads/mesmeriz...v0-6-1-the-dark-moonshine.100130/post-7888175

The mom will be fucked by MC as well, just you know people have their fetishes and things they like in porn and dislike in it, I shame or forbid none of those so long as a game about pixels. Still that does not mean I have to get turned on by lesbian sex or having seeing the dad in action in a male MC game for me and others while others again love it. Do I have to wash my eyes with bleach after? , no but they are a downer to me instead of exciting and if then look to the sex MC had, it is actually zero until now. Also stop the more believable card please, for the fetish you like more on both sides.

Nothing changes about that whether you want to call it NTR, voyeurism or something different (for me the intention to take away or make them unfit for their intended role is a stronger argument why this is not NTR, but that is not part of this sites definition and in the end a useless argument to have) , or debate for hours whether Mom is a (future) love interest or maybe better in this case victim or not (and even if not, well Japanese sites do include them under the emotional interests anyway together with sisters and daughters whether existing or future girlfriend or not ) or Mrs Loveday is even a love interest as such or they are all just sluts/intended sex toys, that others as our male MC fucks until now and will have to possibly keep sharing, where he needs hypnosis for what others get on the go.

Just after that lesbian scene also the scene with the dad (it feels right now in the end the game is more about Mom's sex life as that of MC in his game ), made the game lose quite a bit of the promise it held for me, whether you like that or not. Where just one of both with MC having had sex as well would not have felt as unbalanced as way it is going now. If MC gets loads of actions in coming updates that can still be fine for me I will fast forward those other scenes that luckily at least miss outright assholes, but if other action is more as 50% in total over the Mc scenes I tend to lose interest fast in male mc protagonist games that are about getting the women for MC. It is not my game or my decision though, but devs. My decision is whether I will ever get to those MC sex scenes or give up on game for the other dick/pussy sex scenes before it ever gets there.

 

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[The Dark Moonshine]

Lol, go get sober. I think the dev himself said it quite a lot better as you did and I would have had let it rest at that post of his happily. He was clear about his choices and how he saw them, without being either apologetic or insulting. https://f95zone.to/threads/mesmeriz...v0-6-1-the-dark-moonshine.100130/post-7888175

The mom will be fucked by MC as well, just you know people have their fetishes and things they like in porn and dislike in it, I shame or forbid none of those so long as a game about pixels. Still that does not mean I have to get turned on by lesbian sex or having seeing the dad in action in a male MC game for me and others while others again love it. Do I have to wash my eyes with bleach after? , no but they are a downer to me instead of exciting and if then look to the sex MC had, it is actually zero until now. Also stop the more believable card please, for the fetish you like more on both sides.

Nothing changes about that whether you want to call it NTR, voyeurism or something different (for me the intention to take away or make them unfit for their intended role is a stronger argument why this is not NTR, but that is not part of this sites definition and in the end a useless argument to have) , or debate for hours whether Mom is a (future) love interest or maybe better in this case victim or not (and even if not, well Japanese sites do include them under the emotional interests anyway together with sisters and daughters whether existing or future girlfriend or not ) or Mrs Loveday is even a love interest as such or they are all just sluts/intended sex toys, that others as our male MC fucks until now and will have to possibly keep sharing, where he needs hypnosis for what others get on the go.

Just after that lesbian scene also the scene with the dad (it feels right now in the end the game is more about Mom's sex life as that of MC in his game ), made the game lose quite a bit of the promise it held for me, whether you like that or not. Where just one of both with MC having had sex as well would not have felt as unbalanced as way it is going now. If MC gets loads of actions in coming updates that can still be fine for me I will fast forward those other scenes that luckily at least miss outright assholes, but if other action is more as 50% in total over the Mc scenes I tend to lose interest fast in male mc protagonist games that are about getting the women for MC. It is not my game or my decision though, but devs. My decision is whether I will ever get to those MC sex scenes or give up on game for the other dick/pussy sex scenes before it ever gets there.

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[The Dark Moonshine]

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[UrchinHank]

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[The Dark Moonshine]

Done.

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[The Dark Moonshine]

Done.

Can I ask you if you see two posts? (one public and one only for the subscriber).
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[UrchinHank]

Can I ask you if you see two posts? (one public and one only for the subscriber).
Thanks!

I see the "Ok, let's start" one, and then the "Bonus Image!" one.