fairyglen
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Oh my days man the flip are you asking for then? Be more precise. You ask for an up to date and it was 4 days ago. i suspect you want the spoiler with the renders.if it’s the case then go back like 2 or 3 pages back It was posted by IHATESlowburnBluBallgames
I don’t do no hocus pocus that’ll be my last say in that matter since even you don’t know what you’re looking for
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The link you provided was 4 days ago. I already posted it and PureoSpice gave you the link to that post. Seriously dude, if you are not satisfied use the search. every updates on the dev patreon was posted here.
At least you tried
Grumpybum
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Yeah but cant you or PureoSpice hack the Devs PC or something to see a more up to date progress report....the poor guy is desperate and 4 days ago is like 2 weeks....The link you provided was 4 days ago. I already posted it and PureoSpice gave you the link to that post. Seriously dude, if you are not satisfied use the search. every updates on the dev patreon was posted here.
At least you tried
Grumpybum
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To reach both target audiences I imagine, plenty of games here have both.
Babalui
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Ask a more precise question. what do you mean by NTR? Many do not distinguish Netorare, Netorase and Netori.
A good harem game usually has Netori in it, there are harem games that don't have a single male character other than the main protagonist. I'd say this isn't that kind of harem game.
"And why are more and more harem and NTR games appearing?" This question is perfect for asking artificial intelligence. Don't worry, I did it for you. Here's what GROK says:
Why the Increase?
- Low Barriers to Entry for Indies: Tools like Ren'Py make VNs easy/cheap to create. AI art/CG (e.g., Stable Diffusion) speeds production. Devs fund via Patreon/Subscribestar—Patreon payouts for adult games hit millions yearly.
- Platform Boom: Steam/itch.io/DLsite/Ci-en allow direct adult uploads (Steam post-Greenlight). F95zone uploads exploded with translations.
- Translations & Imports: Machine learning (e.g., GPT/MLT) enables quick JP eroge ports where NTR/harem are staples. COVID gave translators time; ~168 completed NTR imports in one year alone.
- Demand & Trends:
- Harem: Ultimate male power fantasy, ties to isekai anime/manga boom. Easy to market multiple routes/Live2D waifus. Appeals broadly (e.g., Steam wishlists).
- NTR: Niche but vocal fetish (jealousy, betrayal, "realism"). JP popular for years; West catching up via forums. Devs add optional NTR paths for edge—tag inflation (any cheating = NTR) boosts counts.
- Forums like F95 hype it; "vocal minority" devs chase Patreon bucks despite haters.
- Cultural Shifts: Young men discovering eroge (2D > 3D); post-COVID escapism. NTR devs experiment for "dull vanilla" audiences.
In short: The adult VN market grew ~5x since 2020 due to tech/platforms; harem/NTR ride the wave as proven sellers. If it feels overwhelming, it's partly confirmation bias from tags/updates—but data confirms growth.
Tuatha Dé
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Netorare (NTR) is listed as a planned tag; I was referring specifically to that genre.
Babalui
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Where does it say that? I looked on Patreon and found this list, which is also here in the first post:
Planned Tags
3DCG | Ren’Py | Animated | Male Protagonist | MILF | Romance | Mystery | Hypersexual Themes | Peeking/Secret Watching | Teasing | Intimate Scenes | Alternative Play | Slow Burn | Psychological Drama | Seduction | Harem | Exaggerated Expressions | Manipulation Themes | Temptation & Degradation | Group Play | Multiple Partners | and more…
I guess "MORE" could be NTR you can never be sure. If one of the rich cuckolds throws enough money in front of the author who knows?
We've already discussed NTR before; see previous posts.
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Yes, this game does contain NTR. However, the type of NTR I refer to is the kind that could realistically occur in everyday life. Most of the female characters in this game are married, middle-aged women, and there is no premise that they do not have sexual lives of their own. That said, any NTR will occur to a degree under the protagonist’s narrative control, and aside from scenes that naturally arise from a character’s profession or personal sexual life, I will not depict NTR in an excessive or persistent manner. Of course, players will also be given the option to skip such scenes. I have seen comments criticizing the scene in the park. This was something I had been conflicted about myself, and it was originally a scene I considered removing because it did not match my style. However, it is something that has already been implemented. In conclusion, NTR scenes will be skippable, and there will be no extreme or sensational NTR portrayals. NTR is simply one part of this game—nothing more. Thank you!
Babalui
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That event in the park is miles away from Netorare, some people are so eager for solipsistic harem games that they declare the presence of male NPCs to be Netorare. This desire for unadulterated bliss of course destroys any tension and turns games into watching paint dry on a wall. The game is on the right track, I hope the author doesn't waver.
Park incident: The male protagonist is quite passive, but it's not Netorare (NTR). The plot is similar to the male protagonist and Marie being dominated and trained by a stranger couple (fingering the vagina and forced kissing). That woman is not a random passerby character—the developer said she will return later, and she might also become a love interest (if that's the case, then yes, you've already seen a potential love interest being fucked in advance, but it doesn't count as NTR because at that point she has no relationship with the protagonist).I don't care if there's NTR content (since there definitely will be). What I hope is that in the harem route, the plot doesn't progress too slowly—for example, other NTR rival males have already creampied the love interests multiple times, while the male protagonist is still in the flirting stage. Also, it's best if the male protagonist isn't a weak, cowardly cuckold
Right, if we mostly see future Li doing stuff with other men most of the time, while MC flirts and watches until he grows a pair, then it's not worth playing. Plus, with harem/pregnancy tags, we will never know if Mc is the father, if another male has already creampied them.
So if we only get to watch all the other Li's get past around/ watch scenes with their partners before MC does anything, then. It's more catered to sharing/ NTR/ voyeurism fans and less harem/ romance fans.
The only way I can see is to make future scenes avoidable instead of skippable, if the dev is putting every tag in the game and hoping to succeed.
or have two routes
1. is sharing, voyeurism, open relationship players (with skippable scenes)
2. is for harem/ players dont see future Li getting banged. They can control thoughts of future Li's decisions, "yes to sex" or "no to sex"(avoidable)
Yes, it's double the work, but throwing all tags in with skippable scenes most of the time never works out.
Im fine with avoidable tags in harem games, as long as it's avoidable from the beginning with future Li's (I don't care if I see a random couple doing stuff).
Skippable scenes with avoidable scenes mixed in the game don't work together, because either side won't like it.
I will see how the dev handles the scenes with other Future Li's, but if another scene like the park, where the MC and the woman on a bench sit there and have a woman do that shit while the MC acts like a coward (future scenes, MC watches woman fuck and does nothing), then I'll ignore it.
So if we only get to watch all the other Li's get past around/ watch scenes with their partners before MC does anything, then. It's more catered to sharing/ NTR/ voyeurism fans and less harem/ romance fans.
The only way I can see is to make future scenes avoidable instead of skippable, if the dev is putting every tag in the game and hoping to succeed.
or have two routes
1. is sharing, voyeurism, open relationship players (with skippable scenes)
2. is for harem/ players dont see future Li getting banged. They can control thoughts of future Li's decisions, "yes to sex" or "no to sex"(avoidable)
Yes, it's double the work, but throwing all tags in with skippable scenes most of the time never works out.
Im fine with avoidable tags in harem games, as long as it's avoidable from the beginning with future Li's (I don't care if I see a random couple doing stuff).
Skippable scenes with avoidable scenes mixed in the game don't work together, because either side won't like it.
I will see how the dev handles the scenes with other Future Li's, but if another scene like the park, where the MC and the woman on a bench sit there and have a woman do that shit while the MC acts like a coward (future scenes, MC watches woman fuck and does nothing), then I'll ignore it.
Babalui
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This stupid stereotyping, categorization, and formulaic prescription makes games completely boring, like food we've tried a million times before. A bunch of black and white images, thrown at the consumer like slop is thrown to pigs.
And always the same story when a game with potential appears. Pressure on the author to create a game that will satisfy a hunger that cannot be satisfied, because they want excitement without adventure, and there is simply no such thing. If you want excitement, you have to stand on the edge, excitement is not created by quantity but by quality. I suggest you trust the author and let him develop the story, or develop your own story if you don't like this one. Compromises and trying to satisfy the audience usually lead to mediocrity, which has been seen a hundred times before. That's why I once again support the author, in the hope that he doesn't give up on his vision and continues the story as he imagined it.
And always the same story when a game with potential appears. Pressure on the author to create a game that will satisfy a hunger that cannot be satisfied, because they want excitement without adventure, and there is simply no such thing. If you want excitement, you have to stand on the edge, excitement is not created by quantity but by quality. I suggest you trust the author and let him develop the story, or develop your own story if you don't like this one. Compromises and trying to satisfy the audience usually lead to mediocrity, which has been seen a hundred times before. That's why I once again support the author, in the hope that he doesn't give up on his vision and continues the story as he imagined it.
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Obviously, with that pfp you would have this type of bad faith arguments
People don't want water and oil mixed up. If your story & characters are to be taken seriously no matter what loopholes, tag evasion and gaslighting you introduce, a love interest cannot be almost supernaturally loyal to the MC, to the point she doesn't mind sharing him with 10 other women, but also the town cum dump sucking hobo dick cheeze, secretly enjoying getting raped by ugly bastards and the token BBC at the click of a mouse, in an 'oPtIoNAl' route.NTR and Harem/Romance SHOULD NOT be in the same game. I hope I don't even have to get into the irl problem with making two games into one, when AVN takes forever to update as it is, so I repeat the important bit, a character cannot have two completely opposite personalities and behavior, unless you are making a play on mental illness, I guess.
People aren't saying every game has to be something they like, people are saying to pick a fucking lane and stick to it, its not a hard concept to grasp, if you aren't disingenuous about it.
He says that, as if cuck centric games are not the same low effort thing, over and over again. Two sides of the same coin, with harem you can at least try to head canon that you are at minimum courting the girls, trying to build stats, taking them on dates, while for NTR adjacent stuff to happen in AVNs, in 99.9% of games the LI have to suddenly become braided to fall for the one note villains of the story, blackmailing and sexually harassing them, when every person with more then two digit IQ can see that they are pieces of trash out to fuck their lives from their first 5 seconds the ntr character is on the screen.
It will be grand the day we get these 'emotionally mature' corner chair enjoyers to own the kinks they like, instead of mental gymnastics about immersion, excitement and 'realism' You like the things you like, because you like them, not because they are better than x and y, or you have the moral high ground on a topic.
Any kink that has to bend the entire game world and logic for it to happen is the same tier of quality, therefore everyone with any degree of analytical eye about story, characters and writing knows that Pure Harem, Cuck Shit, FMC Slut Simulators are all the same low effort fast food, you played one, you played all of them.
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As for the rest here, the park scene is just the prelude, never has a dev that went that route not proven the player's concerns right in the end. This will not be a game a Harem fan will ever like to invest money and/or years of their lives waiting for updates on their one route. Give it a rest!
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Fuck I cannot find it anymore, I was watching a thread of a NTR/NTS game where all the regular 'follow your vision, don't listen to the antis' crew spend like 5 updates of a game catering to them, telling the dev to not follow his vision and instead kept asking him to modify scenes, dialogue, details etc to fit what the fuck they wanted out of the scenes.
I wanted to jump in and make fun of them, but whats the point, you will never get this type of person to admit hypocrisy, but nevertheless it is funny how its always follow your vision, when the vision tends to move towards introducing the thing you like in mostly vanilla games and never the other way around.
I wanted to jump in and make fun of them, but whats the point, you will never get this type of person to admit hypocrisy, but nevertheless it is funny how its always follow your vision, when the vision tends to move towards introducing the thing you like in mostly vanilla games and never the other way around.
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I don't know what to say about this wall above me. I suggest the author give up and hire him to write scenarios, since the author is just a plain little cuckold and he is a wise alpha. Of course, since I am also delighted with what has been written, I will continue my support under the leadership of the wise commissioner. Together in a bright future, comrades.
Together in a bright future, comrades.
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Where does it say that? I looked on Patreon and found this list, which is also here in the first post:
Planned Tags
3DCG | Ren’Py | Animated | Male Protagonist | MILF | Romance | Mystery | Hypersexual Themes | Peeking/Secret Watching | Teasing | Intimate Scenes | Alternative Play | Slow Burn | Psychological Drama | Seduction | Harem | Exaggerated Expressions | Manipulation Themes | Temptation & Degradation | Group Play | Multiple Partners | and more…
I guess "MORE" could be NTR you can never be sure. If one of the rich cuckolds throws enough money in front of the author who knows?
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Thanks for the information, good luck to the dev, but this isn't for me.
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