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i hope the upcoming game is more like mirage’s defection rather than crypt’s rend. since it is a sequel to both, continuing the tone and structure of mirage’s defection would be way better. and i genuinely hope it follows the following things:

>no female protagonist
>should be played mainly from leo’s pov (just like in mirage’s defection)
>should have more luna scenes and second most scenes should go to the fmc from crypt’s rend
>other side characters (like kurone) are fine but the main focus should be on the main fmcs

it’s okay if there are moments from hayato’s pov too. but the main focus really should be on leo, luna, and the fmc from crypt's rend. they carried the story last time and it just makes sense to keep building on that. also i'm really hoping for choice based ntr like in both mirage’s defection & crypt's rend (both routes aka ntr and no ntr should be available again)

if the new one follows the same path, it’s gonna be something special. but if it drops all that and shifts in a different direction… it’d hurt a bit. especially after getting so invested in these characters. i really hope the dev doesn’t change what made this one so good
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i hope the upcoming game is more like mirage’s defection rather than crypt’s rend. since it is a sequel to both, continuing the tone and structure of mirage’s defection would be way better. and i genuinely hope it follows the following things:

>no female protagonist
>should be played mainly from leo’s pov (just like in mirage’s defection)
>should have more luna scenes and second most scenes should go to the fmc from crypt’s rend
>other side characters (like kurone) are fine but the main focus should be on the main fmcs

it’s okay if there are moments from hayato’s pov too. but the main focus really should be on leo, luna, and the fmc from crypt's rend. they carried the story last time and it just makes sense to keep building on that. also i'm really hoping for choice based ntr like in both mirage’s defection & crypt's rend (both routes aka ntr and no ntr should be available again)

if the new one follows the same path, it’s gonna be something special. but if it drops all that and shifts in a different direction… it’d hurt a bit. especially after getting so invested in these characters. i really hope the dev doesn’t change what made this one so good
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I think you'll be able to play with both Celia and Hayato, Luna should have very little content and the focus should be on Celia, her training and side jobs.
 
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archedio

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i hope the upcoming game is more like mirage’s defection rather than crypt’s rend. since it is a sequel to both, continuing the tone and structure of mirage’s defection would be way better. and i genuinely hope it follows the following things:

>no female protagonist
>should be played mainly from leo’s pov (just like in mirage’s defection)
>should have more luna scenes and second most scenes should go to the fmc from crypt’s rend
>other side characters (like kurone) are fine but the main focus should be on the main fmcs
Well, bad news, the dev already confirmed that the main protagonists in their next two games will both be female. I’ve got more details in my post here.
When in doubt, ask them directly. They sometimes answer questions on their Ci-en.
 

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Female Pov with a decent male counterpart is the way to go IMO, especially if we get some scenes with them being corrupted and not instantly going "oh, a hot girl, guess i'll throw my GF under the bus"
 

thederpamon

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I really hope they give Kotori a route or at least a greatly enhanced role in the next game. She's maybe *the most* my type out of any of the girls in the game and seeing her get basically sidelined and red herring'd instantly made me really sad.
 

Akser111

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Well, bad news, the dev already confirmed that the main protagonists in their next two games will both be female. I’ve got more details in my post here.
When in doubt, ask them directly. They sometimes answer questions on their Ci-en.
I think it won’t critically affect the plot. In Mirage, before most of the NTR events, the role was changed to Luna. If it’s the other way around, it’ll still feel about the same. Plus, we can expect some combat gameplay with Luna. I just hope it doesn’t get too boring.
 

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An almost perfect game spoiled by too much grind, too many recollections that seem to drag and empty time periods. Not sure why the dev felt there needed to be so much padding as there is quite a lot of content just too spaced out.

I felt the shower room peeking could have been used more often for example (too peek on various woman showering/masturbating, etc).
A lot more could have been done with the womens section and panties (like the knights sneaking in there to steal them and there being a whole side quest to find out the panty thief).
 

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An almost perfect game spoiled by too much grind, too many recollections that seem to drag and empty time periods. Not sure why the dev felt there needed to be so much padding as there is quite a lot of content just too spaced out.

I felt the shower room peeking could have been used more often for example (too peek on various woman showering/masturbating, etc).
A lot more could have been done with the womens section and panties (like the knights sneaking in there to steal them and there being a whole side quest to find out the panty thief).
It can't, because they are on rush with defending the sacred item. Yes there is lot of content that can be put on the story even if its just small or a glimpse events. But events like panty thief event? No, it will not fit. It will be different is it starts 30 or 40 days but 21 days? No.

But yeah, let's hope they add events like that in the next luna and leo game
 
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I wonder if hayato will be able to continue to stumble his way into having his cake and eating it too (seeing both celia and meryl secretly on the side) or if it will bite him in the ass eventually. same goes with leo and kurone though I'm less invested in that because kotori is obviously best girl and leo is just too blind to see it
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Talos64

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An almost perfect game spoiled by too much grind, too many recollections that seem to drag and empty time periods. Not sure why the dev felt there needed to be so much padding as there is quite a lot of content just too spaced out.

I felt the shower room peeking could have been used more often for example (too peek on various woman showering/masturbating, etc).
A lot more could have been done with the womens section and panties (like the knights sneaking in there to steal them and there being a whole side quest to find out the panty thief).
I get how you feel. I really enjoyed this game but replaying it to get scenes that I missed or to get different endings was a bit of a pain due to the many cutscenes. The first time around I didn't mind because I really liked the story, but when I already know what's going to happen and I just want to get to the sex scenes all the narrative stuff gets in the way. They should add a way to skip some of the longer cutscenes in future projects, or even some sections.

I also hope that in future games they continue to expand the gameplay loop and add more things, the improvements between Crypt and this one make me think that will be the case. Maybe a less linear experience with side-quests that unlock optional events or branching paths for certain interactions. I recently played Nebel Geisterjäger, another NTR game, and I feel like the gameplay loop would fit this series quite well. You have a daily schedule and an objective, but you can take your time to finish the game all while managing the heroine's stats so she doesn't get stolen.

I wonder if hayato will be able to continue to stumble his way into having his cake and eating it too (seeing both celia and meryl secretly on the side) or if it will bite him in the ass eventually. same goes with leo and kurone though I'm less invested in that because kotori is obviously best girl and leo is just too blind to see it
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The fact that both games consider the true ending the one where the male antagonist is defeated but the female antagonist is still seducing the male protagonist behind the heroine's back makes me think this series will end with all the male protagonists having a harem or something, which would be a nice change considering most NTR protagonists end up alone and misserable. This series should have a happy/feel good ending in my opinion. There is also a chance that those are the canonical endings in order to set up the sequels, make Luna and Celia find out about the cheating and that could be the catalyst for them being seduced/stolen. In Luna's case, she doesn't have a reason to cheat on Leo anymore and feeling betrayed/jealous would be a good excuse.
 
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I get how you feel. I really enjoyed this game but replaying it to get scenes that I missed or to get different endings was a bit of a pain due to the many cutscenes. The first time around I didn't mind because I really liked the story, but when I already know what's going to happen and I just want to get to the sex scenes all the narrative stuff gets in the way. They should add a way to skip some of the longer cutscenes in future projects, or even some sections.

I also hope that in future games they continue to expand the gameplay loop and add more things, the improvements between Crypt and this one make me think that will be the case. Maybe a less linear experience with side-quests that unlock optional events or branching paths for certain interactions. I recently played Nebel Geisterjäger, another NTR game, and I feel like the gameplay loop would fit this series quite well. You have a daily schedule and an objective, but you can take your time to finish the game all while managing the heroine's stats so she doesn't get stolen.


The fact that both games consider the true ending the one where the male antagonist is defeated but the female antagonist is still seducing the male protagonist behind the heroine's back makes me think this series will end with all the male protagonists having a harem or something, which would be a nice change considering most NTR protagonists end up alone and misserable. This series should have a happy/feel good ending in my opinion. There is also a chance that those are the canonical endings in order to set up the sequels, make Luna and Celia find out about the cheating and that could be the catalyst for them being seduced/stolen. In Luna's case, she doesn't have a reason to cheat on Leo anymore and feeling betrayed/jealous would be a good excuse.
Im of the exact opposite opinion but I respect yours. All the way around the vibe of both games in this series so far is very dark and not really happy go lucky. There are characters that help introduce that kind of mood like Kotori/Celia who add some quirky and fun vibes but overall with the general themes being demons lusting for humans and doing whatever they have to get what they want. The overall mood and vibe of both games is more dark. Even though characters like Kurone and Meryl are likeable and have moments of being good they mainly are just pretending to be good to manipulate and seduce there targets. Treachary and manipulation are very dark themes not to mention NTR. But obviously these are just our opinions. Im sure the pattern of endings will be very similar for all the games in the series.
 

Talos64

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Im of the exact opposite opinion but I respect yours. All the way around the vibe of both games in this series so far is very dark and not really happy go lucky. There are characters that help introduce that kind of mood like Kotori/Celia who add some quirky and fun vibes but overall with the general themes being demons lusting for humans and doing whatever they have to get what they want. The overall mood and vibe of both games is more dark. Even though characters like Kurone and Meryl are likeable and have moments of being good they mainly are just pretending to be good to manipulate and seduce there targets. Treachary and manipulation are very dark themes not to mention NTR. But obviously these are just our opinions. Im sure the pattern of endings will be very similar for all the games in the series.
I find your opinion about the series tone interesting. When I think of NTR games, usually the plot is fully focused on the NTR process and by the end the male protagonist is misserable and their life is ruined, with the heroine not doing much better. The thing I like about this series is the sense of hope, even if the NTR happens/begins to happen the characters can still fight back and recover from it. It's not a hopeless situation like it usually is in the genre and the NTR is used more as a conflict to be overcome that allows the characters to grow. The only example I can think of of a truly dark story in this series is Kurone's. She was captured and her hometown fell to the demon invasion because of a traitor. After that she spent who knows how long being held captive by Sadi until she was utterly broken, at which point she learned that her friends had died and lost all hope. Her story is extremely dark and sad, but I feel like it is used to show what you are fighting against, the worst case scenario. Even in Kurone's case there is hope however, one of the goals of Leo's team is to save her. They realised there is still some good in her, that she was using the lies to live the kind of life she actually wants, her friendship with Kotori was real and she treasured it. I am almost certain that by the end of this series Kurone will achieve her redemption. As for Meryl, I get the feeling that she will get a similar level of character development in future games. Maybe it's just me but during the flashback where she is told by Sadi to erase Kurone's memory she feels somewhat hesitant, almost remorseful. This last part is pure speculation so take it with a grain of salt, I'm sure the next game will make it clear what Meryl's role in the story will be.
 
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