still no sex scene..another dual family?
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MrBeanToasted
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The game is a slow burn for sure but the corruption route is definitely making actual progress with the last update having an overt sexual act. The romance route is a ways away but it doesnt really bother me. The big frustration from this game for me personally is the inclusion of the cousin character who seems to just eat up screen time when the real focus is the mother. As far as dual family territory is concerned the issue with that guy is that he would promise updates miss the deadline and then make a new deadline only to miss it again over and over. Lemonkey is moving slow but he is moving.
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I'm with you there. I have two playthroughs, one with corruption and one with romance. So whichever gets farther sooner doesn't matter to me. Romance is definitely slower, although I wonder about implications of corruption. I don't have any sense that Lemonkey is of this mindset at all, but I do still worry that the corruption might end up with what I would consider a bad ending. In Life with Mary, Babysitter, and other games like those, it's really easy to end up with an undesirable ending:
But after several months or years, we slowly drifted apart. She wanted to be more involved with a world without me in it: threesomes with men, to move away from me to pursue her career, and other things that intentionally excluded me from her life. Within a couple of years, we stopped seeing one another altogether and dropped each other's contact information. It was painful, but I knew it was for the best. We never would've worked out anyway.
That's an ending other people might like, but I don't want that ending here. So, while I'm continuing my corruption playthrough along side the romance one, I'm a bit nervous about things moving down that path.
I actually look at Liane as being important to connect the overall plot more directly to the MC and his mom. With what happened in this last release, it demonstrates the dad's involvement and even more of the desperation he has than was previously shown.
That's not to say that the story couldn't be told without her, but I do think it adds detail for immersion and another angle of connection with the MC and his mom. Having his cousin around gives some exchanges (like pancakes for breakfast on the way to the park) that don't only involve Liane and Diane, but also the MC's interactions with each of them, individually and together.
I would tend to agree with you. It's slow going, but I believe this one will get finished. I could always be wrong, but I think Lemonkey will complete the game.
Tbh, this game's first release seemed more like it was just going to be him bonding with Liane or his Mother in a way that one or the other will become his lover. As he would help Liane with some personal troubles or his Mother just becoming too close an intimate possibly maker see him as the love she always wanted. The parts about the dad seemed like it was originally just him having a petty persona in which the MC would confront him to strength her passion for him, as her Ex is a bad lover and this one is willing to do for her, what he failed to do, but it's now spiraling into a plot that wasn't originally sold with a mob and a vigilante. Almost so, that while the bonding is still present the side plot seems almost like an entirely different game being told within the game, which doesn't look too good with the fact it has slow updates and an overly complicated plot now. As it seems like Liane is no longer a love interest but a gateway to keep the MC on the side mob story/hero plot, and not helping Liane with her troubles. It honestly reminds me of Polarity when it introduces a villain into the story.
side note yeah that was the DF situation because they wanted to do all that extra crap and some how got away with about 2 years or so with no VN release.
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I was disappointed in that choice. Originally, I had three sets of saves, my playthroughs being: Liane Path, Mom's Corruption Path, and Mom's Romance Path. But when choices about Liane (such as whether to grope her at the party or not) stopped coming, I stopped playing that first set of saves. Should that ever get added (read, "shoehorned") back in again later (new scenes inserted, more choices with her added, etc.), I'll restart that route and see where it leads instead.
I do feel a bit disappointed with things between the MC and Carmilla. I would much rather have progress with Liane than she. We barely even know the gym owner by comparison, ever after working several weeks now. The way Liane and the MC behave around each other, there's clearly chemistry there. I'd much rather have that continue, but it's not my VN.
Well, we perceive things differently, but it doesn't feel this way to me at all. To me, it felt for the first several days like Richard has in the past had so much control over Diane that he was able just to threaten and she'd cave to his demands. The return of the MC changed that, because both courage and her maternal instinct kicked in. Suddenly threats over the phone stopped working. So he shows up to threaten in person. Then he shows up with several thugs and beats the MC up to increase the pressure on Diane. Up to that point, the escalation of pressure and violence felt very logical to me.
I can't say what plot was "originally sold", because I wasn't aware of the game then. But I can say that I still don't find a problem with the gangster plot so far. Richard's increasing aggression could easily be caused by desperation, and if that's true, there has to be some reason for becoming so desperate. His ultimate failure to find what he's seeking (and Mr. Toshi demands) could end up being the way to remove him from their lives permanently. It's not an overly complicated plot, but the structure of the curve seems solid.
I doubt anyone is rushing to get it uploaded here, it's not going to have anything ground breaking I'm sure
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Version 0.18.1 was sound redesign and some dialogue reworking. Since this is only 0.00.1 higher, I assume it's also a more minor release, like bug fixes or something. I doubt there's anything substantial in comparison to what we've already played.
There is usually a release sometime after which includes Audio and also any minor big fixes.
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True. IJS that's a minor release, not a major one. It depends on the developer of course, but typically a major release (like from v0.18 to v0.19) includes more content in terms of renders and story. Going from v0.18.1 to v0.18.2 is probably something much smaller, like what you've said. So getting the update probably won't do virtually anything unless you want to replay the whole thing (or, if you can tell where changes specifically are, certain parts).
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maybe not only rework, but also new content. just wait and hope.
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maybe not only rework, but also new content. just wait and hope.
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Ah, nice. Well, I'll look forward to that . . . maybe. "Clips" could mean many things. Notice that there aren't "scenes" or "images"; are "clips" animations that have been added finally? It would be worth loading save points and redoing some of what I've already played if there are decent animations. RN there aren't a lot (mom masturbating on the desk corner and on the couch at the new place; can't remember if there are any others).
Overly Complicated plot is when you just stack sub plot a bit too much and are all story lines to some degree instead of an incident. It doesn't mean you can't follow it or it doesn't make since it just means the main plot is losing focus.
Basically the VN is like this now
original Mom plot
original Liane plot
- add-on dad & mobster
- add-on to add-on Vigilante (possible fling since woman)
add-on boss fling
Basically the creator is adding different plots or paths that are taking away focus, sure it can enrich the story but it's going to drag it out more which is something this creator should not be doing given the slow release schedule, lack of sexual content, and to some interesting storytelling.
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"Overly complicated" can mean multiple things, and clearly I misunderstood what you meant. "It doesn't mean you can't follow it" — it actually does mean that, or I wouldn't have incorrectly interpreted your post. But it can also mean what you say, and so I partially agree.
Firstly, I don't have any problem with the plot of the dad and his "business" and its ties to a larger crime organization. I don't find that the addition of being evicted and Richard's involvement with powerful people he fears takes away from the primary story and themes at all. It is directly involved in severely damaging the lives of Diane and the MC.
It serves as a catalyst to increase intimacy more quickly between the MC and his mom, because by being forced to move away into much less comfortable circumstances, to me the situations for intimacy have the potential to be more believable. Sharing a bed because there literally isn't another bedroom creates more intimacy. Having no real privacy creates a greater likelihood of seeing each other in "less than modest" situations. The list of extreme and ridiculous porn tropes — "mom's sunbathing again" or "Mom, could you teach me some yoga?" — gets reduced a bit. They could still happen, but so far the mother-son moments have made more sense to me.
Now, I'm not saying that "mom's fighting with Richard and is having an emotional time of it" and "Liane's fighting with her mom and having a hard time of it" couldn't be sufficient for a solid story, but I don't find the Richard plot and his criminal ties an issue at all.
The vigilante woman was strange, and I'd rather not have yet another external force tugging at things. I agree that the potential extra of her involvement is unnecessary and a problem. The MC could have just as easily been outside Liane's door at a time nobody was around to hear him. Liane's chair was made of wood, so breakable; a broken chair doesn't keep a captive restrained very well. The MC then could've carried Liane out without bothering to unbind her. It's not like the hospital wouldn't have enough various implement lying around that something could've been found to free her once there.
I also agree about the boss fling, which felt completely out of nowhere. Having a job at the gym could've been more important in the main plot somehow. Perhaps, in searching for Diane, Richard might have eventually tracked the MC to the gym and then tried to force details about them out of Carmilla. And even if she's incredibly horny and put on a show for the MC, it feels off to have him hook up with her when clearly his heart is with his mom. This also feels like an unnecessary complication that should have been omitted. I imagine there was some Patreon poll or something and so the patrons won out, but I still think it should have been avoided.
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"7 New Clips"
...ok, but where? which route? are they buried midway or something? Because I just reloaded both of my saves down each route and they ended in the same place.
...ok, but where? which route? are they buried midway or something? Because I just reloaded both of my saves down each route and they ended in the same place.
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I think the same as you I don't know where those 7 New Clips are I played the 2 routes I don't see anything new in the end either
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