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we also see just how much the count hates werewolves
Dragomira does (or did?) as well.
She basically only does not kill them because she is a teacher at Silverleaf.


So everything the count has as an advantage dragomira has as well plus she has the benefit of a gorgeous sex bomb body and thus willing and eager allies on top of that.

The count has not a single absolutely sure ally we know of.
Not even his wife and daughter firmly are in his corner. The former is neither "in it for the love" nor the sexual gratification while the latter more or less openly hates him.
 

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If you had sex with Dermilla and go the femdom route with Dragomira, Dragomira says that Dermilla told her about her sexual encounter with the MC. I wonder if there will be scenes with the two of them together in the future. :sneaky:
 

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Sorry, should have been clearer.
You can TRY freeing yourself with strength.

It stands to reason that even with the beast form he is nowhere near strong enough to defeat and dominate dragomira.
As was said previously in this thread she is quite a few centuries old, one of the strongest vampires "alive" and personally was a werewolf hunter.
I think the MC would have a good chance of beating Dragomira in a fight. Dermilla, who is almost just as strong and experienced as Dragomira, was brought down by the MC's strength and determination.
 
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I think the MC would have a good chance of beating Dragomira in a fight. Dermilla, who is almost just as strong and experienced as Dragomira, was brought down by the MC's strength and determination.
Same thing there.
She apparently did not put up a fight because she wanted it.
If she wasn't in the mood for the beast for whatever reason she would have ripped MC's head clean off and there would be no chance in hell or other warm places he could have prevented that.

Keep in mind we are talking about a somewhat regular werewolf that discovered his powers a few weeks ago in the one and a vampire with the experience of multiple centuries in the other side of the ring.

That he was shown dominating two powerful vampires that could have ripped him in half without breaking a sweat is a source for false hope par excellence.

And btw. Dermilla is not as strong as Dragomira.
If that were the case she would rule the house as the count is not stronger than Dragomira ...
She is more powerful than her daughter, but that's a given since she has a few centuries of "life" experience on her.
 

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Same thing there.
She apparently did not put up a fight because she wanted it.
If she wasn't in the mood for the beast for whatever reason she would have ripped MC's head clean off and there would be no chance in hell or other warm places he could have prevented that.

Keep in mind we are talking about a somewhat regular werewolf that discovered his powers a few weeks ago in the one and a vampire with the experience of multiple centuries in the other side of the ring.

That he was shown dominating two powerful vampires that could have ripped him in half without breaking a sweat is a source for false hope par excellence.

And btw. Dermilla is not as strong as Dragomira.
If that were the case she would rule the house as the count is not stronger than Dragomira ...
She is more powerful than her daughter, but that's a given since she has a few centuries of "life" experience on her.
Right before she invites the half beast MC to have sex with her, she threatens to call her husband to get the MC off of her. The MC threatens to choke her to death if she does. If she were strong enough to take him on her own, why would she feel the need to call for help from her husband?
 

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Right before she invites the half beast MC to have sex with her, she threatens to call her husband to get the MC off of her. The MC threatens to choke her to death if she does. If she were strong enough to take him on her own, why would she feel the need to call for help from her husband?
Two reasons:

#1 She knows how terrifying the counts reputation is amongst werewolves, to give you a perspective it is to torture the wolf until he begs for death ...
#2 To basically incite MC so he "fucks her like he hates her" i.e. is willing to go hard


As said, she is not powerless but far less powerful than dragomira.
If one of those women were serious about not wanting MC he'd just straight die.

If we would be talking about a werewolf that has lived several years, is sufficiently trained and able to transform into a great wolf it would be a different matter.
But the MC is not even close to be able to beat his werewolf teacher, let alone a powerful vampire.
 
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Two reasons:

#1 She knows how terrifying the counts reputation is amongst werewolves, to give you a perspective it is to torture the wolf until he begs for death ...
#2 To basically incite MC so he "fucks her like he hates her" i.e. is willing to go hard


As said, she is not powerless but far less powerful than dragomira.
If one of those women were serious about not wanting MC he'd just straight die.

If we would be talking about a werewolf that has lived several years, is sufficiently trained and able to transform into a great wolf it would be a different matter.
But the MC is not even close to be able to beat his werewolf teacher, let alone a powerful vampire.
You make good points. I just hope that we will eventually get to see a werewolf fight vampire in the game eventually. I want to see what the MC is really capable of once and for all. Personally, I would like to see him fight and beat Count Orlok. Get that racist limp dick excuse for a vampire out of the picture once and for all. As you pointed out, it will be much easier said than done. But it would be fun to watch him try. :cool:
 

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You make good points. I just hope that we will eventually get to see a werewolf fight vampire in the game eventually. I want to see what the MC is really capable of once and for all. Personally, I would like to see him fight and beat Count Orlok. Get that racist limp dick excuse for a vampire out of the picture once and for all. As you pointed out, it will be much easier said than done. But it would be fun to watch him try. :cool:
If someone or something (magically?) incites the professional simp also known as Kyle to fight MC you might get what you wish for. I'd recon that even that would have MC at a power disadvantage - but Kyle has a brain disadvantage so that evens out ...

A fight MC with Count Limp Dick might happen when MC unlocks the Great Wolf.
But prior to that?
Realistically no.
It might be fun to you, but it definitely is not for MC ...
 

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If someone or something (magically?) incites the professional simp also known as Kyle to fight MC you might get what you wish for. I'd recon that even that would have MC at a power disadvantage - but Kyle has a brain disadvantage so that evens out ...

A fight MC with Count Limp Dick might happen when MC unlocks the Great Wolf.
But prior to that?
Realistically no.
It might be fun to you, but it definitely is not for
If someone or something (magically?) incites the professional simp also known as Kyle to fight MC you might get what you wish for. I'd recon that even that would have MC at a power disadvantage - but Kyle has a brain disadvantage so that evens out ...

A fight MC with Count Limp Dick might happen when MC unlocks the Great Wolf.
But prior to that?
Realistically no.
It might be fun to you, but it definitely is not for MC ...
I'll take either of those scenarios :cool:. Come to think of it, the MC can have sex with Dermilla as a werewolf, and the count just watches it happen. Knowing how much Count Limp Dick hates werewolves, how can he watch his wife getting screwed by a werewolf and do nothing about it?
 

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I'll take either of those scenarios :cool:. Come to think of it, the MC can have sex with Dermilla as a werewolf, and the count just watches it happen. Knowing how much Count Limp Dick hates werewolves, how can he watch his wife getting screwed by a werewolf and do nothing about it?
He is transformed into a bat.
As such he is ... well blind as a bat.
He follows the sound of sex and is present, but at most he saw moving undefined things in his view and heard the pleasure screams of his wife.
 

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He is transformed into a bat.
As such he is ... well blind as a bat.
He follows the sound of sex and is present, but at most he saw moving undefined things in his view and heard the pleasure screams of his wife.
If that's the case then he sucks at voyeurism. I'm no expert, but I'm pretty sure that to enjoy voyeurism, you have to, oh I don't know, BE ABLE TO ACTUALLY SEE IT PROPERLY! I guess he must be deaf too. Because I'm pretty sure the MC made some beast growl sounds during sex. Guess he must have missed those. :rolleyes::LOL:
 

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If you follow Dragomira and "let her have her way" at one point the MC can decide to
#1 Let him be dominated
#2 Use strength (if learned before) to break free
#3 Unleash the beast and in turn dominate her

(At the time at least) she is not openly submissive but judging from the relationship gain after she liked that.
Yeah, though the relationship points gain (in the meter of her character) is a lot less than the femdom path, and Dragomira's opinion of the MC is less favorable than had he let her femdom him.

Makes me wonder whether the maledom path will be going through a huge catchup down the line to get up to femdom level of stats and affection. :unsure:
 

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If that's the case then he sucks at voyeurism. I'm no expert, but I'm pretty sure that to enjoy voyeurism, you have to, oh I don't know, BE ABLE TO ACTUALLY SEE IT PROPERLY! I guess he must be deaf too. Because I'm pretty sure the MC made some beast growl sounds during sex. Guess he must have missed those. :rolleyes::LOL:
Well ... you apparently were not present at hard sex before.
Guttural and beastly sounds are not that uncommon. He apparently knows that his wife likes to be pounded, meaning he expected these sounds to begin with.

Now if MC had howled during sex it would be a different case ...

And yes.
A voyeur that can't see kind of defeats the purpose.
Remember that bats hear exceptionally well, though. In that form he likely could benefit from the bats trademark ability i.e. he basically was able to "see" the sound waves, but could not make out clear (for instance facial) details.

At the same time that was done that way for story purposes.
It established that
#1 Vampires don't care about extramarital sex
#2 Count Limp Dick is impotent
#3 Count Limp Dick likes to "watch"
#4 Count Limp Dick hates werewolves with a passion
 

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Well ... you apparently were not present at hard sex before.
Guttural and beastly sounds are not that uncommon. He apparently knows that his wife likes to be pounded, meaning he expected these sounds to begin with.

Now if MC had howled during sex it would be a different case ...

And yes.
A voyeur that can't see kind of defeats the purpose.
Remember that bats hear exceptionally well, though. In that form he likely could benefit from the bats trademark ability i.e. he basically was able to "see" the sound waves, but could not make out clear (for instance facial) details.

At the same time that was done that way for story purposes.
It established that
#1 Vampires don't care about extramarital sex
#2 Count Limp Dick is impotent
#3 Count Limp Dick likes to "watch"
#4 Count Limp Dick hates werewolves with a passion
Believe me I'm "acquainted" with the realities of hard sex :sneaky:. The sounds were always gutteral, intense, and yes even somewhat dog like. But even at their most dog like, they never sounded like rabid dogs chewing raw meat off the bone. And I'm pretty sure that's how the MC sounded one or two times during sex with Dermilla.
 

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Believe me I'm "acquainted" with the realities of hard sex :sneaky:. The sounds were always gutteral, intense, and yes even somewhat dog like. But even at their most dog like, they never sounded like rabid dogs chewing raw meat off the bone. And I'm pretty sure that's how the MC sounded one or two times during sex with Dermilla.
In all honesty, the main reason I want to take down Count Limp Dick is because I want to take his wife. Also I know he will never approve of his daughter dating and/or marrying a werewolf. The MC pretending to be a vampire might work for awhile, but inevitably the truth will come out. The only chance the MC has of having a future with Rachel (and her mom), is by taking out Count Limp Dick.
 

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You make good points. I just hope that we will eventually get to see a werewolf fight vampire in the game eventually. I want to see what the MC is really capable of once and for all. Personally, I would like to see him fight and beat Count Orlok. Get that racist limp dick excuse for a vampire out of the picture once and for all. As you pointed out, it will be much easier said than done. But it would be fun to watch him try. :cool:
Well, I don't know how Dev thought of doing it, but in my games of Vampire and Werewolf I have seen more than one fight between a Cliath (the lowest rank of werewolves) and an Ancillae (a vampire of about 200 to 300 years) and things tend to go very badly for vampires. In reality, intelligent gangrel tend to escape as fast as they can and merge with the earth whenever they have the chance. An Assamite or a Brujah armed with a sword has some chance of winning, without a sharp weapon or some silver it's like trying to knock down a mountain with your fists. The rest of the clans are usually not good enough in combat to have any chance in a fight with a Werewolf, unless they have the opportunity to use disciplines that are not expressly designed for combat. I've seen used pressence to temporarily stop the werewolf and have a chance to scape, and some thaumaturgy paths can be remarkably effective in combat (like Creo Ignem, starting at 3rd level you can throw a fireball powerful enough to stop the werewolf, although then you have to escape from the fire you have caused, but a Tremere will always consider that the best way to confront a Werewolf is to have another fight the Werewolf.)
 
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Well, I don't know how Dev thought of doing it, but in my games of Vampire and Werewolf I have seen more than one fight between a Cliath (the lowest rank of werewolves) and an Ancillae (a vampire of about 200 to 300 years) and things tend to go very badly for vampires. In reality, intelligent gangrel tend to escape as fast as they can and merge with the earth whenever they have the chance. An Assamite or a Brujah armed with a sword has some chance of winning, without a sharp weapon or some silver it's like trying to knock down a mountain with your fists. The rest of the clans are usually not good enough in combat to have any chance in a fight with a Werewolf, unless they have the opportunity to use disciplines that are not expressly designed for combat. I've seen used pressence to temporarily stop the werewolf and have a chance to scape, and some thaumaturgy paths can be remarkably effective in combat (like Creo Ignem, starting at 3rd level you can throw a fireball powerful enough to stop the werewolf, although then you have to escape from the fire you have caused, but a Tremere will always consider that the best way to confront a Werewolf is to have another fight the Werewolf.)
You are talking about the masquerade line of games.
In that line of games werewolves are extremely overpowered and more like a villainous endboss than a somewhat balanced adversary.
In addition vampires are portrayed as relatively squishy and fragile. Even mere humans pose somewhat of a threat.
With this portrayal that series, which includes a Pen&Paper RPG which you are likely referring to, is more or less an outlier and not the "standard" in that regard.

The backstory of Dragomira for instance is that she was a professional werewolf hunter and has singlehandedly wiped out werewolf clans for multiple centuries.

That alone should clue you in that this game is not set in the masquerade world ...


The "Bog Standard" is relatively akin to the portrayal in the underworld movies.
Werewolves and Vampires of comparable rank are relatively close in combat prowess.


Here the MC is of slightly higher than the absolutely lowest rank werewolf since he discovered his gift a few weeks ago i.e. is neither old nor trained enough for higher ranks and dragomira is not necessarily the strongest vampire "alive" but close to the highest rank of vampire.
Honestly not even an earnest competition.
 
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You are talking about the masquerade line of games.
In that line of games werewolves are extremely overpowered and more like a villainous endboss than a somewhat balanced adversary.
In addition vampires are portrayed as relatively squishy and fragile. Even mere humans pose somewhat of a threat.
With this portrayal that series, which includes a Pen&Paper RPG which you are likely referring to, is more or less an outlier and not the "standard" in that regard.

The backstory of Dragomira for instance is that she was a professional werewolf hunter and has singlehandedly wiped out werewolf clans for multiple centuries.

That alone should clue you in that this game is not set in the masquerade world ...


The "Bog Standard" is relatively akin to the portrayal in the underworld movies.
Werewolves and Vampires of comparable rank are relatively close in combat prowess.


Here the MC is of slightly higher than the absolutely lowest rank werewolf since he discovered his gift a few weeks ago i.e. is neither old nor trained enough for higher ranks and dragomira is not necessarily the strongest vampire "alive" but close to the highest rank of vampire.
Honestly not even an earnest competition.
to be fair, we also don't know if MC has even reached their peak form since werewolves that are considered leaders of a pack tend to be the strongest and I have a feeling that adding the Great Wolf ability to that would possibly put them on equal footing with older vampires
 
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